# Positive Gun News of the Day **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [October 22, 2015, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490 "2015-10-22T22:57:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 67
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2018, 10:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1321 "2018-05-12T10:19:37Z")
[Oklahoma governor vetoes gun carry bill in defeat for NRA](https://www.yahoo.com/news/oklahoma-gop-gov-mary-fallin-vetoes-no-permit-231010686.html) > [@](#): > > Oklahoma’s Republican Gov. Mary Fallin vetoed a bill late Friday that would have authorized adults to carry firearms without a permit or training, dealing a rare defeat to the National Rifle Association in a conservative state. > > The veto comes after opposition from the business community and law enforcement authorities, including top officials with the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation who have said it could erode public safety. ---
**Author:** ![Orwell](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/dfb087/32.png) [@Orwell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Orwell)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2018, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1322 "2018-05-25T15:50:16Z")
[Gunman killed by armed bystander after injuring 2 in Oklahoma City restaurant shooting](https://wgntv-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/wgntv.com/2018/05/24/2-injured-after-shooting-at-oklahoma-city-restaurant-suspect-fatally-shot/amp/?_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQCCAE%3D&_js_v=0.1#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&share=http%3A%2F%2Fwgntv.com%2F2018%2F05%2F24%2F2-injured-after-shooting-at-oklahoma-city-restaurant-suspect-fatally-shot%2F) > [@](#): > > A bystander shot and killed an armed man who walked into an Oklahoma City restaurant and began shooting Thursday evening, according to police. > > The incident happened at Louie’s Grill & Bar, located along the shore of Lake Hefner, police said. > > Two people were shot and one was injured while running from the scene, according to KFOR. The two who suffered gunshot wounds have been taken to the hospital with “serious injuries” but are expected to survive, police said. > > When the suspect walked outside, “a bystander with a pistol” confronted him and fatally shot him, police tweeted. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2018, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1323 "2018-05-25T15:54:41Z")
Louie’s Grill & Bar?? WTF? It’s supposed to be Bar & Grill. Everyone knows that. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2018, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1324 "2018-05-25T17:38:14Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > Louie’s Grill & Bar?? > > WTF? It’s supposed to be Bar & Grill. Everyone knows that. Oklahoma, they talk funny next door. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2018, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1325 "2018-05-25T17:42:39Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Oklahoma, they talk funny next door. “bar & grill” 49 million hits on Google. “grill & bar” 12 million hits on Google. I thought it would be waaay more of a difference. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2018, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1326 "2018-05-25T17:53:20Z")
> [@Orwell](#): > > [Gunman killed by armed bystander after injuring 2 in Oklahoma City restaurant shooting](https://wgntv-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/wgntv.com/2018/05/24/2-injured-after-shooting-at-oklahoma-city-restaurant-suspect-fatally-shot/amp/?_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQCCAE%3D&_js_v=0.1#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&share=http%3A%2F%2Fwgntv.com%2F2018%2F05%2F24%2F2-injured-after-shooting-at-oklahoma-city-restaurant-suspect-fatally-shot%2F) > > > [@](#): > > > > … > > When the suspect walked outside, “a bystander with a pistol” confronted him and fatally shot him, police tweeted. So it was not a DGU because the shooter was already done and leaving the scene, AFAWCT. ---
**Author:** ![Orwell](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/dfb087/32.png) [@Orwell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Orwell)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2018, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1327 "2018-05-25T18:02:58Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > So it was not a DGU because the shooter was already done and leaving the scene, AFAWCT. You’re certain that his mayhem was finished? And you’re certain he didn’t make a threatening move toward anyone as he left the restaurant? ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2018, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1328 "2018-05-25T18:24:57Z")
> [@Orwell](#): > > You’re certain that his mayhem was finished? And you’re certain he didn’t make a threatening move toward anyone as he left the restaurant? No, I am not certain about anything. Details are absent and there will probably be little else written about this story. But it is not obvious that this should be called a DGU by default (“the bystander confronted the gunman”, not the opposite), or that it even qualifies as “Positive Gun News”, since the gunman was killed, making police investigation somewhat more difficult. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2018, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1329 "2018-05-25T18:26:33Z")
The bad guy was firing at people as they ran away? ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2018, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1330 "2018-05-25T18:51:53Z")
> [@Orwell](#): > > You’re certain that his mayhem was finished? And you’re certain he didn’t make a threatening move toward anyone as he left the restaurant? If he made a threatening move towards anyone as he left the restaurant, it still wouldn’t be a DGU, as he was not stopped until after he had left the restaurant. If he had made a threat to someone, then he would have simply carried it out, as he did the other people that he shot. ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2018, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1331 "2018-05-25T21:08:18Z")
