# Positive Gun News of the Day **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [October 22, 2015, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490 "2015-10-22T22:57:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 70
**Author:** ![CookingWithGas](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cookingwithgas/32/485_2.png) [@CookingWithGas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CookingWithGas)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2018, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1381 "2018-05-31T00:44:45Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > **doorhinge** has a habit of deleting the parts of a quote that he is not replying to and putting “[post shortened]” under it like that. Thank you. Back in the old days we would just -----8\<------- snip. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2018, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1382 "2018-05-31T14:37:18Z")
[One gang member killed and two others wounded.](https://nypost.com/2018/05/23/gang-related-shooting-leaves-teen-dead-two-injured-cops/) One less gang member in the area, and two that might think twice about gang activity. Hopefully, this will act as a deterrent to keep other people from joining a gang. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2018, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1383 "2018-05-31T15:01:59Z")
[This](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/teen-clerk-abducted-killed/) is an old one, I believe in 2005, but my wife and I saw it on _See No Evil_, a true crime show that highlights CCTV footage. Johnny Williams kidnapped, raped, and murdered a cashier at Wal-Mart and stole her truck. He headed west, attempted to rob a store in an RV park, and the clerk shot and wounded him. Williams was later arrested in the hospital where he sought treatment. So, DGU with injuries to the perp. And also leading to the arrest and conviction of a murderous criminal. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2018, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1384 "2018-05-31T15:29:54Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > [This](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/teen-clerk-abducted-killed/) is an old one, I believe in 2005, but my wife and I saw it on _See No Evil_, a true crime show that highlights CCTV footage. > > Johnny Williams kidnapped, raped, and murdered a cashier at Wal-Mart and stole her truck. He headed west, attempted to rob a store in an RV park, and the clerk shot and wounded him. Williams was later arrested in the hospital where he sought treatment. > > So, DGU with injuries to the perp. And also leading to the arrest and conviction of a murderous criminal. Is there any way to find out if the event happened as reenacted for dramatic purposes on this entertainment program? edited to add: Withdrawn-did not notice the link at the beginning of the post. ---
**Author:** ![CookingWithGas](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cookingwithgas/32/485_2.png) [@CookingWithGas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CookingWithGas)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2018, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1385 "2018-05-31T15:41:54Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > [One gang member killed and two others wounded.](https://nypost.com/2018/05/23/gang-related-shooting-leaves-teen-dead-two-injured-cops/) > > One less gang member in the area, and two that might think twice about gang activity. > > Hopefully, this will act as a deterrent to keep other people from joining a gang. Trying to find the “positive” news here. Not clear from the article who was in a gang, or whether all three were. It also says nothing _at all_ about the shooter except to refer once to a “gunman.” Police say the shooting was “gang related” which may be true but is rather thin analysis. Unfortunately incidents like this tend not to deter gang members, but rather lead to an endless cycle of revenge killings. ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2018, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1386 "2018-05-31T16:21:59Z")
Gang members are a renewable resource. There are always more willing to take their place, and there is zero evidence that gang violence is a deterrent, nor that gun control has an effect on gang violence. Making their neighborhoods less shitty so that they have more opportunities besides the drug and sex trades appears to be the main, solvable solution. Unless a civilian has saved lives in legal SD I see no DGU. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2018, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1387 "2018-05-31T18:28:31Z")
> [@thelurkinghorror](#): > > Gang members are a renewable resource. There are always more willing to take their place, and there is zero evidence that gang violence is a deterrent, nor that gun control has an effect on gang violence. Making their neighborhoods less shitty so that they have more opportunities besides the drug and sex trades appears to be the main, solvable solution. Unless a civilian has saved lives in legal SD I see no DGU. Luckily, I read the OP, which stated “people can add their own positive news items relating to firearms”. There doesn’t have to be a civilian DGU story. Just a positive news story. Gang members being killed is positive, isn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2018, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1388 "2018-05-31T18:35:24Z")
This thread is packed with examples of people using a gun to stop a crime or save lives. This recent article gives 12 examples with links to the original news article. Most of these examples weren’t lethal encounters. > **[Self-Defense: 12 Cases Where Americans With Guns Saved the Day](https://www.dailysignal.com/2018/03/29/12-times-guns-saved-lives/)** > > What the media doesn't talk about so much is how often guns in the right hands save the day. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2018, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1389 "2018-05-31T18:42:07Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Gang members being killed is positive, isn’t it? I would say so, although I understand how many would think that any life lost, no matter whose, is tragic. From experience I believe some crooks will be crooks no matter what, and it is better that they lose their lives than they take the life of someone else. ---
