# Potential TMI: girls who like boys on boys **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [August 5, 2002, 6:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potential-tmi-girls-who-like-boys-on-boys/122400 "2002-08-05T06:41:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![VDarlin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/e56c9b/32.png) [@VDarlin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VDarlin)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2002, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potential-tmi-girls-who-like-boys-on-boys/122400/21 "2002-08-06T04:18:57Z")
Add me to the list - I’m a straight female(with some mild bi-sexual tendencies, although I’ve never acted on them, and probably never will), who absolutely loves man on man action. It’s nice to know that I’m not alone. ~V ---
**Author:** ![MrVisible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@MrVisible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrVisible)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2002, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potential-tmi-girls-who-like-boys-on-boys/122400/22 "2002-08-06T05:17:25Z")
I’m curious… what _type_ of man-on-man porn attracts women? There’s such a vast variety of it out there, I can’t help but wonder whether there’s a specific genre that attracts women more than others. I can’t, for instance, imagine that ‘bear’ porn is popular… ---
**Author:** ![Squish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8797f3/32.png) [@Squish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squish)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2002, 7:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potential-tmi-girls-who-like-boys-on-boys/122400/23 "2002-08-06T07:39:26Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Ringo \* > \*\*OK, I’ll bite (hmmm…, I don’t know about that in _this_ thread…). What _is_ slash writing? How about yaoi? \*\* Slash is male/male erotic fanfic, deriving its name from the slash between the character names (i.e., Kirk/Spock, Nicholas/LaCroix, Kai/Prince). I haven’t a clue what yaoi is, though. 🙂 **MrVisible** , I suspect the majority of women are attracted to fairly mainstream m/m porn, although I could be wrong. Also, just as in het erotica, many women prefer that there’s some sort of underlying romantic or psychological tension. I like the ice cream analogy… although it doesn’t explain why I fantasize that _I’m_ a man. ---
**Author:** ![elfkin477](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a9a28c/32.png) [@elfkin477](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elfkin477)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2002, 7:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potential-tmi-girls-who-like-boys-on-boys/122400/24 "2002-08-06T07:49:05Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Ringo \* > \*\*OK, I’ll bite (hmmm…, I don’t know about that in _this_ thread…). What _is_ slash writing? How about yaoi? \*\* _I make no claim to 100% accuracy here_ Well, in regards to Fanfiction writing, it’d be involving two straight (maybe not always both straight, but not both gay) characters in a romantic involvement. On the other hand, I have a gay character in my fics who is only involved with my orginal characters, so even though homosexuality is involved I wouldn’t call it slash. An example of BtVS slash would be a romantic entanglement between Giles and Spike . :eek: While I wouldn’t watch gay porn, I wouldn’t claim not to see the apeal of it. It’s certainly more of a turn on than 2 girls. ---
**Author:** ![Jabba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b5e925/32.png) [@Jabba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jabba)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2002, 12:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potential-tmi-girls-who-like-boys-on-boys/122400/25 "2002-08-06T12:02:56Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Sue Duhnym \* > Just had to add this: > by The Pet Shop Boys > Girls who want boys who like boys to be girls > Who do boys like they’re girls who do girls like they’re boys > Always should be someone you really love It was Blur; the song is Girls & Boys, from the _Parklife_ album. ---
**Author:** ![Jervoise](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d2c977/32.png) [@Jervoise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jervoise)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2002, 12:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potential-tmi-girls-who-like-boys-on-boys/122400/26 "2002-08-06T12:09:33Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Sue Duhnym \* > \*\*Just had to add this: > > > [@](#): > > > > _by The Pet Shop Boys_ > > Girls who want boys who like boys to be girls > > Who do boys like they’re girls who do girls like they’re boys > > Always should be someone you really love > > \*\* Uh, that would be Blur “Boys and Girls”. \*\* > [@](#): > > Girls who are boys > who like boys to be girls > who do boys like they’re girls > who do girls like they’re boys > always should be someone you really love \*\* ---
**Author:** ![Jervoise](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d2c977/32.png) [@Jervoise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jervoise)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2002, 12:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potential-tmi-girls-who-like-boys-on-boys/122400/27 "2002-08-06T12:10:42Z")
Damn you, **Jabba**! