# Potential reason for Shuttle crash begins to emerge **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [February 2, 2003, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potential-reason-for-shuttle-crash-begins-to-emerge/152312 "2003-02-02T15:52:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2003, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potential-reason-for-shuttle-crash-begins-to-emerge/152312/1 "2003-02-02T15:52:17Z")
[Probe centers on takeoff mishap](http://www.msnbc.com/news/867336.asp?0cv=CA01) > [@](#): > > SENSOR FAILURES IN WING > Just a little over a minute into Columbia’s launch Jan. 16, a chunk of insulating foam peeled away from the external fuel tank and smacked into the left wing. > > ``` > Saturday, that same wing started exhibiting sensor failures and other problems 23 minutes before Columbia was scheduled to touch down. With just 16 minutes remaining before landing, the shuttle disintegrated over Texas. > Just a day earlier, on Friday, NASA’s lead flight director, Leroy Cain, had declared the launch-day incident to be no reason for concern. An extensive engineering analysis had concluded that any damage to Columbia’s thermal tiles would be minor. > “As we look at that now in hindsight ... we can’t discount that there might be a connection,” shuttle manager Ron Dittemore said hours after the tragedy Saturday. “But we have to caution you and ourselves that we can’t rush to judgment on it because there are a lot of things in this business that look like the smoking gun but turn out not even to be close.” > The shuttle has more than 20,000 thermal tiles to protect it from the extreme heat of re-entry into the atmosphere. The black, white or gray tiles are made of a carbon composite or silica-glass fibers and are attached to the shuttle with silicone adhesive. > > ``` ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2003, 12:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potential-reason-for-shuttle-crash-begins-to-emerge/152312/2 "2003-02-03T12:20:26Z")
from what they are saying on the news this morning, it appears they are leaning toward tiles. they say that they are checking everything and not ruling anything out. ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2003, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potential-reason-for-shuttle-crash-begins-to-emerge/152312/3 "2003-02-03T17:02:32Z")
There was a comment by a NASA official which seemed to indicate that it _might not_ have been a problem with the tiles. He didn’t want to push any conclusions, but it seemed possible to him that one of the doors covering the wheel on the left wing had come open or that there was a problem with the “flaps” on that side of the craft. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2003, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potential-reason-for-shuttle-crash-begins-to-emerge/152312/4 "2003-02-03T17:11:05Z")
> [@](#): > > He didn’t want to push any conclusions, but it seemed possible to him that one of the doors covering the wheel on the left wing had come open or that there was a problem with the “flaps” on that side of the craft. I heard the same thing on NPR this morning: that the failure could have started at the port landing gear door. What they said about the “flaps”, however, was not that they may have failed, but they were deployed more, on the port wing, than they had ever been deployed before. This would indicate some sort of drag on the port wing, which would have required more lift and thus more aileron (or flapperopn) deflection than normal. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2003, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potential-reason-for-shuttle-crash-begins-to-emerge/152312/5 "2003-02-03T17:12:07Z")
“flapperon”. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2003, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potential-reason-for-shuttle-crash-begins-to-emerge/152312/6 "2003-02-03T17:20:02Z")
Question about the breakup: We all heard the pilot’s last words. NASA said they received his message about the tire pressure and then the Husband saus, “Roger, buh…” This is followed by some intermittent static. Husband did not seem alarmed. His “Roger, buh…” sounded perfectly calm. I wonder if he was unaware of any major problem, and was just passing on information that he thought would be useful later? He was obviously cut off in mid-transmission. Could the intermittent static have been caused by Husband or some debris accidentally hitting the transmit button? In any case, it sounds as if the crew never knew what hit them. ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2003, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potential-reason-for-shuttle-crash-begins-to-emerge/152312/7 "2003-02-03T17:26:09Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Johnny L.A. \* > \*\*Question about the breakup: We all heard the pilot’s last words. NASA said they received his message about the tire pressure and then the Husband saus, “Roger, buh…” This is followed by some intermittent static. > > Husband did not seem alarmed. His “Roger, buh…” sounded perfectly calm. I wonder if he was unaware of any major problem, and was just passing on information that he thought would be useful later? He was obviously cut off in mid-transmission. Could the intermittent static have been caused by Husband or some debris accidentally hitting the transmit button? In any case, it sounds as if the crew never knew what hit them. \*\* Good question. The shuttle pretty much lands itself (IIRC, many of the recent landings have been done solely by the computer.) and I’ve always wondered if the astronauts would be paying as much attention to everything with the computer landing the shuttle as they would if they were actually piloting the thing in. Or it may have been that they knew there was a problem, but felt that if the computer couldn’t handle it, there was nothing that they could do, and just didn’t worry about it. ---
**Author:** ![lieu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c2a13f/32.png) [@lieu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lieu)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2003, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potential-reason-for-shuttle-crash-begins-to-emerge/152312/8 "2003-02-03T17:29:24Z")
It might be that some of the earliest debris to come off might be the most telling, as it might be more as a direct result of whatever started the critical failure. Even if this is true though, that doesn’t necessarily mean it would land furtherest west. Probably, but not decidedly so. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2003, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potential-reason-for-shuttle-crash-begins-to-emerge/152312/9 "2003-02-03T17:37:10Z")
There was a report that a man in California saw a piece of debris fall from the Shuttle as it passed overhead. Could be that the problem started earlier than the news thinks. (Which is almost always the case in aircraft accidents.) NASA is recovering 32 seconds of telemetry that computers rejected as “garbled”. There will probably be a clue in there. ---
**Author:** ![lieu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c2a13f/32.png) [@lieu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lieu)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2003, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potential-reason-for-shuttle-crash-begins-to-emerge/152312/10 "2003-02-03T17:51:43Z")
What was the weather like in San Francisco Saturday morning? The reason the debris cloud showed up so well on Central Texas radar is because skies were clear and they had the radar settings turned to “very sensitive”. Could we be lucky enough that San Fran enjoyed the same and that any debris shed there might possibly have emitted a radar blip, thus helping to refine our search for it? ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2003, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potential-reason-for-shuttle-crash-begins-to-emerge/152312/11 "2003-02-03T19:41:07Z")
there was mention on saturday about people seeing trouble when the shuttle was over calif. i remember on one of the news shows they had 2 men on that were watching the shuttle at an astro. lab in calif, and noticed irregularities. they seem to be homing in on the port wing and landing gear. perhaps the foam hit harder than anyone thought and knocked something off kilter. i would think it will be very difficult to find wreakage from that side of the vehicle. a spike of 60 degrees in temp. is quite a bit, the parts there had more time exposed to heat.