# Positive Gun News of the Day **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [October 22, 2015, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490 "2015-10-22T22:57:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 73
**Author:** ![CookingWithGas](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cookingwithgas/32/485_2.png) [@CookingWithGas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CookingWithGas)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2018, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1441 "2018-07-19T00:47:17Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > [Store owner shoots beer thief.](http://www.fox13news.com/news/local-news/gas-station-owner-arrested-for-shooting-beer-thief-deputies-say) Are you trying to whoosh us? ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2018, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1442 "2018-07-19T01:04:44Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > I thought this was the more significant and potentially [better news of the settlement:](https://www.saf.org/doj-saf-reach-settlement-in-defense-distributed-lawsuit/) “sporting rifles such as the popular AR-15” ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2018, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1443 "2018-07-19T01:28:50Z")
> [@CookingWithGas](#): > > Are you trying to whoosh us? Following him out to the parking lot and shooting him is a bit much, but dear God man, he was _stealing beer!_ ---
**Author:** ![Gray\_Ghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c0e974/32.png) [@Gray\_Ghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gray_Ghost)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2018, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1444 "2018-07-19T02:10:22Z")
Co-owner of the store. Doubt the merchandise was insured. Doubt the cops would give two shits about catching the guy. Really though, this is going to be proof of the maxim that, if you have to use deadly force to prevent a crime (serious bodily injury or other violent felony), **talk to a lawyer before you talk to the cops.** I guarantee that 30 minutes with counsel before blabbing to the cops could have turned the attempted murder beef he’s facing into, “He was trying to run me down! All I was doing was telling him to stop, but he wouldn’t listen and he was trying to kill me!” But no, he told the truth, and now he’s looking at 20 years in the pen. Great. Law-abiding business owner with no priors gets to go to jail because Florida won’t take care of their chronic violent felons. Fuck thieves. You’ll get no tears from me over what this guy allegedly did. I only wish he killed Mr. DeFoe, and saved the state the medical bills from keeping this asshole in ICU. Really, Florida should be on the hook for letting this previous violent offender out to victimize other people again. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2018, 11:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1445 "2018-07-19T11:09:19Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Following him out to the parking lot and shooting him is a bit much, but dear God man, he was _stealing beer!_ Not just beer, _Natural Ice_. He stole _Natural Ice_. PALATR. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2018, 11:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1446 "2018-07-19T11:15:08Z")
> [@Gray\_Ghost](#): > > Fuck thieves. You’ll get no tears from me over what this guy allegedly did. I only wish he killed Mr. DeFoe, and saved the state the medical bills from keeping this asshole in ICU. > > Really, Florida should be on the hook for letting this previous violent offender out to victimize other people again. Ah the “death penalty for any crime” approach. It’s the “when you have a hammer, every problem looks like a nail” thing, only it’s “when you have a gun, every problem looks like a target”. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2018, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1447 "2018-07-19T12:34:43Z")
> [@Gray\_Ghost](#): > > Co-owner of the store. Doubt the merchandise was insured. Doubt the cops would give two shits about catching the guy. > > Really though, this is going to be proof of the maxim that, if you have to use deadly force to prevent a crime (serious bodily injury or other violent felony), **talk to a lawyer before you talk to the cops.** > > I guarantee that 30 minutes with counsel before blabbing to the cops could have turned the attempted murder beef he’s facing into, “He was trying to run me down! All I was doing was telling him to stop, but he wouldn’t listen and he was trying to kill me!” But no, he told the truth, and now he’s looking at 20 years in the pen. Great. Law-abiding business owner with no priors gets to go to jail because Florida won’t take care of their chronic violent felons. > > Fuck thieves. You’ll get no tears from me over what this guy allegedly did. I only wish he killed Mr. DeFoe, and saved the state the medical bills from keeping this asshole in ICU. > > Really, Florida should be on the hook for letting this previous violent offender out to victimize other people again. So, not only do you condone killing a person over $36 worth of beer, but you want the shooter to lie about it so they don’t get in trouble? ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2018, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1448 "2018-07-19T12:39:55Z")
