# Positive Gun News of the Day

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490>\
**Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\
**Created:** [October 22, 2015, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490 "2015-10-22T22:57:05Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![Orwell](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/dfb087/32.png) [@Orwell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Orwell)\
**Post date:** [June 2, 2018, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1401 "2018-06-02T01:22:55Z")

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> [@ElvisL1ves](#):
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> We are not allowed to discuss why someone would think so.

No, you’re not allowed to thread-shit. There’s a difference, believe it or not.

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**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\
**Post date:** [June 2, 2018, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1402 "2018-06-02T12:23:51Z")

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If you’re not interested in discussing why gun news is positive in a thread about Positive Gun News, it hardly means that anyone else is thread-shitting.

But, if it’s only about posting anecdotes from some source somewhere, for whatever reason that may be, then no wonder it’s in the Mundane and Pointless forum, instead of one where they and the reasons for judging them Positive or not can be subjected to any sort of scrutiny.

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**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\
**Post date:** [June 4, 2018, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1403 "2018-06-04T00:40:26Z")

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Man threatens three sheriff’s deputies with a hammer. Since he was white, they keep their guns holstered and one of them subdues him by [hucking cans of baked beans at him.](https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=CzeAT_1528012962) No shots fired.

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**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\
**Post date:** [June 4, 2018, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1404 "2018-06-04T13:08:31Z")

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That link clearly belongs in the “Positive Can of Baked Beans News of the Day” thread.

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**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\
**Post date:** [June 4, 2018, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1405 "2018-06-04T16:09:25Z")

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In other news, [Jack in the Box shooter feared for his safety, says he shot in self defense](https://www.bendbulletin.com/localstate/6243505-151/jack-in-the-box-shooter-faced-knife-wielding-man)

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> Bend Police say Robert Joseph Garris, 39, shot Christopher Michael Nolan, 39, “multiple times” outside the Jack in the Box at 805 NE Third St. Nolan had allegedly pulled out a knife at about 9:38 p.m. and approached Garris, who was staying at a nearby motel, police said.  
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> Garris said Nolan approached him acting aggressively and wielding a large hunting knife. Nolan was with another man, said Garris, who added that he did not know either individual. Garris said he warned the men several times before firing.  
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> Nolan has a criminal record in Oregon dating to 1999, including numerous felony convictions for drugs, theft and assault. He was arrested in 2015 in Bend after challenging three police officers to kill him while he wielded a large knife. He reportedly began cutting his wrists and neck as he ran away.

DGU with no deaths. Bringing a knife to a gunfight typically goes poorly for the knife wielder, and in this case it certainly seems that the attacker wasn’t acting rationally.

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**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\
**Post date:** [June 6, 2018, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1406 "2018-06-06T18:56:06Z")

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> [@Fear\_Itself](#):
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> Man threatens three sheriff’s deputies with a hammer. Since he was white, they keep their guns holstered and one of them subdues him by [hucking cans of baked beans at him.](https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=CzeAT_1528012962) No shots fired.

In similar news, a man stops a woman from stabbing his wife by [squirting ketchup on the attacker](http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/06/06/husband-stops-wifes-stabbing-attack-by-squirting-ketchup-on-knife-wielding-woman-police-say.html)

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**Author:** ![CookingWithGas](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cookingwithgas/32/485_2.png) [@CookingWithGas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CookingWithGas)\
**Post date:** [June 6, 2018, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1407 "2018-06-06T19:22:45Z")

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> [@Slash1972](#):
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> In similar news, a man stops a woman from stabbing his wife by [squirting ketchup on the attacker](http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/06/06/husband-stops-wifes-stabbing-attack-by-squirting-ketchup-on-knife-wielding-woman-police-say.html)

DKU.

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**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\
**Post date:** [June 6, 2018, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1408 "2018-06-06T20:06:32Z")

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> [@Slash1972](#):
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> In similar news, a man stops a woman from stabbing his wife by [squirting ketchup on the attacker](http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/06/06/husband-stops-wifes-stabbing-attack-by-squirting-ketchup-on-knife-wielding-woman-police-say.html)

Apparently a food fight; there was also a bowl of sugar involved.

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**Author:** ![Projammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/projammer/32/559_2.png) [@Projammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Projammer)\
**Post date:** [June 7, 2018, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1409 "2018-06-07T16:25:00Z")

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[A teen tried to rape his friend’s mother at a sleepover — until she pulled a gun, police say](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/true-crime/wp/2018/06/06/a-teen-tried-to-rape-his-friends-mother-at-a-sleepover-until-she-pulled-a-gun-police-say)

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> He allegedly tried to rape the woman, Fox 13 in Memphis reported, but she broke free, giving herself a black eye in the struggle. She told investigators she kneed Corter in the groin and got to a pistol she kept in the bedroom.
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> “Police said the woman then placed the gun in the man’s face and told him to leave,” Fox 13 reported.

The part that bothers me though.

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> According to the affidavit, the woman’s boss noticed her condition when she went to work the next day and persuaded her to phone the authorities.

While it’s a topic for another thread, is why people have to be persuaded to report assaults. While there may be a rare good reason, I can’t think of any that might qualify.

Also, this is the WaPo, so they have their obligatory bilgewater at the end about how rarely guns are used for defense in spite of the CDC study finding otherwise.

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**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\
**Post date:** [June 7, 2018, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1410 "2018-06-07T16:29:36Z")

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This story actually IS positive, since she didn’t actually kill the kid. Good for her.

