# Post CF and on-going Trump outrages **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 25, 2021, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-cf-and-on-going-trump-outrages/933746 "2021-02-25T21:48:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 34
**Author:** ![icon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c6cbf5/32.png) [@icon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/icon)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2021, 9:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-cf-and-on-going-trump-outrages/933746/662 "2021-09-17T09:29:06Z")
Let’s help the environment! Or not, because China is worse: > **[Trump EPA Administrator Speaks Out Against Fairfax County's 5-Cent Plastic...](https://www.npr.org/local/305/2021/09/16/1037867479/trump-e-p-a-administrator-speaks-out-against-fairfax-county-s-5-cent-plastic-bag-fee)** > > Fairfax County became the first county in Northern Virginia to adopt a plastic bag fee. Many residents support the program, which aims to curb pollution. > In a familiar Trump administration refrain, Wheeler blamed China. “The alarming truth of the matter is that over 50% of ocean plastics come from five Asian countries, China being the greatest offender by far.” `//i\\` ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2021, 9:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-cf-and-on-going-trump-outrages/933746/663 "2021-09-17T09:47:02Z")
[A plastic bag charge worked incredibly well in the UK](https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2019.00266/full). Funnily enough, many of the grumps who opposed it adopted an “I’ll show them! I’ll just bring my _own_ bags to the store to avoid the tax!” argument, apparently unaware that that was the entire fucking point of the exercise. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2021, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-cf-and-on-going-trump-outrages/933746/664 "2021-09-17T15:04:12Z")
I’m guessing that those 5 Asian countries coincidentally have \> 50% of the world’s population, and therefore not surprisingly produce 50% of the world’s plastic. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2021, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-cf-and-on-going-trump-outrages/933746/665 "2021-09-17T16:19:16Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > those 5 Asian countries coincidentally have \> 50% of the world’s population, and therefore not surprisingly produce 50% of the world’s plastic Still mostly poor, so probably not as plastic based as Western countries. However, they also probably produce \> 50% of the plastic stuff sold in the West, so that is likely a major contributor to whatever they are contributing to the garbage islands in the ocean. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2021, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-cf-and-on-going-trump-outrages/933746/666 "2021-09-17T21:24:46Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > However, they also probably produce \> 50% of the plastic stuff sold in the West “How dare those offending Asian countries produce all this polluting plastic shit used to create export merchandise that I voluntarily buy!!” ---
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2021, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-cf-and-on-going-trump-outrages/933746/667 "2021-09-18T04:15:05Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > What, would Trump say ‘Look. This ship is too expensive. I can get a better ship from China’? From Russia. What do you want to bet somewhere in the midst of Trump’s bitching was a demand for the ship’s plans, which would duly be passed along to Putin? ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2021, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-cf-and-on-going-trump-outrages/933746/668 "2021-10-06T13:58:13Z")
No, no! Say it isn’t so! \<_hides face and sobs_\> > **[Trump drops off Forbes 400 list for first time in 25 years](https://www.washingtonpost.com/s/business/2021/10/05/donald-trump-forbes-400-list/?pwapi_token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWJpZCI6IjYyMDc3NTgiLCJyZWFzb24iOiJnaWZ0IiwibmJmIjoxNjMzNTI4NDc3LCJpc3MiOiJzdWJzY3JpcHRpb25zIiwiZXhwIjoxNjM0NzM4MDc3LCJpYXQiOjE2MzM1Mjg0NzcsImp0aSI6Ijk0ZDllYWM0LTYyNDYtNGM4Mi04NjJlLWQ5YWNlODgwZDI2ZSIsInVybCI6Imh0dHBzOi8vd3d3Lndhc2hpbmd0b25wb3N0LmNvbS9idXNpbmVzcy8yMDIxLzEwLzA1L2RvbmFsZC10cnVtcC1mb3JiZXMtNDAwLWxpc3QvIn0.uJrwcdJRdKIOtBKbcwkircw3QnHKPakXozHaJIiki44&itid=gfta)** > > Amazon founder Jeff Bezos tops the ranking for the fourth year running, followed by Tesla’s Elon Musk. > Donald Trump, a businessman, entertainer and former U.S. president whose personal brand has always been closely intertwined with his wealth, is no longer in the top tier of America’s richest people. > > At least not according to Forbes. > > The former president [was left off the Forbes 400](https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2021/10/05/donald-trump-falls-off-the-forbes-400-for-first-time-in-25-years/?sh=2eab91a6f62b) list of America’s richest people for the first time in a quarter-century, the magazine reported Tuesday. > > The business magazine estimates his net worth fell by about $600 million during the [coronavirus](https://www.washingtonpost.com/coronavirus/?itid=lk_inline_manual_6) pandemic as big-city properties — the core of his assets — lost value, leaving him with a $2.5 billion fortune. The 400th entry on Forbes’s list, the Arkansas-based investment banker Warren Stephens, logged a net worth of $2.9 billion by comparison. > … Even worse: > Amazon founder Jeff Bezos, with an estimated net worth of $201 billion, topped the list for the fourth year in a row, Forbes said. Trump sues Forbes in 3…2…1… 💥 ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2021, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-cf-and-on-going-trump-outrages/933746/669 "2021-10-08T20:48:14Z")
What?? He lied?? 😱 > **[Documents show Trump lost millions operating D.C. hotel](https://www.npr.org/2021/10/08/1044353549/trump-lost-millions-d-c-hotel-emoluments-clause)** > > The Trump International Hotel incurred tens of millions in losses, while the former president claimed it was making money, according to a new cache of documents released by congressional Democrats. > … > The panel said Trump claimed the hotel, on Pennsylvania Avenue a few blocks from the White House, generated $150 million in revenue during his time in office. But it said that Trump “grossly exaggerated the financial health” of the hotel and that his company had to inject $24 million to aid the facility. > … Eh- plus $150 million, minus $24 million. Same difference. > … > The [committee also found](https://oversight.house.gov/sites/democrats.oversight.house.gov/files/2021-10-08.CBM%20GEC%20to%20Carnahan-GSA%20re%20Old%20Post%20Office%20Building%20Lease.pdf) that Trump received preferential treatment from Deutsche Bank, the German financial institution, which allowed Trump to delay making payments on the principal of a $170 million loan for six years. The panel says Trump personally guaranteed that loan. It also says Trump did not disclose “this significant benefit from a foreign bank” while he was president. > … Try delaying some of _your_ payments for six years. > … > Also while he was president, the committee says, the hotel received an estimated $3.7 million from foreign governments that rented rooms in the facility, “raising concerns about possible violations of the Constitution’s Foreign Emoluments Clause.”’ > … You don’t say. 🤔 The rest of the article has some interesting, nauseating, and unsurprising details about trump’s finances. Which will not result in any consequences to him. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2021, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-cf-and-on-going-trump-outrages/933746/670 "2021-10-08T20:58:45Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Which will not result in any consequences to him. This is correct. Shameful, and infuriating, but correct. Al Capone is looking down, or up, and just scratching his fat cheeked head. ---
**Author:** ![74westy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/74westy/32/3950_2.png) [@74westy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/74westy)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2021, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-cf-and-on-going-trump-outrages/933746/671 "2021-10-08T21:01:10Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > > … > > The [committee also found](https://oversight.house.gov/sites/democrats.oversight.house.gov/files/2021-10-08.CBM%20GEC%20to%20Carnahan-GSA%20re%20Old%20Post%20Office%20Building%20Lease.pdf) that Trump received preferential treatment from Deutsche Bank, the German financial institution, which allowed Trump to delay making payments on the principal of a $170 million loan for six years. The panel says Trump personally guaranteed that loan. It also says Trump did not disclose “this significant benefit from a foreign bank” while he was president. > > … > > Try delaying some of _your_ payments for six years. This is a fundamental paradox of banking. If the bank lends you $1,000 it owns you. If the back lends you $170 million you own it. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2021, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-cf-and-on-going-trump-outrages/933746/672 "2021-10-08T21:17:09Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Eh- plus $150 million, minus $24 million. Same difference. Revenue is not profit. $150 million revenue - $100 million expenses -$74 million paid to Trump Organization = $24 million loss ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2021, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-cf-and-on-going-trump-outrages/933746/673 "2021-10-08T21:19:01Z")
> [@74westy](#): > > If the back lends you $170 million you own it. Deutsche Bank assets are 1.3 trillion Euros, which is over 1.5 trillion dollars. If my math is correct (always in doubt), Trump’s loan is less than .01% of the bank’s assets. Certainly a large customer, but the bank could survive without the repayment. ---