> [@Gray\_Ghost](#): > > Co-owner of the store. Doubt the merchandise was insured. Doubt the cops would give two shits about catching the guy. > > Really though, this is going to be proof of the maxim that, if you have to use deadly force to prevent a crime (serious bodily injury or other violent felony), **talk to a lawyer before you talk to the cops.** > > I guarantee that 30 minutes with counsel before blabbing to the cops could have turned the attempted murder beef he’s facing into, “He was trying to run me down! All I was doing was telling him to stop, but he wouldn’t listen and he was trying to kill me!” But no, he told the truth, and now he’s looking at 20 years in the pen. Great. Law-abiding business owner with no priors gets to go to jail because Florida won’t take care of their chronic violent felons. > > Fuck thieves. You’ll get no tears from me over what this guy allegedly did. I only wish he killed Mr. DeFoe, and saved the state the medical bills from keeping this asshole in ICU. > > Really, Florida should be on the hook for letting this previous violent offender out to victimize other people again. Your advice is that he should have lied to the police to cover up a murder? Ninja’d by Manson Of course, on review, I note that the owner was shooting at a car that was driving away. That’s dangerous to bystanders as well. Would you advocate that had he had better aim and killed the guy while he was driving, which caused an accident and killed other people, that those people had it coming too, for driving near a shoplifter? ---
**Author:** ![CookingWithGas](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cookingwithgas/32/485_2.png) [@CookingWithGas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CookingWithGas)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2018, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1449 "2018-07-19T13:56:00Z")
> [@Gray\_Ghost](#): > > Really though, this is going to be proof of the maxim that, if you have to use deadly force to prevent a crime (serious bodily injury or other violent felony), **talk to a lawyer before you talk to the cops.** He was not preventing a crime. He was attempting to take revenge on a crime, using deadly force on an unarmed man posing no threat to human safety. I get the anger but this amounts to vigilante justice. You can’t go around shooting people because you’re pissed off. We have, you know, a legal system to deal with that. You are also projecting a profile onto Defoe that is not at all evident from the article. There is no indication in the article that Defoe was a chronic violent felon. Robbery and drug possession are not violent crimes. Domestic battery is, but the article does not say he was a chronic offender. It also used the word “charged” and not “convicted” and not “felon.” BTW a lawyer with any integrity will not advise a client to lie. > [@](#): > > Really, Florida should be on the hook for letting this previous violent offender out to victimize other people again. You’re mistaken. The violent offender was arrested. ---
**Author:** ![Orwell](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/dfb087/32.png) [@Orwell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Orwell)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2018, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1450 "2018-07-19T14:10:05Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > “sporting rifles such as the popular AR-15” Why did you highlight this quote? What in it do you find interesting? Whatever it may be, it’s not apparent to me. ---
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2018, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1451 "2018-07-19T14:44:09Z")
> [@CookingWithGas](#): > > Robbery and drug possession are not violent crimes. Actually, robbery _is_ a violent crime, by definition. (“The offense of taking or attempting to take the property of another by force or threat of force.”) If Defoe’s previous criminal history only included stuff like shoplifting, then that news story erred in saying he had a previous criminal history that included “robbery”; _IF_ Defoe had only previously done things like shoplift, they should have said “larceny”. I do not think the store owner was in the right here; doing something like taking down the license plate of the thief’s car and reporting it to the police would be perfectly fine. I would even say it’s acceptable for the store owner to run outside and say “Hey, man, you have to pay for that!” But opening fire on someone who is merely trying to flee after the theft of property is not morally or legally right. However frustrating it may be to have people steal stuff from your store, the store owner is now correctly facing serious criminal charges. This story should never have been posted in a thread on “Positive Gun News”–of course, the person who posted it to this thread is pretty clearly on record as not actually being a big fan of gun rights. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2018, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1452 "2018-07-20T00:45:08Z")
