# Posters you can't stand. Pit rules f\*\*\*ing apply!

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**Category:** The BBQ Pit\
**Created:** [December 20, 2008, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/posters-you-cant-stand-pit-rules-f-ing-apply/478003 "2008-12-20T00:14:16Z")\
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**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\
**Post date:** [December 21, 2008, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/posters-you-cant-stand-pit-rules-f-ing-apply/478003/321 "2008-12-21T15:26:06Z")

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> [@panache45](#):
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> Seriously, man, you have no idea how stupid this comes across. Really.

I’m afraid that, in fact, he might.

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**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\
**Post date:** [December 21, 2008, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/posters-you-cant-stand-pit-rules-f-ing-apply/478003/322 "2008-12-21T15:29:46Z")

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> [@CrazyChop](#):
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> The issue is - are you deliberately spreading misinformation, or are you simply ignorant? Anyway, Let me take up on your offer - [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10596257&postcount=32). What form of mental illness do you judge to be insanity?

I’m a little confused. Do you dispute that marriage is difficult? Do you dispute that a spouse with mental problems can make the marriage more difficult?

Even if you do, it’s mainly a matter of opinion.

What exactly is the “misinformation” that I am spreading here?

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**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\
**Post date:** [December 21, 2008, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/posters-you-cant-stand-pit-rules-f-ing-apply/478003/323 "2008-12-21T15:36:13Z")

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> [@brazil84](#):
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> I’m a little confused. Do you dispute that marriage is difficult? Do you dispute that a spouse with mental problems can make the marriage more difficult?
> 
> Even if you do, it’s mainly a matter of opinion.
> 
> What exactly is the “misinformation” that I am spreading here?

To follow up on my last post, is the problem that I used the word “sane” to describe somebody without significant mental problems?

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**Author:** ![fisha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@fisha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fisha)\
**Post date:** [December 21, 2008, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/posters-you-cant-stand-pit-rules-f-ing-apply/478003/324 "2008-12-21T15:40:50Z")

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> [@Liberal](#):
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> The only run-ins I can recall having with you are those that surfaced when you wanted so desperately to live my life, but were stubbornly unwilling to pay my mortgage.

Was it life or wife?

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**Author:** ![Crowbar\_of\_Irony\_3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f08c70/32.png) [@Crowbar\_of\_Irony\_3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crowbar_of_Irony_3)\
**Post date:** [December 21, 2008, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/posters-you-cant-stand-pit-rules-f-ing-apply/478003/325 "2008-12-21T17:54:02Z")

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> [@brazil84](#):
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> I’m a little confused. Do you dispute that marriage is difficult? Do you dispute that a spouse with mental problems can make the marriage more difficult?
> 
> Even if you do, it’s mainly a matter of opinion.
> 
> What exactly is the “misinformation” that I am spreading here?

None of the above, just like to point out

1. The thread in question is in GQ. Not to derail it, I may as well ask now - _cite_?
2. I am claiming that you are calling people with mental problems _insane_. See below

> [@brazil84](#):
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> To follow up on my last post, is the problem that I used the word “sane” to describe somebody without significant mental problems?

Ergo, so those with mental problems are…?

(I see that you have the word “significant” there. You didn’t use that quantifier in the linked post. Is that a clarification? Plus, read it together with what you were responding to. You agree with it 100%).

Well, to be fair, everyone definitely got some stuff wrong or post an opinion when a factual question is asked, but you did throw down the gauntlet, so I bring on the nit-picks.

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**Author:** ![George\_Kaplin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/3e96dc/32.png) [@George\_Kaplin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/George_Kaplin)\
**Post date:** [December 21, 2008, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/posters-you-cant-stand-pit-rules-f-ing-apply/478003/326 "2008-12-21T17:56:50Z")

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You wanna know why _I_ hate you, **brazil**? It’s not because you’re obtuse, sometimes wilfully so, and it’s nothing to do with anything you’ve posted in any AGW threads, it’s because of this shit:

> [@brazil84](#):
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> _1._ **Lol.** I thought you were done with me. Anyway, see my previous post, liar-boy.
> 
> _2._ **Lol.** Of course you don’t.
> 
> _3._ **Lol.** Because anyone who dares to accuse Al Gore of hypocrisy (and back it up with facts and argument) must be a douchebag. And dishonest. Or something like that.
> 
> _4._ **Lol.** I thought you were done with me.

