# Positive Gun News of the Day **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [October 22, 2015, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490 "2015-10-22T22:57:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 75
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2018, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1481 "2018-09-18T20:37:10Z")
I, for one, look forward to the “Positive Broadsword News of the Day” thread. ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2018, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1482 "2018-09-18T22:01:48Z")
Kleck’s high number of DGU is 1/2 million to 3 million. NCVS is 108,000 Can have ideological/methodological concerns about either (the latter is self-report), but those give high and low points. Either way, many more than are used for illegal purposes. ---
**Author:** ![Isamu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/7c8e57/32.png) [@Isamu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isamu)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2018, 7:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1483 "2018-09-19T07:11:00Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > In other news, [Police: Armed bystander takes down gunman at Titusville back-to-school event:](https://www.wftv.com/news/local/police-investigate-shooting-at-titusville-park/806192101) > DGU with no deaths. A person came to a back to school event where kids were gathering school supplies and started shooting. A vendor on site quickly engaged the shooter and stopped him with his carry firearm. What could have been so much worse was ended quickly on site with only the attacker being injured. It’s like saying lucky he had a tiger to protect us from the other guys with tigers out there. It’s very easy to be unimpressed. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2018, 9:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1484 "2018-09-19T09:44:07Z")
It’s the vagueness of the definition of DGU that makes the statistics all but useless. On one end you have normal people facing very real threats and using their guns to either defend themselves or to drive away their attackers. On the other end you have people who whip out their gun anytime someone looks at them funny and claim the fact that the other person ran away when faced with an unstable idiot with a gun counts as a DGU. Somewhere in the middle you have people who avert threats merely by having a visible gun, and people who escalate situations which could have been solved peacefully but now can’t be (just because they have a gun), and all other sorts of cases. It’s not easy to count without some clearly defined criteria and reliable reporting, and we’ve got neither. I keep thinking back to that story of the 14-year-old kid who got lost on the way to school, rang a stranger’s doorbell to ask directions and was nearly shot by a crazy couple who claimed he was “breaking in”. The kid was lucky because 1) the gun jammed and 2) the couple had a special doorbell that recorded the event. But I wonder what would have happened if the gun hadn’t jammed and the incident hadn’t been recorded (both of which are more probable than what actually happened). We’d have a dead 14-year-old black kid and the word of two people that they had shot someone attempting to break into their home. Clear DGU, right? And we’d have people here claiming that obviously the kid shouldn’t have been there (why wasn’t he at school?) and how stupid he was for trying to break into someone’s house in broad daylight, and how the homeowners were just protecting themselves from an obvious threat. Tell me I’m wrong. So yeah. DGU. It’s a puzzlement. ---
**Author:** ![CookingWithGas](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cookingwithgas/32/485_2.png) [@CookingWithGas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CookingWithGas)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2018, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1485 "2018-09-19T12:48:27Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > I keep thinking back to that story of the 14-year-old kid who got lost on the way to school, rang a stranger’s doorbell to ask directions and was nearly shot by a crazy couple who claimed he was “breaking in”. I am not familiar with that story but I am familiar with a story of DGU where an intruder broke into a house in broad daylight. The homeowner shot and killed the intruder. It’s unfortunate that there was a death, but the homeowner successfully used a firearm to protect his family. Oh, and [the intruder was his own 14-year-old son](https://www.cnn.com/2016/01/12/us/father-shoots-son/index.html). ---
**Author:** ![Orwell](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/dfb087/32.png) [@Orwell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Orwell)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2018, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1486 "2018-09-19T13:15:13Z")
> [@Isamu](#): > > It’s like saying lucky he had a tiger to protect us from the other guys with tigers out there. It’s very easy to be unimpressed. I have no idea what you mean. It was not “lucky” that the armed bystander likely saved numerous lives. Luck involves happenstance and random results. This person was thankfully carrying a gun to protect himself and others. It was fortunate , not lucky, that someone was armed and willing to stop a mass murder event. Whether or not you are impressed is irrelevant. This was an unequivocal good response to a reckless/crazed/evil (take your pick) murderer. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2018, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1487 "2018-09-19T14:11:18Z")
> [@Orwell](#): > > I have no idea what you mean. > > It was not “lucky” that the armed bystander likely saved numerous lives. Luck involves happenstance and random results. This person was thankfully carrying a gun to protect himself and others. It was fortunate , not lucky, that someone was armed and willing to stop a mass murder event. Whether or not you are impressed is irrelevant. This was an unequivocal good response to a reckless/crazed/evil (take your pick) murderer. It was fortunate in the same way that it is “unfortunate” that so many of these reckless/crazed/evil shooters have easy access to guns in the first place. Which I’m guessing is what the ‘tiger’ comment was about; to wit: if the bad guy hadn’t had a gun/tiger in the first place, there would be no need for a good guy with a gun/tiger. ---
**Author:** ![Isamu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/7c8e57/32.png) [@Isamu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isamu)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2018, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1488 "2018-09-19T14:52:14Z")
> [@Orwell](#): > > I have no idea what you mean. > > It was not “lucky” that the armed bystander likely saved numerous lives. Luck involves happenstance and random results. This person was thankfully carrying a gun to protect himself and others. It was fortunate , not lucky, that someone was armed and willing to stop a mass murder event. Whether or not you are impressed is irrelevant. This was an unequivocal good response to a reckless/crazed/evil (take your pick) murderer. There is no proof that the armed bystander saved anyone’s lives, but there is proof that he killed someone. You called the person he killed a murderer. Who did he murder? ---