**Author:** ![CookingWithGas](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cookingwithgas/32/485_2.png) [@CookingWithGas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CookingWithGas)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2018, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1390 "2018-05-31T19:10:49Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Luckily, I read the OP, which stated “people can add their own positive news items relating to firearms”. There doesn’t have to be a civilian DGU story. Just a positive news story. Gang members being killed is positive, isn’t it? Gang violence of any kind is never good news. That a gang member was killed during gang violence does not make it any better. I think the spirit of the thread is to show events where guns were used by law-abiding citizens for an outcome that is positive for law-abiding citizens. Examples of criminals killing each other with guns doesn’t make the point. ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2018, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1391 "2018-05-31T20:33:32Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Gang members being killed is positive, isn’t it? Somehow I don’t think your statement is really looking for an answer. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2018, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1392 "2018-05-31T20:48:03Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Gang members being killed is positive, isn’t it? Abraham Lincoln in his late teens was a soldier in the East Side Maulers, a violent street gang of the time. It is speculated that he _may_ have slit the throat of Dolly Madison’s (of snack cake fame) niece. Lincoln went on to be elected president and currently graces our five dollar bill. ETA: and the penny as well. The only man ever to be portrayed on pennies and fives. #themoreyouknow /history lesson ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2018, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1393 "2018-05-31T21:34:47Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > I would say so, although I understand how many would think that any life lost, no matter whose, is tragic. From experience I believe some crooks will be crooks no matter what, and it is better that they lose their lives than they take the life of someone else. I agree. With the statement “some crooks will be crooks no matter what”, with the emphasis on “some”. The problem is, you never know which crooks will be crook no matter what, until you give them realistic better options. It is a waste for someone who was born into a situation where they are highly likely to engage in crime then engages in crime, and is never given a chance to try something else before being killed for doing what they were set up from birth to do. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2018, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1394 "2018-06-01T14:29:02Z")
> [@CookingWithGas](#): > > Gang violence of any kind is never good news. That a gang member was killed during gang violence does not make it any better. I think the spirit of the thread is to show events where guns were used by law-abiding citizens for an outcome that is positive for law-abiding citizens. Examples of criminals killing each other with guns doesn’t make the point. I don’t think a gun-owner chasing a guy down to shoot him again is positive either. But we were warned not to make those types of judgements. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2018, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1395 "2018-06-01T15:53:08Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > Abraham Lincoln in his late teens was a soldier in the East Side Maulers, a violent street gang of the time. It is speculated that he _may_ have slit the throat of Dolly Madison’s (of snack cake fame) niece. Lincoln went on to be elected president and currently graces our five dollar bill. > > ETA: and the penny as well. The only man ever to be portrayed on pennies and fives. #themoreyouknow > > /history lesson If I haven’t been whooshed - cite? Lincoln won a wrestling match with a local leader of a sort of gang, but that is not really the same thing. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2018, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1396 "2018-06-01T15:55:04Z")
In other news, [Alleged burglar shot at by local business owner](http://www.kget.com/news/local-news/alleged-burglar-shot-at-by-local-business-owner/1173684815) > [@](#): > > Peter Marquez, 48, was arrested Thursday in the 1800 block of South Chester Avenue in South Bakersfield. A deputy in the area for an unrelated reason heard a gunshot around 8:10 p.m., and investigated, finding Marquez, who was wearing a face mask, KCSO said. > > Marquez is accused of breaking into a business in the area. The business owner was in the building when Marquez allegedly broke in, and fired a single shot, according to KCSO. No one was wounded. DGU with no injuries. Not very wise to keep the mask on after fleeing the scene. Then again, engaging in criminal activity isn’t very wise either. * * * In other news, [Suspected robber shot and killed by victim with concealed carry weapon](http://www.wcjb.com/content/news/Suspected-robber-shot-and-killed-by-robbery-victim-with-concealed-carry-weapon-482087591.html) > [@](#): > > Officers say the victim was coming home from a movie theater with family members, and while they were parked Arkeem Bennett approached them with a handgun in an attempt to rob them. > > The victim who holds a concealed carry permit took out his gun and shot at Arkeem in self-defense, one of the bullets struck Arkeem but he was able to get away in his car with another person driving. > > According to Detective Goeckel The victim informed 911 about the incident, and they later found Bennett dead. > … > His mother says he didn’t deserve to be killed. DGU with 1 death. Even in a parked car the victim was able to draw and fire avoiding any injuries to himself or his family. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2018, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1397 "2018-06-01T16:08:58Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > If I haven’t been whooshed - cite? > > Lincoln won a wrestling match with a local leader of a sort of gang, but that is not really the same thing. > > Regards, > Shodan Do you have a penny? Can you ask someone to show you a five? I promise you; same, same. ETA: From Wikipedia (I know): > [@](#): > > Abraham Lincoln (February 12, 1809 – April 15, 1865) was an American statesman and lawyer who served as the 16th President of the United States from March 1861 until his assassination in April 1865. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2018, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1398 "2018-06-01T16:52:44Z")
If I may inquire without offense, WTF are you talking about? On preview - never mind. I am afraid if you explain it, I will understand it, and then I would be tempted to make a DGU against the voices in my head, and someone could get hurt. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2018, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1399 "2018-06-01T16:58:09Z")
Yeah, I thought it was common knowledge that Lincoln was on the penny and the $5 bill. And that he was the 16th President. I can’t understand what the confusion is about. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2018, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1400 "2018-06-01T23:00:49Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > There doesn’t have to be a civilian DGU story. Just a positive news story. Gang members being killed is positive, isn’t it? We are not allowed to discuss why someone would think so. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490.md?page=69) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490.md?page=71)