# Post CF and on-going Trump outrages **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 25, 2021, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-cf-and-on-going-trump-outrages/933746 "2021-02-25T21:48:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 36
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2021, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-cf-and-on-going-trump-outrages/933746/702 "2021-10-25T22:54:09Z")
Just one word, Ben… …tulips. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2021, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-cf-and-on-going-trump-outrages/933746/703 "2021-11-10T04:49:04Z")
More pettiness from Little Donnie Fail-Fail [emphasis mine]. > **[Mitch McConnell lauds Biden's infrastructure law as 'a godsend for Kentucky'...](https://www.yahoo.com/news/mitch-mcconnell-calls-bidens-infrastructure-174903425.html)** > > McConnell is paying little mind to Trump as he touts the infrastructure bill's benefits in Kentucky. He was among 19 Senate Republicans who backed it. > Yet former President Donald Trump has repeatedly slammed the infrastructure bill and urged Republicans to oppose it, arguing **it would deliver Biden a major legislative win.** Yeah, never mind that it’s good for the country. Never mind that the Congress is doing something that helps both parties. It makes Biden look good, so it’s anathema. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2021, 7:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-cf-and-on-going-trump-outrages/933746/704 "2021-11-10T07:13:10Z")
Judge Tanya S. Chutkan does not seem to be a MAGAt. When lawyers for CFEFWSG tried to convince her that his records are protected under the umbrella of executive privilege, she said, _not gonna enjoin their release_ (to the Congressional Jan 6 commission, not just everyone). > [@Judge Chutkan's ruling](#): > > At bottom, this is a dispute between a former and incumbent President. And the Supreme Court has already made clear that in such circumstances, the incumbent’s view is accorded greater weight. This principle is grounded in “the fact that the privilege is seen as inhering in the institution of the Presidency, and not in the President personally.” … Only “the incumbent is charged with performance of the executive duty under the Constitution.” …. And it is the incumbent who is “in the best position to assess the present and future needs of the Executive Branch, and to support invocation of the privilege accordingly.” > > Plaintiff does not acknowledge the deference owed to the incumbent President’s judgment. His position that he may override the express will of the executive branch appears to be premised on the notion that his executive power “exists in perpetuity.” … But Presidents are not kings, and Plaintiff is not President. He retains the right to assert that his records are privileged, but the incumbent President “is not constitutionally obliged to honor” that assertion. [The Ruling (39 pg pdf)](https://ecf.dcd.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/show_public_doc?2021cv2769-35) ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2021, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-cf-and-on-going-trump-outrages/933746/705 "2021-11-10T14:14:04Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > [Business Insider] > [Mitch McConnell lauds Biden's infrastructure law as 'a godsend for Kentucky' as Trump attacks him for backing it](https://www.yahoo.com/news/mitch-mcconnell-calls-bidens-infrastructure-174903425.html) WHOA! _ThelmaLou runs to the window expecting to see the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse galloping across the sky._ > [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > Yeah, never mind that it’s good for the country. Never mind that the Congress is doing something that helps both parties. It makes Biden look good, so it’s anathema. Each of these is something trumpy opposes on principle (to the extent that he has principles): 1. Good for the country so it must be bad for me. Anything that is good for anyone else automatically takes something away from me. 2. Both parties should never work together for any reason. They should always be at war. Just like my people must always compete with each other for my favor, to the death if it pleases me. The more ~~blood~~ lawsuits, the better. Chaos is the word! 3. If a Democrat looks good, that’s bad. If Sleepy Joe looks good, that’s bad times… er…times a very big number that my staff will work out. We’ll get back to you with that in two weeks. ---
**Author:** ![Jihi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jihi/32/17768_2.png) [@Jihi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jihi)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2021, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-cf-and-on-going-trump-outrages/933746/706 "2021-11-10T16:24:04Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Both parties should never work together for any reason. They should always be at war. Just like my people must always compete with each other for my favor, to the death if it pleases me. The more ~~blood~~ lawsuits, the better. Chaos is the word! Ya know, I’ve read a million times before about how Trump’s “management style” hinges on maintaining internal conflict among subordinates at all times. It really does explain quite a bit. Chaos for the sake of chaos. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2021, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-cf-and-on-going-trump-outrages/933746/707 "2021-11-10T18:09:32Z")
That “style” _gag_ makes an internal coup less likely because nobody really trusts anybody at any level. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2021, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-cf-and-on-going-trump-outrages/933746/708 "2021-11-10T18:31:13Z")
> [@Jihi](#): > > Ya know, I’ve read a million times before about how Trump’s “management style” hinges on maintaining internal conflict among subordinates at all times. You know who else used that leadership style? Yeah, [him](https://alphahistory.com/nazigermany/the-nazi-state/). ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2021, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-cf-and-on-going-trump-outrages/933746/709 "2021-11-10T19:07:08Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > That “style” _gag_ makes an internal coup less likely because nobody really trusts anybody at any level. Yeah but I think that more of it is just a bully being a bully. ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2021, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-cf-and-on-going-trump-outrages/933746/710 "2021-11-10T21:24:51Z")