**Author:** ![Orwell](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/dfb087/32.png) [@Orwell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Orwell)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2018, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1489 "2018-09-19T15:27:07Z")
> [@Isamu](#): > > There is no proof that the armed bystander saved anyone’s lives, but there is proof that he killed someone. You called the person he killed a murderer. Who did he murder? From the linked article: > [@](#): > > An armed bystander shot a man who opened fire on a back-to-school event at a Titusville park after a fistfight, police said. > > The shooting occurred at Isaac Campbell Park on South Street shortly after 5:20 p.m. when the shooter, whom police have not identified, returned to the park after a fistfight and began firing, investigators said. > > “We are extremely grateful that nobody else was injured in this incident,” said Deputy Chief Todd Hutchinson. “This suspect opened fire at a crowded public park, this could have been so much worse." I should have written “would-be murderer”, but it’s hardly a stretch to say that the bystander saved many innocent lives. It was a school-related event with many children. I can’t imagine being so pedantic, cavalier and obtuse to argue otherwise. But go ahead, if you wish. ---
**Author:** ![Projammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/projammer/32/559_2.png) [@Projammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Projammer)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1490 "2018-09-24T22:45:29Z")
> [@Projammer](#): > > [Man goes behind counter to assault female employee. Female coworker has CCW permit.](https://www.tmj4.com/news/local-news/george-webb-attack-employee-was-reportedly-a-concealed-carry-holder) (with video) > > The man punches the first woman in the head/face and her coworker draws her weapon on him. He decides he would be better off going somewhere else. Followup. [Milwaukee man charged in George Webb attack complained of food taking too long, denied refund, prosecutors say](https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/crime/2018/07/30/milwaukee-george-webb-attack-man-caught-charged-after-video-release/862540002/) > [@](#): > > When Raphael C. Calhoun Jr. was refused a refund, he went into the kitchen, went up to a female employee and punched her in the face, the criminal complaint says. > > Calhoun, 28, was charged with substantial battery, a felony, in the June 29 attack on the restaurant employee ---
**Author:** ![JB99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/439d5e/32.png) [@JB99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JB99)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1491 "2018-09-24T22:59:21Z")
Did you hear the one about the Dallas cop who defended herself from the black man in her apartment? Oh, wait… Never mind… ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2018, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1492 "2018-09-25T01:20:41Z")
> [@JB99](#): > > Did you hear the one about the Dallas cop who defended herself from the black man in her apartment? > > Oh, wait… Never mind… The post above yours shows a woman pointing a pistol at a guy after he hit another woman in the face. ---
**Author:** ![Sloe\_Moe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8797f3/32.png) [@Sloe\_Moe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sloe_Moe)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2018, 9:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1493 "2018-09-25T09:20:40Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > …even providing the organization with basic depository services —would expose them to regulatory reprisals. WHAT??? is the NRA outlawed in some parts of the US? ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2018, 11:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1494 "2018-09-25T11:24:01Z")
Don’t threadshit. There are plenty of other threads to discuss that incident. You don’t need to bring it up here. > [@JB99](#): > > Did you hear the one about the Dallas cop who defended herself from the black man in her apartment? > > Oh, wait… Never mind… ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2018, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1495 "2018-11-04T19:34:19Z")
It’s six in the morning and 3 men are breaking into the house. There’s very little time to react. That’s why it’s so important to have all the doors locked. These men went to all her doors. She could have men rushing her from several directions. This is why my wife & I go to the range every few weeks. Criminals don’t care if a home is occupied. They’ll break in anyways and harm whoever is there. The men were found and charged. > **[News](https://www.foxcarolina.com/news/)** > > Local and breaking news in Greenville, Spartanburg, Anderson, SC from FOX Carolina > [@](#): > > No one answered her, but she heard people speaking in front of the house. Next, Jones said she called 911 and grabbed her gun. > > As she walked downstairs with the gun,she saw a strange man in a red shirt knocking on her window by the front door. > > “I yelled,  ‘I have a gun, I will shoot you, get away from my house,’” Jones said. > > She said the man and a second person then went to the back of the house and tried to enter through the back door. Then, they went to the garage before coming back to the front door. > > That’s when Jones said the man kicked in the front door, and she pulled the trigger. She said the bullet hit the man, and he ran off. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2018, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1496 "2018-11-04T19:43:06Z")
**2 criminals** She’s a mom with three kids. Got my numbers turned around. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2018, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1497 "2018-11-05T14:50:56Z")
Seems like running and screaming out the back door while the people were at the front door would be a safer action. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2018, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1498 "2018-11-05T15:13:33Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Seems like running and screaming out the back door while the people were at the front door would be a safer action. Not necessarily when there’s multiple intruders. And it would mean opening the door yourself, not knowing if there was someone waiting to either come in or grab you. ---
**Author:** ![Orwell](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/dfb087/32.png) [@Orwell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Orwell)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2018, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1499 "2018-11-05T15:15:40Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Seems like running and screaming out the back door while the people were at the front door would be a safer action. Safer? She heard “people” talking outside her house. How would she know how many, and whether or not any were at her back door? And the article says she has three children. Not sure of their ages, but she’s supposed to run and protect three children at the same time? She called 911, and she didn’t shoot through any doors or windows. She waited until they kicked in a door. Seems to me to be a textbook example of protecting her family with a firearm. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2018, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1500 "2018-11-05T16:30:49Z")
> [@Orwell](#): > > She called 911, and she didn’t shoot through any doors or windows. She waited until they kicked in a door. Seems to me to be a textbook example of protecting her family with a firearm. Yep, this one sure sounds like doing it right to me. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490.md?page=74) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490.md?page=76)