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Jervoise](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d2c977/32.png) [@Jervoise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jervoise)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2002, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potential-tmi-girls-who-like-boys-on-boys/122400/28 "2002-08-06T12:45:47Z")
Oh, and FWIW, many women I have known have been titilated by the idea of boys on boys. A group of female friends of mine even managed to convince my best friend and me on to kiss (I mean _really_ kiss!) in public. Alcohol had something to do with it, of course, but they seemed just as keen to see two men necking as my mate and I would have been to watch a couple girls going at it. I don’t see this as being any more mysterious to the traditional girl/girl fantasy many men hold. Part curiousity, part cheap thrills. All parties in the above anecdote were, and remain, heterosexual. FWIW. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Miss\_Mapp](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miss_mapp/32/369_2.png) [@Miss\_Mapp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miss_Mapp)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2002, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potential-tmi-girls-who-like-boys-on-boys/122400/29 "2002-08-06T13:46:03Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by MrVisible \* > **I’m curious… what _type_ of man-on-man porn attracts women? There’s such a vast variety of it out there, I can’t help but wonder whether there’s a specific genre that attracts women more than others.** I’ve never seen a hard-core gay porn video, but I have read gay fiction–that is, stories written by and for men, whereas I see slash being primarily by and for women (although I know gay men who write and enjoy it too). The tone of the two are a bit different. Reading, I tend to go for the literary stuff–E.M Forster’s _Maurice_ (although I much prefer the film to the book), James Baldwin, and I’ll even include Waugh’s _Brideshead Revisited_ in this category. I’m not terribly into visual media, but I do collect homeoerotic movies I like–the above-mentioned _Maurice_ is one of my favorites, _Gods and Monsters_, _Wilde_, and I got the first series of the British _Queer and Folk_ for my birthday last year. Writing slash, I write Deep Space Nine fanfic, mostly Garak/Bashir. Some of it is pretty mild, but others are explicit. I write under my real name, and am a tad reluctant to post it here; if anyone’s interested, please e-mail me and I’ll give you the URL for my website. For me, my interests are purely on the fictional. As a straight lady with haggish tendencies, I have a number of gay men-friends, but I’ve never looked to them for my sexual entertainment. I’ve always felt that that would be insulting–as if _their_ sexuality exists for _my_ amusement and I’m hanging around with them for voyueristic thrills. If gay friends kiss in front of me, I’ll treat it the same way I do when straight couples do. ---
**Author:** ![bobkitty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/c67d28/32.png) [@bobkitty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobkitty)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2002, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potential-tmi-girls-who-like-boys-on-boys/122400/30 "2002-08-06T17:54:32Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by elfkin477 \* > \*\*An example of BtVS slash would be a romantic entanglement between Giles and Spike . :eek: > \*\* That noise you heard was the sound of a kitten slowly being squeezed to death. 😉 Though when Angel and Spike get into their dom/sub vamp stuff… [sub]s’cuse me for a moment…[/sub] Count me in. The more penises (penii?) the better!!! Except when my friends are involved… I don’t get all hot and bothered when gay friends make out. I’ve often wondered if it’s a chemical thing… most of the women I know that feel likewise when it comes to g/g action have always joked about having more testosterone than they really need, and while it’s kind of a funny-ha-ha thing, I do wonder sometimes if it’s true. Anyone interested in starting a research study? I bet there are grants out there for this… think of all the porn we’d get to watch! 