The father of one of the people shot [seems to think this qualifies as positive](https://www.facebook.com/jabari.giles/posts/10215654488052719). ---
**Author:** ![GusNSpot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gusnspot/32/436_2.png) [@GusNSpot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GusNSpot)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2018, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1332 "2018-05-25T21:21:29Z")
:smack: Walk a mile in the shoes and all that. A bad guy down is a good thing no matter how you put letters on the event. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2018, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1333 "2018-05-25T22:53:37Z")
How do we know the guy who shot two guys at the bar wasn’t a good guy with a gun using his gun defensively against two bad guys, and then when he left the bar he was shot and killed by a bad guy with a gun? There does seem to be a rush to anoint the survivors as the good guys. Dead men tell no tales. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2018, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1334 "2018-05-25T22:58:35Z")
No, as long as we call the dead one “the bad guy”, we can dust of our hands and call it a day. Why make things complicated? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2018, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1335 "2018-05-26T01:28:58Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > How do we know the guy who shot two guys at the bar wasn’t a good guy with a gun using his gun defensively against two bad guys, and then when he left the bar he was shot and killed by a bad guy with a gun? > > There does seem to be a rush to anoint the survivors as the good guys. Dead men tell no tales. I wondered about that. The bad guy reportedly shot at people running away. I think the police will figure that out. They don’t like citizens carrying guns around and shooting people. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2018, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1336 "2018-05-26T18:26:51Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > No, I am not certain about anything. Details are absent and there will probably be little else written about this story. But it is not obvious that this should be called a DGU by default (“the bystander confronted the gunman”, not the opposite), or that it even qualifies as “Positive Gun News”, since the gunman was killed, making police investigation somewhat more difficult. > [@](#): > > Not one, but two men ran to their respective cars to grab their guns when a shooter opened fire at an Oklahoma City restaurant Thursday. > > Police Capt. Bo Matthews said today that both of those men shot suspect Alexander C. Tilghman on Thursday. Tilghman died as a result of those gunshots. > > … > > Immediately after the shooting, Matthews told the media that a single civilian shot the suspect, but upon further investigation, it was determined that two men both shot the suspect. The two men who shot Tilghman “were not carrying their firearms on them, they [their firearms] were in their vehicles,” Matthews said today. > > When asked what he would call Nazario and Whittle, Matthew described them as “two people that stopped a very tragic situation from going any further.” > > During the news conference today, Matthews wouldn’t directly call them “heroes” but said that it was “a great terminology” for the media to use. > > “You can say they’re heroes, which is a very good thing to say,” Matthews said. [Sounds like the two bystanders did a bang up job.](https://www.yahoo.com/gma/civilian-shoots-kills-suspect-opened-fire-oklahoma-city-100100575--abc-news-topstories.html) ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2018, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1337 "2018-05-26T18:38:00Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > [Sounds like the two bystanders did a bang up job.](https://www.yahoo.com/gma/civilian-shoots-kills-suspect-opened-fire-oklahoma-city-100100575--abc-news-topstories.html) I have a fear of someone who doesn’t know what they are doing shooting bystanders in that kind of situation. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2018, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1338 "2018-05-26T19:43:12Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > I have a fear of someone who doesn’t know what they are doing shooting bystanders in that kind of situation. ISTR an incident where a hero wrestled a gun away from a bad guy just as the police were arriving and got shot for his efforts because the police saw that he was the guy with the gun. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2018, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1339 "2018-05-26T19:55:23Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > ISTR an incident where a hero wrestled a gun away from a bad guy just as the police were arriving and got shot for his efforts because the police saw that he was the guy with the gun. I read of a Black guy who took a rifle away from a guy during a robbery, and he threw it over the counter. He was a prime candidate to be shot by the police. ---
**Author:** ![Anglachel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Anglachel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anglachel)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2018, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1340 "2018-05-26T20:20:36Z")
For those too busy to click links, the shooter injured two teenage girls and an adult. It was apparently random and the attacker was definitely mentally ill. The armed citizens who shot him had an easy job identifying him as he was carrying the weapon openly and had on eye and ear protection commonly used at gun ranges. Both of them went to vehicles to retrieve their firearms and went to confront the shooter. Reportedly, they first tried to convince him to drop his weapon before shooting him. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490.md?page=66) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490.md?page=68)