# Post CF and on-going Trump outrages **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 25, 2021, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-cf-and-on-going-trump-outrages/933746 "2021-02-25T21:48:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2021, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-cf-and-on-going-trump-outrages/933746/341 "2021-05-24T17:58:31Z")
As we say in academia, a paper that refutes all of your paper’s findings still counts as a citation of your paper. ---
**Author:** ![SailorHG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@SailorHG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SailorHG)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2021, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-cf-and-on-going-trump-outrages/933746/342 "2021-05-24T18:23:16Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > Nope, doing a Google search for “badger by the horns” has zero results. It’s not a known phrase from pop culture or anywhere else. I was confused as well, but my search gave me a reference to a fanfic story (of _what_ I don’t know yet; I’ve only read half of the first chapter thus far) called [When the Badger Grows Horns](https://www.fanfiction.net/s/7660932/1/When-the-Badger-Grows-Horns). Apparently that was just a coincidence. 🙃 ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2021, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-cf-and-on-going-trump-outrages/933746/343 "2021-05-24T18:26:37Z")
I was familiar with the meaning of [growling at the badger](https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=growling%20at%20the%20badger), but I’ve not heard of grabbing one by the horns. Not sure I want to know. ---
**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2021, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-cf-and-on-going-trump-outrages/933746/344 "2021-05-24T19:04:26Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > I was familiar with the meaning of [growling at the badger](https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=growling%20at%20the%20badger), but I’ve not heard of grabbing one by the horns. Growling at the badger is what dachshunds do. It would be what my dachshund would do if he ever saw a badger. Definitely NOT that urban dictionary definition! ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2021, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-cf-and-on-going-trump-outrages/933746/345 "2021-05-24T19:07:00Z")
My beloved recently-departed mini-dachshund would never have growled at any badger, I’m afraid. His style was more to hide behind my ankles from anything that made him nervous. He wasn’t a nervous dog, but why fight the battles when Mama would do it for him? Damn, I miss that sweet little boy. BTW, I love your avatar. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2021, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-cf-and-on-going-trump-outrages/933746/346 "2021-05-24T19:12:26Z")
Thanks! You should post that in the IMHO thread about favorite avatars! My current doxie, Max, is a bit aggro. Not bitey, but he has a strong territorial imperative, and people and critters who infringe on his territory get to hear about it. Deep down he’s a sweetheart and a cuddlebug. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2021, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-cf-and-on-going-trump-outrages/933746/347 "2021-05-24T19:20:05Z")
The way Google indexes this site, I think **eschereal** will go down in history as the father of _Badger Horns._ And the meme, and the websites, and the film version, and the Netflix series… ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2021, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-cf-and-on-going-trump-outrages/933746/348 "2021-05-24T19:24:38Z")
> [@carrps](#): > > Thanks! You should post that in the IMHO thread about favorite avatars! Ok, I will. > [@carrps](#): > > My current doxie, Max, is a bit aggro. Not bitey, but he has a strong territorial imperative, and people and critters who infringe on his territory get to hear about it. Deep down he’s a sweetheart and a cuddlebug. Aren’t they all? Lewis never met a stranger, not human or critter. Made friends with 'em all, unless they preferred to be left alone. Then he’d just ignore them. One of my cats, now also deceased, used to entice him to pull her around in circles by her ear. Those two were hilarious together. Long live Max, sweetheart and cuddlebug! Now I have to go find a couple of Post CF and on-going Trump outrages to make up for hijacking the thread. Fortunately, it isn’t difficult. > **[Stephen Miller Is Waging War on Biden for Discriminating Against White People](https://www.vice.com/en/article/3aqdan/stephen-miller-war-on-biden-for-discriminating-against-white-people?utm_source=email&utm_medium=editorial&utm_content=news&utm_campaign=210524)** > > And, yes, you’re still paying his salary. > Stephen Miller is waging legal war against President Joe Biden in the name of fighting alleged racial discrimination against white people. And he’s doing it while still reportedly drawing a sizable government salary. > > The onetime White House adviser notorious for driving Former President Trump’s hardline anti-immigration agenda is behind two legal challenges against the Biden administration alleging anti-discrimination against white people in multibillion-dollar pandemic economic recovery programs. > **[Impeachment Witness Gordon Sondland Is Suing Mike Pompeo And U.S. For $1.8...](https://www.npr.org/2021/05/24/999778153/impeachment-witness-gordon-sondland-is-suing-mike-pompeo-and-u-s-for-1-8-million)** > > Sondland, who testified about a "quid pro quo" between Trump and Ukraine, says the former secretary of state reneged on an agreement to pay his impeachment-related legal fees. I’m conflicted on this one. I think both Sondland and Pompeo are scum. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2021, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-cf-and-on-going-trump-outrages/933746/349 "2021-05-24T19:32:18Z")
> [@digs](#): > > The way Google indexes this site, I think **eschereal** will go down in history as the father of _Badger Horns._ as long as it does not come to mean the University of Wisconsin marching band ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2021, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-cf-and-on-going-trump-outrages/933746/350 "2021-05-24T20:00:51Z")
