# POTUS sends 2,000 National Guard troops to L.A. to handle ICE protests - 6/7/2025 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [June 8, 2025, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potus-sends-2-000-national-guard-troops-to-l-a-to-handle-ice-protests-6-7-2025/1019320 "2025-06-08T04:23:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potus-sends-2-000-national-guard-troops-to-l-a-to-handle-ice-protests-6-7-2025/1019320/241 "2025-06-12T22:00:13Z")
And again it is clear that the national guard’s duties have nothing to do with assisting ICE. Nothing but to fuck with protestors. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potus-sends-2-000-national-guard-troops-to-l-a-to-handle-ice-protests-6-7-2025/1019320/242 "2025-06-12T22:04:23Z")
> [@Roderick\_Femm](#): > > The trouble is that, as far as I can see, Padilla did not identify himself before he started speaking, he only identified himself as they were hustling him out the door. I’m not sure why his failure to identify himself is relevant. Are you saying that behavior that was inappropriate against a US senator was, in fact, appropriate for a member of the public? They shouldn’t treat ANYONE like that for asking awkward questions (or for interrupting, even though that isn’t polite. Now is not the time to be polite). Edit: he doesn’t identify himself before they start manhandling him, but he does clearly state his name and position before he is cuffed or pushed to the ground. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potus-sends-2-000-national-guard-troops-to-l-a-to-handle-ice-protests-6-7-2025/1019320/243 "2025-06-12T22:10:09Z")
The problem is probably his last name, and all that that implies. 🤨 Might have been mitigated if he had identified himself as a politico first instead of allowing himself to be mistaken for your average uppity brown person. ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potus-sends-2-000-national-guard-troops-to-l-a-to-handle-ice-protests-6-7-2025/1019320/244 "2025-06-12T22:15:57Z")
**Moderating:** @Stranger_On_A_Train has opened up a dedicated thread for the Kristi Noem Conference / Senator Alex Padilla incident. Other than the causal relationship, most future discussion of that specific event is probably better there. > [@Senator Alex Padilla Removed From Kristi Noem Press Conference and Handcuffed](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senator-alex-padilla-removed-from-kristi-noem-press-conference-and-handcuffed/1019546): > > [[Federal agents force Sen. Alex Padilla to kneel on the ground before handcuffing him] ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsQ5YvT_28Y)[[LIVE: Alex Padilla speaks after removed from Kristi Noem’s press conference] ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJKS4syY3GY)[["Bad Day for Lady Liberty": Sen. Whitehouse Reacts to Shocking Footage of Sen. Padilla] ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7l_YQufmOI) Stranger ---
**Author:** ![knavette57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knavette57/32/3871_2.png) [@knavette57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/knavette57)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potus-sends-2-000-national-guard-troops-to-l-a-to-handle-ice-protests-6-7-2025/1019320/245 "2025-06-12T22:30:26Z")
I think we are looking at another summer of 68…maybe worse. Probably worse. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potus-sends-2-000-national-guard-troops-to-l-a-to-handle-ice-protests-6-7-2025/1019320/246 "2025-06-12T22:31:35Z")
Much worse. There’s no way out of this one. Every beat is predictable and inevitable. Nothing has happened that was unexpected, and the public is largely dormant. Our media is completely complicit. There’s nothing to stop the inevitable. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potus-sends-2-000-national-guard-troops-to-l-a-to-handle-ice-protests-6-7-2025/1019320/247 "2025-06-12T22:49:37Z")
You perfectly summed up how I feel about Newsom, and I’m a die-hard Democrat. He’d still be better than Donnie Two Dolls, though. ---