**Author:** ![Wolf333](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolf333/32/3460_2.png) [@Wolf333](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolf333)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2021, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-cf-and-on-going-trump-outrages/933746/674 "2021-10-08T21:42:49Z")
The contract would be given to a company in Idaho with two employees and a post office box. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2021, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-cf-and-on-going-trump-outrages/933746/675 "2021-10-08T22:49:29Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > Certainly a large customer, but the bank could survive without the repayment. I do not believe that is what he meant. I believe he meant that a bank will bend over backwards for such customers(as they already have). Certain employees will have their heads lopped off if he defaults on a loan like that. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2021, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-cf-and-on-going-trump-outrages/933746/676 "2021-10-08T23:54:15Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > I believe he meant that a bank will bend over backwards for such customers(as they already have). Oh, I don’t disagree. But it’s not like the bank must have that loan repaid to keep their doors open. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2021, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-cf-and-on-going-trump-outrages/933746/677 "2021-10-09T23:33:57Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > Oh, I don’t disagree. But it’s not like the bank must have that loan repaid to keep their doors open. Depends on which regulatory regime applies. Failure to do due diligence on your customers can at the very least land you with a hefty fine ([as this week’s UK news shows](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58826491)). The US regulations are a little looser but the regulators tend to hit harder when they do swing at something. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2021, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-cf-and-on-going-trump-outrages/933746/678 "2021-10-13T23:56:37Z")
I’m not actually outraged; but I am amused. > **[Trump Urges Republicans to Sit Out Coming Elections](https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-urges-republicans-sit-coming-214714254.html)** > > Former President Trump is urging Republicans not to vote in upcoming elections unless the "fraud" of the 2020 elections is uncovered. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2021, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-cf-and-on-going-trump-outrages/933746/679 "2021-10-14T00:01:07Z")
I am with the former President on this. They should all boycott the elections. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2021, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-cf-and-on-going-trump-outrages/933746/680 "2021-10-14T00:03:36Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > I’m not actually outraged; but I am amused. - > > [Trump Urges Republicans to Sit Out Coming Elections](https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-urges-republicans-sit-coming-214714254.html) Certainly Twitter was gleeful over this, but I’m not so sure it’s cause for celebration, either of Trump’s stupidity or of the prospect of massive Democratic wins. If enough GOP-dominated states pass laws that permit legislatures or election boards to declare any election “fraudulent” and thereby to appoint whomever they wish to office, then the gleeful will realize they’ve been had. Certainly such laws would work best if, say, election returns showed 90% Democratic votes in areas in which previous contests had been much closer. So there may well be advice from the Federalist Society and other anti-democracy advocates behind Donald’s apparent gaffe. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2021, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-cf-and-on-going-trump-outrages/933746/681 "2021-10-14T00:24:06Z")
So having more Republican voters is good for Republicans, and having more Democratic voters is good for Republicans? Why are we even bothering, then? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-cf-and-on-going-trump-outrages/933746.md?page=33) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-cf-and-on-going-trump-outrages/933746.md?page=35)