That’s a win for you, too, though. The University will PM you saying their students all want the brass section to be called The Horns of the Badger… and telling you to name your price. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2021, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-cf-and-on-going-trump-outrages/933746/351 "2021-05-24T20:30:27Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > I’m conflicted on this one. I think both Sondland and Pompeo are scum. True enough, but AFAIK, Sondland has no future political aspirations. Pompeo, however, wants to be our next president, so anything that makes him look bad is a plus. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2021, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-cf-and-on-going-trump-outrages/933746/352 "2021-05-24T21:13:03Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > Pompeo, however, wants to be our next president, so anything that makes him look bad is a plus. He has all the charisma of a wet paper bag. I don’t see him inspiring anyone to do more than fall asleep. > **[Pompeo: 'We need to know what happened' in the Wuhan lab | Fox News Video](https://www.foxnews.com/video/6255776957001)** > > Former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo is 'confident' the coronavirus pandemic was a result of a lab leak and warns 'this could happen again.'  He’s also a conspiracy theorist who calls scientists irresponsible for disagreeing with him about COVID coming from a lab in Wuhan. As if they need to listen to him, because he has a better understanding than people who actually have training and experience. I don’t think he has any political future. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2021, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-cf-and-on-going-trump-outrages/933746/353 "2021-05-24T21:26:15Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > I don’t think he has any political future. I certainly hope you’re right, but the guy has risen from Congressman to Director of the CIA to Secretary of State. He may have gone as far as he can go, but he definitely wants to be president. ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2021, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-cf-and-on-going-trump-outrages/933746/354 "2021-05-24T22:03:33Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > I don’t think he has any political future. This has proven numerous times in the past to be a dangerous prediction. I don’t rule anyone out as a threat. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2021, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-cf-and-on-going-trump-outrages/933746/355 "2021-05-24T22:16:24Z")
> [@Roderick\_Femm](#): > > This has proven numerous times in the past to be a dangerous prediction. Yeah, I thought Trump could never get nominated. Ex-president fucking Trump. 😡 ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2021, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-cf-and-on-going-trump-outrages/933746/356 "2021-05-24T22:20:41Z")
Pompeo looks like a very credible Soviet era senior _apparatchik_. IOW, he’s perfectly typecast to be the Brezhnev-equivalent that initiates the final fall of America into permanent authoritarianism. ---
**Author:** ![Yookeroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yookeroo/32/323_2.png) [@Yookeroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yookeroo)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2021, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-cf-and-on-going-trump-outrages/933746/357 "2021-05-24T22:34:45Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > I’m conflicted on this one. I think both Sondland and Pompeo are scum. Scum going after each other is always a good thing. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2021, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-cf-and-on-going-trump-outrages/933746/358 "2021-05-25T01:48:18Z")
We’re not done discussing badgers and badger horns yet. For those still wondering, it comes from the Favorite Avatars thread just last week, where we discussed Lewis Carroll’s descriptions of raths and toves. > [@Which board avatars do you like?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-board-avatars-do-you-like/942351/9): > > Lewis Carroll himself gave conflicting descriptions of toves, raths, and perhaps other critters. Before writing Looking Glass, he wrote a periodical called Mischmasch, in which he may have given the description you mention. But in Looking Glass, Humpty Dumpty gives some different descriptions. Slithy\_Tove’s avatar follows Humpty Dumpty’s definition and agrees with Tenniel’s illustration: [[image] ](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/43/Jabberwocky_creatures.jpg) To be sure, the Wikipedia page for [Jabberwocky](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jabberwocky) seems garbled… > [@Senegoid](#): > > To be sure, the Wikipedia page for [Jabberwocky](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jabberwocky) seems garbled: At one point, it says: > > > [@](#): > > > > For example, following the poem, a “rath” is described by Humpty as “a sort of green pig”.[[18]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jabberwocky#cite_note-AAW96-18) Carroll’s notes for the original in _[Mischmasch](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mischmasch)_ suggest a “rath” is “a species of Badger” that “lived chiefly on cheese” and had smooth white hair, long hind legs, and short horns like a stag.[[19]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jabberwocky#cite_note-Penguin-19) > > Later, the same page says: > > > [@](#): > > > > Tove: Humpty Dumpty says “‘Toves’ are something like badgers, they’re something like lizards, and they’re something like corkscrews. … Also they make their nests under sun-dials, also they live on cheese.”[[18]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jabberwocky#cite_note-AAW96-18) Pronounced so as to rhyme with _groves_ .[[21]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jabberwocky#cite_note-HoS-21) They “gyre and gimble”, i.e., rotate and bore. Toves are described slightly differently in _[Mischmasch](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mischmasch)_ : “a species of Badger [which] had smooth white hair, long hind legs, and short horns like a stag [and] lived chiefly on cheese”.[[19]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jabberwocky#cite_note-Penguin-19) > > (ETA: Emphasis added by me.) ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2021, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-cf-and-on-going-trump-outrages/933746/359 "2021-05-25T03:21:33Z")
Stags do not have horns. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2021, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-cf-and-on-going-trump-outrages/933746/360 "2021-05-25T05:15:44Z")
Correct, as antlers are not horns but rather a part of the skull. They are no more horns than a prominent brow ridge on a human would be. The more you know! [![](https://i.imgflip.com/5atxtw.jpg) ](https://i.imgflip.com/5atxtw.jpg) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-cf-and-on-going-trump-outrages/933746.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-cf-and-on-going-trump-outrages/933746.md?page=19)