# Post an original Cryptic Crossword clue

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**Category:** The Game Room\
**Created:** [March 24, 2009, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-an-original-cryptic-crossword-clue/490635 "2009-03-24T20:05:00Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![Scissorjack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c67d28/32.png) [@Scissorjack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scissorjack)\
**Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-an-original-cryptic-crossword-clue/490635/161 "2009-03-31T04:03:24Z")

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Open love. {5}

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**Author:** ![hammos1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ba8739/32.png) [@hammos1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hammos1)\
**Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 9:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-an-original-cryptic-crossword-clue/490635/162 "2009-03-31T09:38:09Z")

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> [@Biotop](#):
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> I began this thread by imagining I’m nude… you may linger here for a very illicit experience (5, 3)

Like it…

Opium DenOP + anag of ‘I’m nude’

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**Author:** ![hammos1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ba8739/32.png) [@hammos1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hammos1)\
**Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 9:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-an-original-cryptic-crossword-clue/490635/163 "2009-03-31T09:47:59Z")

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> [@Biotop](#):
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> Sock puppet (5)

Punch

Where you get down, get down! (4)

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**Author:** ![Ximenean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/aca169/32.png) [@Ximenean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ximenean)\
**Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 10:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-an-original-cryptic-crossword-clue/490635/164 "2009-03-31T10:22:03Z")

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> [@Scissorjack](#):
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> Open love. {5}

AGAPEDouble definition (_agape_ is one of the ancient Greek notions of love)

Excited lover’s rod welcomed by me, for one (9)

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**Author:** ![Hoopy\_Frood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hoopy_frood/32/8452_2.png) [@Hoopy\_Frood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hoopy_Frood)\
**Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 11:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-an-original-cryptic-crossword-clue/490635/165 "2009-03-31T11:58:57Z")

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> [@hammos1](#):
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> Where you get down, get down! (4)

[spoiler]duck

Double definition[/spoiler]

> [@Ximenean](#):
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> Excited lover’s rod welcomed by me, for one (9)

[spoiler]overlords

lover’s rod[/spoiler]

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**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\
**Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-an-original-cryptic-crossword-clue/490635/166 "2009-03-31T15:40:25Z")

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> [@yevgeny](#):
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> Syntax (sin tax)? I tried to put the answer in all caps but it just turns it all lowercase. It never did that before. 😕

**Correct**. But:

Did the “Systematically Arranged” piece click right in as the double definition, or did you start to anagram?

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**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\
**Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-an-original-cryptic-crossword-clue/490635/167 "2009-03-31T15:44:03Z")

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> [@Hoopy\_Frood](#):
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> [spoiler]duck
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> Double definition[/spoiler]

As in the command related to covering your head, not the one to dance funky. Correct? I knew that the clue was getting at “down” being feathers, but that is as far as I really got. I was anagraming duck. :smack:

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**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\
**Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-an-original-cryptic-crossword-clue/490635/168 "2009-03-31T15:47:22Z")

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> [@Biotop](#):
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> Sock puppet (5)

Ok I had to look in on this one.

An answer given was:

Punch

Assuming the answer given is the answer, What is the second half here?

I mean, I understand the answer and how it relates, but I don’t see how the rest of the clue confirms that answer.

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**Author:** ![Hoopy\_Frood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hoopy_frood/32/8452_2.png) [@Hoopy\_Frood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hoopy_Frood)\
**Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-an-original-cryptic-crossword-clue/490635/169 "2009-03-31T15:56:49Z")

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> [@Meeko](#):
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> As in the command related to covering your head, not the one to dance funky. Correct?

Yep.

Incidentally, one of my favorite cryptic crossword clues I came across once was:

Below, below, below. (10)

It’s just so elegant, simple, and straightforward. The “how” of it is pretty easy to parse, but the “what” doesn’t immediately spring to mind (at least, it didn’t to me, but I did figure it out with no helper letters after thinking about it for a bit).

I’ve actually tried to think of another word that a similar clue would apply to, but haven’t come up with anything.

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**Author:** ![Hoopy\_Frood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hoopy_frood/32/8452_2.png) [@Hoopy\_Frood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hoopy_Frood)\
**Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-an-original-cryptic-crossword-clue/490635/170 "2009-03-31T15:57:52Z")

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> [@Meeko](#):
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> Ok I had to look in on this one.
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> An answer given was:
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> Punch
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> Assuming the answer given is the answer, What is the second half here?
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> I mean, I understand the answer and how it relates, but I don’t see how the rest of the clue confirms that answer.