It also tends to prevent opposition from coalescing within the ranks. If everyone is at one anothers’ throats, it’s difficult to find common ground even if everyone knows individually that Dear Leader is heading them off a cliff. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2021, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-cf-and-on-going-trump-outrages/933746/711 "2021-11-10T22:22:56Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > That “style” _gag_ makes an internal coup less likely because nobody really trusts anybody at any level. Ummm… is this thing on? \<_tap, tap_\> ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2021, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-cf-and-on-going-trump-outrages/933746/712 "2021-11-11T18:20:41Z")
Individual 1 announced today that he is running his own foreign policy. > **[Americans And Experts Alike Shocked Over Trump's Announcement Regarding His...](https://polinews.org/americans-and-experts-alike-shocked-over-trumps-announcement-regarding-his-envoy-ambassador-conducting-foreign-policy-appears-to-be-in-violation-of-the-law-trump-is-running-his-own-shadow-go/)** > > What fresh hell is this? ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2021, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-cf-and-on-going-trump-outrages/933746/713 "2021-11-11T19:17:51Z")
Can we just build him a Tru(mp)man Show dome already? ---
**Author:** ![Jihi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jihi/32/17768_2.png) [@Jihi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jihi)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2021, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-cf-and-on-going-trump-outrages/933746/714 "2021-11-11T19:31:39Z")
Have to keep the Q supporters opening their wallets. If they don’t see little donny fail fail doing things like this they might start to wonder if he actually isn’t a loser in control of nothing. Can’t say I’m surprised honestly. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2021, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-cf-and-on-going-trump-outrages/933746/715 "2021-11-11T19:46:24Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Individual 1 announced today that he is running his own foreign policy. That’s blatantly illegal. Is the AG going to actually DO something this time, or just more hang wringing? ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2021, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-cf-and-on-going-trump-outrages/933746/716 "2021-11-11T19:58:44Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Individual 1 announced today that he is running his own foreign policy. > > > ### [Americans And Experts Alike Shocked Over Trump’s Announcement Regarding His…](https://polinews.org/americans-and-experts-alike-shocked-over-trumps-announcement-regarding-his-envoy-ambassador-conducting-foreign-policy-appears-to-be-in-violation-of-the-law-trump-is-running-his-own-shadow-go/) > > > > What fresh hell is this? Not that I don’t have the greatest faith in the world in the [Political Tribune](https://polinews.org/about/), but this appears on their “about” page: > … > Sheila is the Editor In Chief Of Political Tribune. Her love for politics started only 5 years ago > … > Andrea is the primary writer for Political Tribune. She’s been at this for four years > … > Conover is a seasoned veteran in the political field. She’s been writing for about 10 years now > … I know that journalistic credibility doesn’t **demand** that you be an _éminence grise_, but golly. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2021, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-cf-and-on-going-trump-outrages/933746/717 "2021-11-11T20:04:22Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Individual 1 announced today that he is running his own foreign policy. He’s just lining up Russian hookers. Melania is probably relieved. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2021, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-cf-and-on-going-trump-outrages/933746/718 "2021-11-11T20:25:24Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > That’s blatantly illegal. > > Is the AG going to actually DO something this time, or just more hang wringing? We could see a wagging finger this time. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2021, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-cf-and-on-going-trump-outrages/933746/719 "2021-11-11T20:31:20Z")
So what happens in Belarus or Ukraine or wherever when Trump sends an “ambassador” there? Does this “ambassador” actually try to engage with them in negotiations of any kind? Do the officials in Belarus or Ukraine or wherever pay any attention to such an unofficial “ambassador”? Do they even pretend to humor him? Or just blow him off? Do they create “treaties” or other agreements that the Biden administration is then embarrassed to have to repudiate them? ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2021, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-cf-and-on-going-trump-outrages/933746/720 "2021-11-11T20:56:45Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > Do they create “treaties” or other agreements that the Biden administration is then embarrassed to have to repudiate them? Presumably the Biden administration is smart enough to say “What you talkin’ 'bout, Willis?” if anyone mentions an agreement made by the Trump shadow administration. Laughing and pointing at whatever envoy brought it up would seem to be in order also. ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2021, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-cf-and-on-going-trump-outrages/933746/721 "2021-11-11T22:16:45Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Not that I don’t have the greatest faith in the world in the [Political Tribune](https://polinews.org/about/), but this appears on their “about” page: The Independent is also reporting the same story. > **[Trump raises eyebrows by claiming he has sent his ‘envoy ambassador’ to Serbia](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-ric-grenell-envoy-ambassador-b1956181.html)** > > Is Donald Trump conducting shadow foreign diplomacy? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-cf-and-on-going-trump-outrages/933746.md?page=35) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/post-cf-and-on-going-trump-outrages/933746.md?page=37)