# Post #65 by Twickster **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [April 7, 2014, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-65-by-twickster/685585 "2014-04-07T21:40:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Yookeroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yookeroo/32/323_2.png) [@Yookeroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yookeroo)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2014, 8:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-65-by-twickster/685585/21 "2014-04-08T08:51:50Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=17200138&highlight=DrDeth#post17200138](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=17200138&highlight=DrDeth#post17200138) > > I understand, you have been taken in by the illiterates > [@DrDeth](#): > > the illiterati I’m beginning to think you don’t actually know what “illiterate” means. ---
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2014, 9:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-65-by-twickster/685585/22 "2014-04-08T09:55:46Z")
> [@twickster](#): > > Saying I find your behavior disingenuous isn’t an insult; it’s a description of my reaction to your behavior. Firstly let me say that I agree with your stance on this but I have to take issue with the above. If I wrote of another poster, “I find your behavior cuntish in the extreme”, would you give me a pass because it wasn’t an insult but a description of my reaction to their behavior? If you would then it casts a whole new and interesting light on the rules. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2014, 10:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-65-by-twickster/685585/23 "2014-04-08T10:31:09Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > \*\*Show me another thread on another Film where a comparison of the book vs the film (as shown so far) would be a “spoiler”. No one thinks that’s a 'spoiler". \*\* Look at the zillions of LotR threads, even back in the day etc, where we not only discussed the books, but Christopher Tolkiens commentaries and notes. No one even bothers with saying "spoilers or no. > > So, yes, I am in favor of discussion of a comparison vs the Source vs Screen- but only as far as what has been shown on the screen. This is my Public Position. But in many other threads the illiterati have posted the LIE over and over that I ruined many threads and were in favor of ruining all their fun with actual spoilers. > > Yes, this did occur during the first season. Yes, many folks posted things about upcoming events or alluded to them strongly. In a thread with NO Spoilers this is rude. I didn’t do that. I am against that. I do not want Spoilers in a "no spoilers’ thread. Never have. Don’t now. > > However, as I said- since Gukumatz has put in very clear rules I will follow them. I appreciate clarity. \ - you should step into the Walking Dead threads - especially the early ones - they have a very specific rule to avoid the comics. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2014, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-65-by-twickster/685585/24 "2014-04-08T12:56:08Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > Oh Boy! Oh Boy! Season 4 of GoT Spoiler Arguments is underway. I hope to see all my favorite characters, and maybe some exciting new ones! Is there no way we can let the offending/offended parties fight it out to the death? ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2014, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-65-by-twickster/685585/25 "2014-04-08T13:08:21Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > Firstly let me say that I agree with your stance on this but I have to take issue with the above. If I wrote of another poster, “I find your behavior cuntish in the extreme”, would you give me a pass because it wasn’t an insult but a description of my reaction to their behavior? If you would then it casts a whole new and interesting light on the rules. Yeah, good point – I retract my comment, and rephrase to “do you know what disingenuous means?” ---
**Author:** ![Emiliana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f0a364/32.png) [@Emiliana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Emiliana)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2014, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-65-by-twickster/685585/26 "2014-04-08T13:54:25Z")
I found the initial spoiler tag to be quite confusing. The OP had watched all of the available episodes and asked who he or she could root for. The question could only be directed to book readers and the spoilers could only come from the books, no? TV spoilers doesn’t make sense in a thread talking about a television show. Anyone who isn’t up to date shouldn’t open the thread in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2014, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-65-by-twickster/685585/27 "2014-04-08T14:18:11Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > Oh Boy! Oh Boy! Season 4 of GoT Spoiler Arguments is underway. I hope to see all my favorite characters, and maybe some exciting new ones! **GAME OF DURPS** Drama! Bloody clashes! Treachery and deceit! Deep-seated hatred and acts of vengeance! Convoluted, often meandering storyline! All we need is more gratuitous boobage and a couple of CGI dragons. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2014, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-65-by-twickster/685585/28 "2014-04-08T15:43:45Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > Oh Boy! Oh Boy! Season 4 of GoT Spoiler Arguments is underway. I hope to see all my favorite characters, and maybe some exciting new ones! Wow, thanks for the spoiler. I didn’t even know there was a seson 4 yet. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2014, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-65-by-twickster/685585/29 "2014-04-08T17:28:27Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > Wow, thanks for the spoiler. I didn’t even know there was a seson 4 yet. Seasons?!? As far as I was aware, there’s only one season in Game of Thrones - summer. The Starks keep saying that “winter is coming”, but it hasn’t yet - so I’m just going to assume you’re spoilering something. Jerk. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2014, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-65-by-twickster/685585/30 "2014-04-08T20:10:43Z")
> [@twickster](#): > > **DrDeth** , a few points: > > [ul] > [li]Saying you have repeatedly taken a particular stance toward spoilers is not a lie; it is a statement of fact, as several people have said in the thread. Saying I find your behavior disingenuous isn’t an insult; it’s a description of my reaction to your behavior.[/li][li]That particular thread involved a discussion that took place before **Gukumatz** posted the GoT rules for this season, so your acceptance or rejection of those rules is irrelevant to that particular incident.[/li][li]The distinction you’re drawing between being in favor of spoilers vs. being in favor of discussing things that have happened in the books but not the show is lost on me, which is why **Gukumatz** is moderating all the GoT discussions. [/li][li]The only PM I see from you in my inbox is one from January about a completely unrelated matter.