“Punch and Judy” is a puppet show. To sock somone is to punch them.

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**Author:** ![Dead\_Cat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9fc29f/32.png) [@Dead\_Cat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dead_Cat)\
**Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-an-original-cryptic-crossword-clue/490635/171 "2009-03-31T16:20:36Z")

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> [@Hoopy\_Frood](#):
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> Below, below, below. (10)

Underneath? I just read it as “under”, “neath”, and “underneath” all meaning “below”.

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**Author:** ![Ximenean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/aca169/32.png) [@Ximenean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ximenean)\
**Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-an-original-cryptic-crossword-clue/490635/172 "2009-03-31T16:23:52Z")

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If it’s what I think it is, that’s a bit like clueing SILVER DOLLAR as

Money, money, money (6, 6)

To me that somehow doesn’t feel very satisfactory, because the subsidiary parts are etymologically the same as in the overall answer.

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**Author:** ![hammos1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ba8739/32.png) [@hammos1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hammos1)\
**Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-an-original-cryptic-crossword-clue/490635/173 "2009-03-31T16:58:58Z")

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Family doctor in important part (7)

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**Author:** ![hammos1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ba8739/32.png) [@hammos1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hammos1)\
**Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-an-original-cryptic-crossword-clue/490635/174 "2009-03-31T17:19:13Z")

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Flower rejected by leaders of Western Europe- it’s a dangerous hybrid (8)

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**Author:** ![Hoopy\_Frood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hoopy_frood/32/8452_2.png) [@Hoopy\_Frood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hoopy_Frood)\
**Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-an-original-cryptic-crossword-clue/490635/175 "2009-03-31T17:47:33Z")

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> [@Dead\_Cat](#):
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> Underneath? I just read it as “under”, “neath”, and “underneath” all meaning “below”.

Yep. That was the answer.

> [@hammos1](#):
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> Flower rejected by leaders of Western Europe- it’s a dangerous hybrid (8)

werewolfwe + (backwards) flower

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**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\
**Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-an-original-cryptic-crossword-clue/490635/176 "2009-03-31T20:15:49Z")

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> [@Hoopy\_Frood](#):
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> “Punch and Judy” is a puppet show. To sock somone is to punch them.

Ah. I’m 26. I’m guessing this is a Howdy Doody era type thing ?

I got the second half.

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**Author:** ![Hoopy\_Frood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hoopy_frood/32/8452_2.png) [@Hoopy\_Frood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hoopy_Frood)\
**Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-an-original-cryptic-crossword-clue/490635/177 "2009-03-31T20:20:34Z")

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> [@Meeko](#):
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> Ah. I’m 26. I’m guessing this is a Howdy Doody era type thing ?

Nope. They’ve been around for practically 300 years, and grew out of Rennaissance puppet shows originally.

So it’s more of an archetype than an actual character like Howdy Doody.

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**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\
**Post date:** [April 1, 2009, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-an-original-cryptic-crossword-clue/490635/178 "2009-04-01T05:16:48Z")

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Rock City, Delaware “Butcher Riot” graphic details girl’s head found in mangled chain (7, 8)

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**Author:** ![hammos1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ba8739/32.png) [@hammos1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hammos1)\
**Post date:** [April 1, 2009, 11:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-an-original-cryptic-crossword-clue/490635/179 "2009-04-01T11:27:16Z")

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> [@Biotop](#):
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> Rock City, Delaware “Butcher Riot” graphic details girl’s head found in mangled chain (7, 8)

Detroit, MichiganDE (Delaware) + TROI (butcher RIOT) + TMI (graphic details) + CHIGAN (girl’s head (G) in mangled CHAIN)…phew!

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**Author:** ![Ximenean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/aca169/32.png) [@Ximenean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ximenean)\
**Post date:** [April 1, 2009, 11:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-an-original-cryptic-crossword-clue/490635/180 "2009-04-01T11:55:16Z")

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> [@hammos1](#):
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> Detroit, MichiganDE (Delaware) + TROI (butcher RIOT) + TMI (graphic details) + CHIGAN (girl’s head (G) in mangled CHAIN)…phew!

Oh, Michigan… on reflection, I think it’s correct, that (4)

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