😉 **MrVisible** , I have a few gay porn tapes, and from what I’ve seen they’re “standard” fair. Pretty boys seducing one another, mostly. Can’t speak for everyone else though. And am I really the only one to notice **hillbilly’s** rather cryptic post? Spill, kid! ---
**Author:** ![Hamish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a5b964/32.png) [@Hamish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamish)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2002, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potential-tmi-girls-who-like-boys-on-boys/122400/31 "2002-08-06T21:32:55Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Ringo \* > \*\*OK, I’ll bite (hmmm…, I don’t know about that in _this_ thread…). What _is_ slash writing? How about yaoi? \*\* Slash has been explained, but I’ll explain YAOI. YAOI are Japanese comics (and increasingly cartoons) that feature sexual relationships between two men. Western fans, though, often use the term loosely to mean “gay relationships of any kind in anime/manga.” PG-rated YAOI (just romance, no sex) is more properly called _shounen ai_. YAOI is an acronym for _Yama nashi, imi nashi, ochi nashi_ – "“Without climax, without meaning, without resolution.” The running gag, though, is that it stands for “Yamete! Oshiri ga itai!” (“Ouch! My ass hurts!”) 😃 It’s been around for about thirty years in Japan, and it’s almost entirely by women, for women. It ranges from bad, hilarious soft-core (_Boku no Sexual Harassment_) to lurid, tortured romance-novels (_Zetsuai_) to light-hearted romantic comedy (_Kusatta Kyoushi no Houteishiki_). The one common element is that the men are all incredibly beautiful, and are almost always separated along strict sex-roles (a butch guy and a femme guy). Recently, it spawned a lesbian equivalent – _Yuri_ (“lily”). And the last ten years, both have spilled over into mainstream anime, so that when it comes over here and gets translated into English, certain lines are changed – which is to say censored. _Sailor Moon, Neon Genesis Evangelion_ and _Revolutionary Girl Utena_ were all censored for gay and lesbian content. Google YAOI, and you’ll get hundreds of sites. ---
**Author:** ![MeanJoe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanjoe/32/5693_2.png) [@MeanJoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanJoe)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2002, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potential-tmi-girls-who-like-boys-on-boys/122400/32 "2002-08-06T21:48:17Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally posted by Sue Duhnym > Just had to add this: > > * * * > > ## by The Pet Shop Boys Girls who want boys who like boys to be girls Who do boys like they’re girls who do girls like they’re boys Always should be someone you really love Bravo Sue! First I admired you for fashion tips including falconnable slacks, now THIS! _swoon_ 😃 > [@](#): > > Originally posted by Jabba > > Uh, that would be Blur “Boys and Girls”. Ah, I hate to hijack but wasn’t this originally a Pet Shop Boys track that was covered by Blur? Or do you propose it was the other way around? ---
**Author:** ![matt\_mcl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@matt\_mcl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/matt_mcl)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2002, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potential-tmi-girls-who-like-boys-on-boys/122400/33 "2002-08-06T22:01:41Z")
It’s a Blur tune - their album has a version remixed by PSB. > [@](#): > > Mr. Jane and I are reformed swingers striving to become poly, and even though he’s 100% straight, I still envision him holding some sweaty, cute little boy by the back of the neck while he…oh, wait. :eek: Oh, my. Are you taking applications? ---
**Author:** ![Squish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8797f3/32.png) [@Squish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squish)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2002, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potential-tmi-girls-who-like-boys-on-boys/122400/34 "2002-08-06T22:13:32Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by bobkitty \* > **most of the women I know that feel likewise when it comes to g/g action have always joked about having more testosterone than they really need, and while it’s kind of a funny-ha-ha thing, I do wonder sometimes if it’s true.