**Author:** ![echoreply](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/echoreply/32/3641_2.png) [@echoreply](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/echoreply)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2025, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potus-sends-2-000-national-guard-troops-to-l-a-to-handle-ice-protests-6-7-2025/1019320/248 "2025-06-13T01:37:37Z")
A federal judge in San Francisco has issued a temporary restraining order saying the National Guard troops were deployed illegally, and command must be returned to the state. This is supposed to take effect at noon (PDT?) on Friday. My prognostication is that there will be an emergency stay of the temporary injunction to prevent Trump from being in the position of outright defying a court (yet again). > **[Judge says Trump illegally deployed National Guard to help with LA protests,...](https://apnews.com/article/california-immigration-national-guard-newsom-trump-lawsuit-aedf8cdd95ee899c9559d5e54a2e4833)** > > A federal judge has issued a temporary restraining order directing President Donald Trump to return control of the National Guard to California. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2025, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potus-sends-2-000-national-guard-troops-to-l-a-to-handle-ice-protests-6-7-2025/1019320/249 "2025-06-13T02:27:03Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > Gavin Newsom couldn’t lead a group of kindergarteners out of a candy store. He’s basically the sleezy-but-trying-to-be-cool boyfriend of the divorced mom from every ‘Eighties movie that got shown on continuous loop on the USA Network before they stared making their own shitty original programming. Tell me why the Dems have problems winning elections, without telling me why. The Republicans dont spread stuff like this. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2025, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potus-sends-2-000-national-guard-troops-to-l-a-to-handle-ice-protests-6-7-2025/1019320/250 "2025-06-13T02:35:07Z")
The most recent link I could find that wasn’t outright social media said that the National Guard troops have not been paid, because the money wasn’t released. [https://www.lipstickalley.com/threads/national-guard-in-la-left-hanging-with-no-pay-and-no-support-from-locals.5920629/](https://www.lipstickalley.com/threads/national-guard-in-la-left-hanging-with-no-pay-and-no-support-from-locals.5920629/) ---
**Author:** ![China\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@China\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/China_Guy)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2025, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potus-sends-2-000-national-guard-troops-to-l-a-to-handle-ice-protests-6-7-2025/1019320/251 "2025-06-13T02:46:31Z")
Waymo’s are getting torched because they have cameras that can potentially be used to identify people nearby. ---
**Author:** ![Zoobi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/13edae/32.png) [@Zoobi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoobi)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2025, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potus-sends-2-000-national-guard-troops-to-l-a-to-handle-ice-protests-6-7-2025/1019320/252 "2025-06-13T03:15:37Z")
False. 100% laughably false. The current VP called the P a moral disaster and America’s Hitler. I could post pages of Republicans trashing Trump. They only stopped when they knew he could win. Dems do the same thing. Clinton and her followers trashed Obama when she was against him. Get real. ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2025, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potus-sends-2-000-national-guard-troops-to-l-a-to-handle-ice-protests-6-7-2025/1019320/253 "2025-06-13T04:13:53Z")
Sorry I can only find a deadline article with transcript from Mayor Bass on military presence in LA: “i was listening to the words of the secretary at her press conference and she described L.A. as a ‘war zone,'” began Bass. “It is my understanding that she arrived last night, was here for a few hours today, and came to that conclusion. There’s no one up here [onstage] who sees Los Angeles like that. This is isolated to a few blocks in a city that is over 500 square miles. And out of those 500 square miles, the protests and especially the protests that devolved into vandalism, represents about half a square mile.” She continued, “So the notion that this is happening all over our city, the notion that this city is not governable, the notion that we need the military to intervene …To characterize what is going on in our city as a city of mayhem is just an outright lie. I’m not going to call it an untruth. I’m not going to sugarcoat it. I’m going to call it for what it is, which is a lie.” > **[L.A. Mayor Karen Bass Delivers Fiery Reprimand Of Kristi Noem’s Description...](https://deadline.com/2025/06/l-a-mayor-karen-bass-kristi-noem-lie-1236432481/)** > > "To characterize what is going on in our city as...mayhem is just an outright lie," said Bass of the ICE Secretary's assessment. "I'm not going to sugar coat it." Later, Bass calls out Kristi Noem personally. From article: Bass, who was in the U.S. House of Representatives for a dozen years before becoming mayor, then added a more personal jab. “I served with the secretary for probably about 10 years in Congress, and Madam Secretary, I do not recognize you anymore. I do not know Kristi Noem that I served with for 10 years.” ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2025, 8:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potus-sends-2-000-national-guard-troops-to-l-a-to-handle-ice-protests-6-7-2025/1019320/254 "2025-06-13T08:14:29Z")