[/li][/ul] Well, I guess so. Since I have been consistently \*\*AGAINST \*\*spoilers, I guess one could say I \*have repeatedly taken a particular stance toward spoilers \*. But no one who read your post there nor the other posts would get that idea, just the opposite. This pretty well defines disingenuous. A “spoiler” is (wiki) "_A spoiler is an element of a disseminated summary or description of any piece of fiction that reveals any plot elements which threaten to give away important details concerning the turn of events of a dramatic episode. Typically, the details of the conclusion of the plot, including the climax and ending, are especially regarded as spoiler material. It can also be used to refer to any piece of information regarding any part of a given media that a potential consumer would not want to know beforehand. Because enjoyment of fiction depends a great deal upon the suspense of revealing plot details through standard narrative progression, the prior revelation of how things will turn out can “spoil” the enjoyment that some consumers of the narrative would otherwise have experienced."_ or from our own Dex:“This applies to books, movies, plays, TV shows… anything with a plot. “Spoiling” is when you haven’t seen a particular movie (read a book, whatever), and you don’t want to have plot elements revealed in advance, and someone tells you that the boss is actually the double-agent. That’s “spoiled” the story/surprise for you.” So, when someone discuss things yet to come, plot points not yet revealed, that’s a “spoiler”. Discussing things that have already happened or will not happen is _not_ a spoiler. Thus, in one case I mentioned that the Source material did not actually depict the graphic on Screen torture. The torture occurred, it was just shown a little differently in the Source as opposed to the Screen. And in fact, many others- even in the NON-spoiler threads- have mentioned HBO’s use of gratuitous nudity. That’s discussing a difference between the Source and the Screen. No one objects to those comments. Instead of a PM, I believe I “reported” your post, which works out to the same. It’s your forum. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2014, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-65-by-twickster/685585/31 "2014-04-08T20:11:55Z")
> [@Yookeroo](#): > > I’m beginning to think you don’t actually know what “illiterate” means. Those who do not read. ---
**Author:** ![bucketybuck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@bucketybuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bucketybuck)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2014, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-65-by-twickster/685585/32 "2014-04-08T20:14:38Z")
I can’t wait until the TV show passes the books, and then people who have only read the books will be complaining about big spoilers from the TV show. That would be dope. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2014, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-65-by-twickster/685585/33 "2014-04-08T20:20:35Z")
> [@Emiliana](#): > > I found the initial spoiler tag to be quite confusing. The OP had watched all of the available episodes and asked who he or she could root for. The question could only be directed to book readers and the spoilers could only come from the books, no? > > TV spoilers doesn’t make sense in a thread talking about a television show. Anyone who isn’t up to date shouldn’t open the thread in the first place. Thank you. And do note, I did get my post spoiler tagged and after the OP clarified his question & the thread re-named I even said I would have no objection if my post was deleted, just in case. I honestly have no objection to “no spoilers”. But the illiterati have caused more issues with hijacks and reporting anytime anyone even mentioned the word “book” that the people who give inadvertent info. They are the ones causing the problems. In the thread mentioned in the OP, a solid 10% of the posts are people complaining about my post, and thus Hijacking the thread. ---
**Author:** ![jimbuff314](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c57346/32.png) [@jimbuff314](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jimbuff314)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2014, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-65-by-twickster/685585/34 "2014-04-08T20:31:29Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > […]or from our own Dex:“This applies to books, movies, plays, TV shows… anything with a plot. “Spoiling” is when you haven’t seen a particular movie (read a book, whatever), and you don’t want to have plot elements revealed **in advance** , and someone tells you that the boss is actually the double-agent. That’s “spoiled” the story/surprise for you.” > > So, when someone discuss things yet to come, plot points not yet revealed, that’s a “spoiler”. Discussing things that have already happened or will not happen is _not_ a spoiler. […] [bolding added] I’m a little confused. I take **Dex** ’s “in advance” to mean “in advance of your having watched the show”. You seem to have it mean “in advance of where the show currently is”. Clarification? ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2014, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-65-by-twickster/685585/35 "2014-04-08T20:54:08Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Those who do not read. Those who are_unable_ to read. And those who think silly fantasy novels are literature. ---
**Author:** ![TubaDiva](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tubadiva/32/507_2.png) [@TubaDiva](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TubaDiva)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2014, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-65-by-twickster/685585/36 "2014-04-08T21:13:32Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > **GAME OF DURPS** > > Drama! Bloody clashes! Treachery and deceit! Deep-seated hatred and acts of vengeance! And a TV show. ---
**Author:** ![Yookeroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yookeroo/32/323_2.png) [@Yookeroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yookeroo)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2014, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-65-by-twickster/685585/37 "2014-04-08T22:12:04Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Those who do not read. Heh. I was right. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2014, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-65-by-twickster/685585/38 "2014-04-08T22:52:34Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Is there no way we can let the offending/offended parties fight it out to the death? Rule No 1. Never get in a fight to the death with someone named Dr De[a]th. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2014, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-65-by-twickster/685585/39 "2014-04-08T23:27:40Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > Oh Boy! Oh Boy! Season 4 of GoT Spoiler Arguments is underway. I hope to see all my favorite characters, and maybe some exciting new ones! DrDeth loses the argument. In the book he was banned after losing and making a **Tyrion Dies!!** sock but I have a feeling the producers at SDMB want to keep him around for the dramatic tension. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2014, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-65-by-twickster/685585/40 "2014-04-09T02:48:06Z")
> [@twickster](#): > > Yeah, good point – I retract my comment, and rephrase to “do you know what disingenuous means?” Ok, so we’re halfway there. I accept you didn’t mean it as a insult. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-65-by-twickster/685585.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-65-by-twickster/685585.md?page=3)