Shop lifting DOES NOT call for lethal force. Period. What that business owner did is completely unacceptable and he deserves whatever prison time a judge awards. This is exactly the type of case that the anti-gun lobby will use to further their agenda. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2018, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1453 "2018-07-20T12:14:22Z")
Homeowner saves wife and protects home. > **[Texas Man Shoots Would-Be Intruder to Protect Wife](https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/texas-man-shoots-would-be-intruder-to-protect-wife/76877/)** > > Police say a Houston man shot one of two would-be home intruders who grabbed his wife’s purse in the driveway of their home and were trying to force her inside. > [@](#): > > Police say a Houston man shot one of two would-be home intruders who grabbed his wife’s purse in the driveway of their home and were trying to force her inside. > > Police Lt. Larry Crowson said the man witnessed the attack Tuesday night and grabbed his gun. Police say the men were holding the woman at gunpoint. > > The husband confronted the men outside as they tried to push and drag his wife into the house. > > There was an exchange of gunfire and one of the suspects was shot in the head. ---
**Author:** ![dba\_Fred](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c37758/32.png) [@dba\_Fred](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dba_Fred)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2018, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1454 "2018-07-20T21:01:20Z")
That suspect needed to run into an armed husband like he needed a hole in his head. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2018, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1455 "2018-07-20T23:30:03Z")
> [@dba\_Fred](#): > > That suspect needed to run into an armed husband like he needed a hole in his head. Bad taste, but funny as hell. 🙂 I wonder how rescued wives deal with having hubby kill someone in front of their eyes. I think if I had taken my Wife to work the morning the guy tried to rob her shot him, I’d have to buy another car for her. I imagine that if I shot an intruder we’d have to buy another house. ---
**Author:** ![dba\_Fred](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c37758/32.png) [@dba\_Fred](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dba_Fred)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2018, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1456 "2018-07-21T06:25:48Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Bad taste, but funny as hell. 🙂 > \ What can I say, I took a shot 😃 ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2018, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1457 "2018-07-21T19:25:03Z")
Spree shooter killed in DGU > **[Spring Hill smoke shop owner glad to be alive after shooting](https://www.fox13news.com/news/spring-hill-smoke-shop-owner-glad-to-be-alive-after-shooting)** > > In Hernando County, a store owner is recovering after his Spring Hill business was shot up by a man on a mission to kill. ---
**Author:** ![Orwell](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/dfb087/32.png) [@Orwell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Orwell)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2018, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1458 "2018-07-21T20:00:08Z")
> [@thelurkinghorror](#): > > Spree shooter killed in DGU > > [Spring Hill smoke shop owner glad to be alive after shooting](http://www.fox13news.com/news/local-news/spring-hill-smoke-shop-owner-glad-to-be-alive-after-shooting) I hope the store owner fully recovers. Good defensive firearm use. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2018, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1459 "2018-07-21T20:07:50Z")
> [@Orwell](#): > > I hope the store owner fully recovers. Good defensive firearm use. Even though they didn’t have guns, I hope the other victims of the shooting spree recover as well. Well, the one that was not killed. ---
**Author:** ![Projammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/projammer/32/559_2.png) [@Projammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Projammer)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2018, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1460 "2018-07-23T18:01:51Z")
[New Zealand Man Shot While Breaking Into VA Home](https://www.richmond.com/news/local/crime/updated-new-zealand-man-shot-while-breaking-into-goochland-home/article_bcb7166f-29be-550c-a6fd-227c20a84e83.html) > [@](#): > > A New Zealand man who was shot while breaking into a woman’s Goochland County home had met her 14-year-old daughter online and suddenly arrived uninvited after methodically planning his trip to the U.S., Goochland’s sheriff said Monday. Just so much what-the-fucking-hell in this article. This could have been a much different story if the mother had not been armed. There’s a fair chance that he outweighed any two of the occupants before you consider that he had pepper spray. If you have kids into online gaming you should share this article with them to demonstrate the danger of sharing any personal information. Or any sort of online social application really. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490.md?page=72) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490.md?page=74)