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**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\
**Post date:** [June 7, 2018, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1411 "2018-06-07T17:11:16Z")

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> [@Projammer](#):
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> r another thread, is why people have to be persuaded to report assaults. While there may be a rare good reason, I can’t think of any that might qualify.

Are you saying she did the right thing by \*not \*calling the cops? If so, please expand upon that thought.

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**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\
**Post date:** [June 7, 2018, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1412 "2018-06-07T18:25:55Z")

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In other news, [Ocala Police: Son shot mom’s ex-boyfriend who broke into their home](http://mycbs4.com/news/local/ocala-police-son-shot-moms-ex-boyfriend-who-broke-into-their-home)

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> Ocala Police say a 30-year-old man is in critical condition Sunday after he broke into his ex-girlfriend’s house and was shot by her adult son.  
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> They say the woman’s adult son shot the suspect as he ran toward his younger siblings’ bedroom. They say the wounded suspect jumped out of a second-story window and officers found him a few blocks away. He was taken to a local hospital in critical condition.
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> Police have deemed it a justifiable shooting.

DGU with no deaths. The guy tried to get in at first, and when he returned the resident was ready to repel him. Even after getting shot and jumping out of a 2nd story window the person did not expire. Shot placement is critical.

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**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\
**Post date:** [June 7, 2018, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1413 "2018-06-07T18:55:53Z")

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> [@Bone](#):
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> DGU with no deaths. The guy tried to get in at first, and when he returned the resident was ready to repel him. Even after getting shot and jumping out of a 2nd story window the person did not expire. Shot placement is critical.

In all seriousness, when you post comments like this, you seem almost disappointed that the guy didn’t die. Am I reading it wrong?

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**Author:** ![Projammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/projammer/32/559_2.png) [@Projammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Projammer)\
**Post date:** [June 7, 2018, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1414 "2018-06-07T19:07:57Z")

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> [@ElvisL1ves](#):
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> Are you saying she did the right thing by \*not \*calling the cops? If so, please expand upon that thought.

Absolutely not. I was expressing dismay that she didn’t immediately report it and that she might not have ever done so without having been persuaded.

And further disappointment that there are far too many victims who also don’t report attacks.

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**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\
**Post date:** [June 7, 2018, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1415 "2018-06-07T19:12:43Z")

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Thanks. Just making sure - it wasn’t quite clear.

It does bring up the point about … \*some \*gun owners justifying their decisions by claiming the police can’t get there in time. It might be easy to go on to think they’re just useless and there’s no point calling them afterward, either.

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**Author:** ![CookingWithGas](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cookingwithgas/32/485_2.png) [@CookingWithGas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CookingWithGas)\
**Post date:** [June 7, 2018, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1416 "2018-06-07T19:26:38Z")

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> [@Projammer](#):
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> Also, this is the WaPo, so they have their obligatory bilgewater at the end about how rarely guns are used for defense in spite of the CDC study finding otherwise.

The “bilgewater” is a factual cite of a Harvard study, not merely opinion.

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**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\
**Post date:** [June 7, 2018, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1417 "2018-06-07T19:43:20Z")

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Self-victimization surveys are one way of looking at crime, but they’re probably not the most complete, and probably bias towards underreporting.

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**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\
**Post date:** [June 7, 2018, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1418 "2018-06-07T19:54:15Z")

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> [@Slash1972](#):
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> In all seriousness, when you post comments like this, you seem almost disappointed that the guy didn’t die. Am I reading it wrong?

It’s an example to show that even after being shot, attackers can still present a threat. If a person is able to run, and jump out of a 2nd story window, they can still be a threat. To ensure a threat is stopped, shot placement is critical, as is practice and discipline. It’s more like a PSA.

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In other news, [Clerk shoots robbery suspect in Pleasant Grove](http://www.fox4news.com/news/clerk-shoots-robbery-suspect-in-pleasant-grove)

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> Police said the robber had a bag in his hand and was demanding money from the clerk at a 7-Eleven store on Lake June Road in Pleasant Grove, which is in southeast Dallas.
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> The clerk pulled a handgun and shot the robber in the leg. He was later found bleeding outside another gas station.

DGU with no deaths. It doesn’t say whether the robber was armed, but I’d say he picked the wrong place to rob.

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**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\
**Post date:** [June 7, 2018, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1419 "2018-06-07T20:06:15Z")

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> [@Bone](#):
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> It’s an example to show that even after being shot, attackers can still present a threat. If a person is able to run, and jump out of a 2nd story window, they can still be a threat. To ensure a threat is stopped, shot placement is critical, as is practice and discipline. It’s more like a PSA.

Again, in a serious question, you make it sound like the only way to stop a threat is to make sure they are dead. Is that incorrect?

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**Author:** ![CookingWithGas](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cookingwithgas/32/485_2.png) [@CookingWithGas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CookingWithGas)\
**Post date:** [June 7, 2018, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1420 "2018-06-07T20:14:20Z")

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> [@Slash1972](#):
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> Again, in a serious question, you make it sound like the only way to stop a threat is to make sure they are dead. Is that incorrect?

My understanding is that LEOs are trained to fire at the center of a target to neutralize the threat. This technique is highly likely to kill the target, even though death per se is not the objective. There is no such thing as, “Well, I’ll blow his trigger finger off, that will stop the threat.”

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