Now, answer me honestly, when you typed the above statements, were you _actually_ laughing out loud? Did the posts to which you were responding _genuinely_ elicit four separate great big rumbling gut laughs? Or do you think you’re a twelve year old girl, that you’re in a chatroom, and that this Lol shit is anything other than incredibly fucking irritating?

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**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\
**Post date:** [December 21, 2008, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/posters-you-cant-stand-pit-rules-f-ing-apply/478003/327 "2008-12-21T18:18:30Z")

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> [@CrazyChop](#):
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> None of the above, just like to point out
> 
> 1. The thread in question is in GQ. Not to derail it, I may as well ask now - _cite_?

Cite for what, exactly?

> [@](#):
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> I am claiming that you are calling people with mental problems _insane_. See below

Re-read the post. I’m using the word “sane” to refer to people who are not mentally ill. Or, if you like, people who are lacking in significant mental problems.

If you prefer to define the word “sane” differently, please feel free to do so.

> [@](#):
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> (I see that you have the word “significant” there. You didn’t use that quantifier in the linked post.

That’s correct, and the phrase “mental problems” doesn’t occur in that post either. To me, “mentally ill” is synonymous with “having significant mental problems”

> [@](#):
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> Is that a clarification?

If you like.

> [@](#):
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> Plus, read it together with what you were responding to. You agree with it 100%).

And what I was responding to did not include the phrase “mental problems”

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**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\
**Post date:** [December 21, 2008, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/posters-you-cant-stand-pit-rules-f-ing-apply/478003/328 "2008-12-21T18:42:38Z")

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> [@Liberal](#):
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> The only run-ins I can recall having with you are those that surfaced when you wanted so desperately to live my life, but were stubbornly unwilling to pay my mortgage.

Your take and I don’t wish to argue it as it is long over but overall despite past arguments that ran for many long threads, we don’t have a problem with each other on a day to day basis and respond to each others posts in general and politely. In some threads we agree and in others we do not. To me, at this point what problems we had were not only in the past but in specific threads (or groups of related threads) and it is all water under the bridge.

Of course it did not hurt when you magnanimously withdrew your condition that led to our loudest disagreement. You were quite the [mensch](http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/mensch)after all the grief you took.

I think you will agree that even at the most heated moments I never once treated you the way I treat Brazil the Astroturfer.

Jim

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**Author:** ![Dan\_Norder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4af34b/32.png) [@Dan\_Norder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dan_Norder)\
**Post date:** [December 21, 2008, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/posters-you-cant-stand-pit-rules-f-ing-apply/478003/329 "2008-12-21T19:11:00Z")

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Posters I can’t stand include any fucktard who cites fucking URBAN DICTIONARY (a.k.a. made up words by any bored teenager who comes along) and a poorly edited Wikipedia page with absolutely no sources to back it up as if they were somehow reliable

Bible basher means someone who is anti-Christian. Anyone who takes two websites freely edited by any moron who comes along as proof to the contrary should be fucking kicked off a site supposedly devoted to fighting ignorance. You might as well be arguing based upon what you think your brother’s hairdresser’s mechanic thought he read once.

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**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\
**Post date:** [December 21, 2008, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/posters-you-cant-stand-pit-rules-f-ing-apply/478003/330 "2008-12-21T19:12:04Z")

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> [@Guinastasia](#):
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> So, crass and vulgar music is the worst you can find, **Starving Artist**?

It’s neither the worst nor the only thing I can find. Nor is it “PROOF”, as you so stupidly put it upthread. It is an _example_, an illustration of what has become of life in this country today.

Even more annoying than you’re well-deserved reputation for me-too posting is your lack of comprehension and asking stupid, accusatory questions based on false, knee-jerk assumptions.

> [@Guinastasia](#):
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> Worse than hurling racial slurs and Jim Crow laws? Mmmmkay

Did you even read my response regarding this? Only ignorant people or gullible, unthinking tools believe the history revisionist claim that trailer-parking the country was necessary in order to eliminate racism. In other words, it’s an _excuse_ not an explanation. (I can supply a link to Merriam Webster if you need to look up the difference.)

> [@Guinastasia](#):
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> Now, then, speaking of stupid posters, is **SHAKES** still around?

