# POTUS sends 2,000 National Guard troops to L.A. to handle ICE protests - 6/7/2025 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [June 8, 2025, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potus-sends-2-000-national-guard-troops-to-l-a-to-handle-ice-protests-6-7-2025/1019320 "2025-06-08T04:23:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potus-sends-2-000-national-guard-troops-to-l-a-to-handle-ice-protests-6-7-2025/1019320/221 "2025-06-12T14:36:34Z")
If they’ve never actually received any orders to deploy, can’t they just go home? What did they receive, if not orders? ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potus-sends-2-000-national-guard-troops-to-l-a-to-handle-ice-protests-6-7-2025/1019320/222 "2025-06-12T19:22:47Z")
I’m sure this will calm things down: > **[Sen. Alex Padilla handcuffed after forced removal from DHS press conference](https://www.cnbc.com/2025/06/12/alex-padilla-noem-dhs-handcuffed.html)** ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potus-sends-2-000-national-guard-troops-to-l-a-to-handle-ice-protests-6-7-2025/1019320/223 "2025-06-12T19:27:13Z")
Yeah, I came here to mention this. [Here is a gift link to the NYT coverage.](https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/06/12/us/la-protests-trump-marines-ice/heres-the-latest?smid=url-share) I would point out Senator Padilla was in fact _ **forced to the ground** _, cuffed and removed for nothing more than shouting a question to Noem during her press conference. The autocracy is fully here for those who are still in denial. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potus-sends-2-000-national-guard-troops-to-l-a-to-handle-ice-protests-6-7-2025/1019320/224 "2025-06-12T19:27:29Z")
Wow! Putting a sitting senator into cuffs is certainly a new twist. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potus-sends-2-000-national-guard-troops-to-l-a-to-handle-ice-protests-6-7-2025/1019320/225 "2025-06-12T19:33:56Z")
Wow is an understatement. The authoritarian state is here. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potus-sends-2-000-national-guard-troops-to-l-a-to-handle-ice-protests-6-7-2025/1019320/226 "2025-06-12T20:26:13Z")
Here is a quote from Noem from that encounter: > “We are not going away. We are staying here to liberate this city from the socialist and the burdensome leadership that this governor and mayor have placed on this country and what they’ve tried to insert in this city." Who are these people? ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potus-sends-2-000-national-guard-troops-to-l-a-to-handle-ice-protests-6-7-2025/1019320/227 "2025-06-12T20:30:29Z")
Socialists. Marx was trying to restore things to the good old days when people worked with their hands, building stuff, rather than stuck doing effete, soulless work for nameless corporations cranking out cheap garbage. That appears to be the political agenda of Trump and Vance. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potus-sends-2-000-national-guard-troops-to-l-a-to-handle-ice-protests-6-7-2025/1019320/228 "2025-06-12T21:00:18Z")
The Trump agenda is as far from socialism as I can imagine. The Trump agenda is to cripple the system that would hold him accountable. Add in a good amount of racism and greed while he gets there. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potus-sends-2-000-national-guard-troops-to-l-a-to-handle-ice-protests-6-7-2025/1019320/229 "2025-06-12T21:04:10Z")
Neither the Great Leap Forward nor Lysenkoism came back to act some accountability on Mao nor Stalin. I’m not aware of any real-world link between Socialism and accountability, nor even of a philosophical one. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potus-sends-2-000-national-guard-troops-to-l-a-to-handle-ice-protests-6-7-2025/1019320/230 "2025-06-12T21:05:46Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > Marx was trying to restore things to the good old days when people worked with their hands, building stuff, rather than stuck doing effete, soulless work for nameless corporations cranking out cheap garbage. The Nazis also has similar “back to the land” ideas, and are a lot closer politically to Trump & company. “[Blood and Soil](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_and_soil)” and all that. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potus-sends-2-000-national-guard-troops-to-l-a-to-handle-ice-protests-6-7-2025/1019320/231 "2025-06-12T21:20:38Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > The Trump agenda is as far from socialism as I can imagine. There _are_ some eery similarities: [https://www.axios.com/2025/05/06/trump-tariffs-mao-communism-china](https://www.axios.com/2025/05/06/trump-tariffs-mao-communism-china) > [@](#): > > But listen to recent rhetoric from Trump and his top advisers, and it’s clear why the analogy has gained traction. > > “We are a department store, and we set the price,” Trump told Time when asked about tariff rates. “I meet with the companies, and then I set a fair price … and they can pay it, or they don’t have to pay it.” > “Maybe the children will have two dolls instead of 30 dolls. And maybe the two dolls will cost a couple of bucks more,” Trump mused last week when discussing potential supply shortages. > In an interview with NBC’s “Meet the Press,” Trump said he’ll personally call CEOs who make business decisions — such as advertising price increases from tariffs — that are “wrong” or “hurtful to the country.” ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potus-sends-2-000-national-guard-troops-to-l-a-to-handle-ice-protests-6-7-2025/1019320/232 "2025-06-12T21:34:22Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > If they’ve never actually received any orders to deploy, can’t they just go home? What did they receive, if not orders? I’m extremely curious about this. (And isn’t it just like Trump to try to screw over those working for him—I know several in the thread have already said this, but it bears repeating.) > [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > I would point out Senator Padilla was in fact _ **forced to the ground** _, cuffed and removed for nothing more than shouting a question to Noem during her press conference. > > The autocracy is fully here for those who are still in denial. Here’s the Full Autocracy part: 1. the Autocracy side has made definite claims about what Padilla supposedly did 2. Footage exists that would prove or disprove their claims 3. That footage is unavailable. Specifically: Noem, Mike Johnson, and presumably every other Republican is claiming that Padilla “lunged” at Noem and “charged at” Noem and “burst into a press conference” (say what?) But all the available video of the event begins with the goons already manhandling Padilla. What happened in the seconds before they grabbed him? Why, whatever Republicans say, of course! (But we’re not allowed to see it.) The dictatorial Right gets to choose what reality is. We simply have to accept it. (Or so they assert.) [https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5347773-johnson-padilla-press-conference-censure/](https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5347773-johnson-padilla-press-conference-censure/) ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potus-sends-2-000-national-guard-troops-to-l-a-to-handle-ice-protests-6-7-2025/1019320/233 "2025-06-12T21:43:21Z")
The really relevant part, though, is in the portion that they did release. One of Trump’s agents forced an elected Senator to the ground and handcuffed him. That really happened, and that’s what’s important. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potus-sends-2-000-national-guard-troops-to-l-a-to-handle-ice-protests-6-7-2025/1019320/234 "2025-06-12T21:46:53Z")
I saw something where Kristi Noem called the senator’s actions “political theater”. That seemed ironic given that sending in the troops was political theater of the highest order. BTW does Kristi Noem _always_ wear a baseball cap? ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potus-sends-2-000-national-guard-troops-to-l-a-to-handle-ice-protests-6-7-2025/1019320/235 "2025-06-12T21:48:37Z")
The trouble is that, as far as I can see, Padilla did not identify himself before he started speaking, he only identified himself as they were hustling him out the door. Maybe everyone should have recognized him, but he should not claim (as he does in a Facebook post) that he identified himself in the beginning. [Here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZSkhaLhIvk) is a CBS news clip that shows the video from just before he started talking. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potus-sends-2-000-national-guard-troops-to-l-a-to-handle-ice-protests-6-7-2025/1019320/236 "2025-06-12T21:50:21Z")
Can you imagine if this happened during a Democratic presidency? The howls from both sides would be relentless. Yet now we have one party that is dedicated to power alone and does not feel obliged to follow any laws. This cannot stand, yet it will anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potus-sends-2-000-national-guard-troops-to-l-a-to-handle-ice-protests-6-7-2025/1019320/237 "2025-06-12T21:53:19Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > all the available video of the event begins with the goons already manhandling Padilla. What happened in the seconds before they grabbed him? Why, whatever Republicans say, of course! This was a news conference, cameras and mics were running before he started speaking, but he was off camera. See my link above. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potus-sends-2-000-national-guard-troops-to-l-a-to-handle-ice-protests-6-7-2025/1019320/238 "2025-06-12T21:53:49Z")
Yup, Trumps a felon, and he’s never had the cuffs slapped on him. ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potus-sends-2-000-national-guard-troops-to-l-a-to-handle-ice-protests-6-7-2025/1019320/239 "2025-06-12T21:55:09Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Not sure if it’s okay to augment the topic by citing deployment of troops in other protest cities. > > **“Abbott sends Texas National Guard troops to San Antonio ahead of protests”** Not sure either, but it’s happening in Missouri, as well. Our governor calls the action “pro-active.” [https://fox2now.com/news/missouri/kehoe-activates-national-guard-for-statewide-protests/](https://fox2now.com/news/missouri/kehoe-activates-national-guard-for-statewide-protests/) ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potus-sends-2-000-national-guard-troops-to-l-a-to-handle-ice-protests-6-7-2025/1019320/240 "2025-06-12T21:56:18Z")
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