** See, that’s what I was wondering in the OP. Although I love to dress up (got a new black PVC miniskirt yesterday that just barely covered my coochie, put it on with a tight sleeveless turtleneck, sheer black hose and my 20-eyelet, five-buckle, knee-high steel-toes… and the boyfriend took me out just to show me off 😃 ), wear make-up, do my hair–all that stuff–I’ve always had a strong “inner male.” Since it was quite a surprise to my parents and our doctor that I came out of the womb a girl, I wonder if I do somehow have higher testosterone levels? The kind of m/m stuff I like? It must have some sort of emotional or psychological tension, and although one of my favorite books involving this sort of thing is _The Persian Boy_ by Mary Renault, I prefer explicit sex. The slash I write (_Forever Knight_ and _LEXX_ for the most part) is always explicit. It turns me on and my readers like it. Sometimes I wonder if seemingly innocuous shows include homoerotic moments on purpose. Two examples: [ul] [li]In the _LEXX_ episode, Gigashadow, the character Kai has run out of the protoblood that sustains him. His pet scurries up with a tube of the stuff and dribbles it over Kai’s full lips. The camera closes in tight on Kai’s face as his eyes flutter open and he reaches up his fingers to wipe some of the protoblood off his face and put it in his mouth.[/li][li]Many episodes of _Forever Knight_, but here’s one moment: Nick (a blue-eyed blond with a mobile mouth) is hallucinating that he’s in a jail cell; his vampire master, LaCroix is dressed as a guard. LaCroix puts his hand through the bars to stroke Nick’s cheek and rather than pulling away, Nick just looks at him with childlike eyes.[/li][/ul] ---
**Author:** ![jane\_says](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/47e85d/32.png) [@jane\_says](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jane_says)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2002, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potential-tmi-girls-who-like-boys-on-boys/122400/35 "2002-08-06T22:17:14Z")
**Matt** , I’ll give you directions to my house for a personal interview. You just let me know when you’re available. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Squish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8797f3/32.png) [@Squish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squish)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2002, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potential-tmi-girls-who-like-boys-on-boys/122400/36 "2002-08-06T22:17:48Z")
BTW, **Miss Mapp** , where would I learn about these slash conventions? Any handy-dandy links would be appreciated. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Batsinma\_Belfry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ea5d25/32.png) [@Batsinma\_Belfry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Batsinma_Belfry)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2002, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potential-tmi-girls-who-like-boys-on-boys/122400/37 "2002-08-06T22:50:36Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by bobkitty \* > \*\* > > And am I really the only one to notice **hillbilly’s** rather cryptic post? Spill, kid! \*\* One word: **twins** 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Jabba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b5e925/32.png) [@Jabba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jabba)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2002, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potential-tmi-girls-who-like-boys-on-boys/122400/38 "2002-08-07T00:27:07Z")
**MeanJoe** : a) Although I posted a similar point, that was **Narrad** ’s post you quoted. b) **matt-mcl** has answered your specific question, but yes that is what I am proposing. The liner notes to _Parklife_ give for Girls & Boys: s[ong by]: Albarn. m[usic by] Albarn-Coxon-James-Rowntree. ---
**Author:** ![Miss\_Mapp](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miss_mapp/32/369_2.png) [@Miss\_Mapp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miss_Mapp)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2002, 11:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potential-tmi-girls-who-like-boys-on-boys/122400/39 "2002-08-07T11:19:57Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Squish \* > \*\*BTW, **Miss Mapp** , where would I learn about these slash conventions? Any handy-dandy links would be appreciated. 🙂 \*\* The one I go to is called Connexions. I’ll see if I can find online info for you. ---
**Author:** ![Morgainelf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/71e660/32.png) [@Morgainelf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgainelf)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2002, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potential-tmi-girls-who-like-boys-on-boys/122400/40 "2002-08-07T20:20:27Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by VDarlin \* > \*\*Add me to the list - I’m a straight female(with some mild bi-sexual tendencies, although I’ve never acted on them, and probably never will), who absolutely loves man on man action. It’s nice to know that I’m not alone. > > ~V \*\* From my brain through your keyboard. How does that happen? I agree with **Broken Doll**. With men it seems to be just pure, raw sex. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potential-tmi-girls-who-like-boys-on-boys/122400.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potential-tmi-girls-who-like-boys-on-boys/122400.md?page=3)