I don’t know, why? You’re hoping for company, perhaps?

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**Author:** ![Helen\_s\_Eidolon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Helen\_s\_Eidolon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helen_s_Eidolon)\
**Post date:** [December 21, 2008, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/posters-you-cant-stand-pit-rules-f-ing-apply/478003/331 "2008-12-21T19:13:27Z")

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This is only relevant five pages ago, but I came in late. Sorry.

**even sven** , before you left with the Peace Corps, you used to drive me insane. Now I find myself being interested in everything you write and agreeing with more than 90% of it. I wouldn’t worry too much about improving your posting at this point - you already have.

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**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\
**Post date:** [December 21, 2008, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/posters-you-cant-stand-pit-rules-f-ing-apply/478003/332 "2008-12-21T19:24:17Z")

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> [@ivan\_astikov](#):
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> Some advances haven’t been so great!
> 
> [Fifties](http://dallasvintageshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/50-s-ladies.JPG)
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> [Now](http://www.wellbanklochans.co.uk/acatalog/LadiesMoleskinTrsC7.JPG)

Nor are they typical.

The women in the first photo look like modern day girls dressed up in what they think was typical of women in the sixties, and the women in the second photo look like models (not that there’s anything wrong with that :D) in casual European dress.

> [@brazil84](#):
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> [another view](http://www.neatorama.com/images/2006-05/positive-proof-global-warming-underwear.jpg)

So, where’s 2008? 😉

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**Author:** ![descamisado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@descamisado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/descamisado)\
**Post date:** [December 21, 2008, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/posters-you-cant-stand-pit-rules-f-ing-apply/478003/333 "2008-12-21T19:34:59Z")

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> [@Dan\_Norder](#):
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> Posters I can’t stand include any fucktard who cites fucking URBAN DICTIONARY (a.k.a. made up words by any bored teenager who comes along) and a poorly edited Wikipedia page with absolutely no sources to back it up as if they were somehow reliable
> 
> **Bible basher means someone who is anti-Christian.** Anyone who takes two websites freely edited by any moron who comes along as proof to the contrary should be fucking kicked off a site supposedly devoted to fighting ignorance. You might as well be arguing based upon what you think your brother’s hairdresser’s mechanic thought he read once.

Can you provide a cite for the bolded part? Otherwise, fuck you, neanderthal. I could find no cites for your claim of a definition – can you? I realize that the word _bash_ or _basher_ following other words would usually lead to this conclusion but unfortunately for you, this one has taken another turn and meaning.

Would these sources supporting the other definitions and help you and others here get your willful heads out of the sand and come to an understanding of how “popular usage” works – and how words develop through popular usage and eventually get listed in Merriam Webster’s and other mainstream dictionaries?

[http://encarta.msn.com/dictionary\_561511936/bible-basher.html](http://encarta.msn.com/dictionary_561511936/bible-basher.html)

[http://www.allwords.com/word-Bible+basher.html](http://www.allwords.com/word-Bible+basher.html)

[http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/Bible-basher](http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/Bible-basher)

[http://dictionary.reverso.net/english-definitions/Bible-basher](http://dictionary.reverso.net/english-definitions/Bible-basher)

Although, Merriam Webster does not yet list this usage and without even beginning ot attempt to correct your understanding of how Urbandictionary and Wikipedia work, these listing stand because they have become a part of popular usage.

You’ve provided no cites for anything you’ve posted and I’ve provided six. What is this word fucktard of which you speak? I see Urbandictionary has it listed so it must not really exist. Right? [Urban Dictionary: fucktards](http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fucktards).

In the meantime, you can have a suck on my Johnson. And despite what you might insist I mean, I’m not talking about my cousin Ben.

Oh, and I can’t stand idiots.

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**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\
**Post date:** [December 21, 2008, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/posters-you-cant-stand-pit-rules-f-ing-apply/478003/334 "2008-12-21T19:36:22Z")

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> [@Starving\_Artist](#):
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> So, where’s 2008? 😉

As the old poem goes:

A trend is a trend is a trend,  
The question is, will it bend?  
Or change its course,  
Through some unforeseen force,  
Or carry along to its end.

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**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\
**Post date:** [December 21, 2008, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/posters-you-cant-stand-pit-rules-f-ing-apply/478003/335 "2008-12-21T19:38:52Z")

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> [@Starving\_Artist](#):
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> It’s neither the worst nor the only thing I can find. Nor is it “PROOF”, as you so stupidly put it upthread. It is an _example_, an illustration of what has become of life in this country today.

So I take it you with draw your claim the conservatives are polite? I don’t think Ms Manors would approve of calling someone stupid.

> [@](#):
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> Even more annoying than you’re well-deserved reputation for me-too posting is your lack of comprehension and asking stupid, accusatory questions based on false, knee-jerk assumptions.
> 
> Did you even read my response regarding this? Only ignorant people or gullible, unthinking tools believe the history revisionist claim that trailer-parking the country was necessary in order to eliminate racism. In other words, it’s an _excuse_ not an explanation. (I can supply a link to Merriam Webster if you need to look up the difference.)
> 
> I don’t know, why? You’re hoping for company, perhaps?

Nor would she approve of calling someone a “tool”.

I’d like a cite that liberals live in trailer parks btw.

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**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\
**Post date:** [December 21, 2008, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/posters-you-cant-stand-pit-rules-f-ing-apply/478003/336 "2008-12-21T19:40:03Z")

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> [@brazil84](#):
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> As the old poem goes:
> 
> A trend is a trend is a trend,  
> The question is, will it bend?  
> Or change its course,  
> Through some unforeseen force,  
> Or carry along to its end.

🙂

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**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\
**Post date:** [December 21, 2008, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/posters-you-cant-stand-pit-rules-f-ing-apply/478003/337 "2008-12-21T19:52:45Z")

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> [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](#):
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> …I’d like a cite that liberals live in trailer parks btw.

No, _radicals_ live in trailer parks. Liberals live in condos.

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**Author:** ![Dan\_Norder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4af34b/32.png) [@Dan\_Norder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dan_Norder)\
**Post date:** [December 21, 2008, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/posters-you-cant-stand-pit-rules-f-ing-apply/478003/338 "2008-12-21T19:53:10Z")

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Let me add to my list of posters I can’t stand:

Those posters who try to use more internet sites to try to prove something (a site mentioning UseNET posts, marvelous) they already failed at.

Those who can’t understand that saying something is unreliable means everything in it must be false and that if you can find something in it and declare it right that everythign in it must be right.

And, most especially, the total dickwads who assume that “common error” equals “popular usage” equals “just as right as the thing that’s actually right.”

Being wrong frequently doesn’t suddenly make you right. Anyone who makes that argument should be shot. If decades or years from from now so many people are wrong on a word usage that nobody knows that it was ever wrong, then it’s a change in the language. When people use a word to mean the exact opposite of the accepted usage (like literal to mean figurative etc.) then they are just idiots. And you can believe all you want in the magic power of idiots banding together to try to pretend they aren’t wrong suddenly prevailing over the rest of the world, but that’s not going to change the fact that you are an idiot.

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**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\
**Post date:** [December 21, 2008, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/posters-you-cant-stand-pit-rules-f-ing-apply/478003/339 "2008-12-21T19:57:11Z")

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> [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](#):
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> So I take it you with draw your claim the conservatives are polite? I don’t think Ms Manors would approve of calling someone stupid.
> 
> Nor would she approve of calling someone a “tool”.

Well, when in Rome and all that.

Which, come to think of it, goes to point out yet another way this society has been eroded the last fifty years…even us conservatives are less well behaved as we get drug inexorably down the drain of scuzzbuggery that has been the result of liberal influence on this society the last fifty years.

> [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](#):
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> I’d like a cite that liberals live in trailer parks btw.

I’m sure you would. But since I never claimed they did, I think I’ll decline.

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**Author:** ![Mosier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ea924/32.png) [@Mosier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mosier)\
**Post date:** [December 21, 2008, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/posters-you-cant-stand-pit-rules-f-ing-apply/478003/340 "2008-12-21T20:04:34Z")

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Brazil84 is maddeningly convinced he’s the pleasant one and everyone else is irritating. DerTrihs oozes accusational finger-pointing in every post, and can’t seem to see the hypocrisy of his advocating mass murder. I don’t think there’s anyone else that annoys me as much as these two, but brazil84 is harmless. I’m actually afraid of DerTrihs.

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