And you are correct, Doper! The appeals court overruled Judge Breyer’s restraining order. June 17th is the hearing. “Appeals court temporarily blocks judge’s ruling to return control of National Guard to California” [https://ktla.com/news/ap-top-headlines/ap-court-hearing-set-on-trumps-use-of-national-guard-and-marines-to-help-with-immigration-raids-in-la/](https://ktla.com/news/ap-top-headlines/ap-court-hearing-set-on-trumps-use-of-national-guard-and-marines-to-help-with-immigration-raids-in-la/) ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2025, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potus-sends-2-000-national-guard-troops-to-l-a-to-handle-ice-protests-6-7-2025/1019320/255 "2025-06-13T14:58:48Z")
Meanwhile, in Florida. > **[‘We will kill you’: Florida sheriff issues stern warning to protesters | CNN](https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/13/us/video/florida-sheriff-warns-protesters-we-will-kill-you-digvid)** > > As protests over the Trump administration’s immigration raids continue in Los Angeles and other cities, Florida Attorney General James Uthmeier and law enforcement officials warned that demonstrators could face a forceful response in the state, CNN... ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2025, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potus-sends-2-000-national-guard-troops-to-l-a-to-handle-ice-protests-6-7-2025/1019320/256 "2025-06-13T15:00:26Z")
That’s what the MAGAs want. To see people who don’t agree with them suffer and die. The masks are off. I am not looking forward to Saturday. That could get quite ugly. ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2025, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potus-sends-2-000-national-guard-troops-to-l-a-to-handle-ice-protests-6-7-2025/1019320/257 "2025-06-13T15:49:52Z")
Any statements like this from Tennessee? ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2025, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potus-sends-2-000-national-guard-troops-to-l-a-to-handle-ice-protests-6-7-2025/1019320/258 "2025-06-13T16:13:29Z")
The CNN headline is provocative to the point of being false. [The sheriff was not addressing _protestors_ as such](https://www.democracynow.org/2025/6/13/headlines/we_will_kill_you_florida_sheriff_threatens_protesters_ahead_of_nationwide_anti_trump_demos): > Meanwhile, the sheriff in Florida’s Brevard County warned protesters his officers would “kill” them, ahead of expected nationwide protests this weekend. > > > **Sheriff Wayne Ivey** : “If you throw a brick, a firebomb or point a gun at one of our deputies, we will be notifying your family where to collect your remains at, because we will kill you graveyard dead.” To wit: - Throw a brick – not a protestor - (Throw) a firebomb – not a protestor - Point a gun at a deputy – not a protestor This sheriff is despicable enough without CNN lying through their teeth via headline, making it sound like sign-carriers and bullhorn-speakers are at acute risk of death. … And, yes, of course I acknowledge that there will be gray areas, mistaken identities, armed police mistaking X for Y and feeling they have the immediate green light to shoot. Like I said … despicable enough as it is. CNN’s not helping. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2025, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potus-sends-2-000-national-guard-troops-to-l-a-to-handle-ice-protests-6-7-2025/1019320/259 "2025-06-13T16:14:24Z")
Hannah Rosen of _The Atlantic_ just did a special “Radio Atlantic” podcast with staff writer Tom Nichols on Trump’s use and co-opting of the military for his own purposes (some discussion near the end about calling up National Guard units and sending Marines to Los Angeles). [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/jeHIt2vPCDY/maxresdefault.jpg "The Real Problem With Trump's Parade") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeHIt2vPCDY) Stranger ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2025, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potus-sends-2-000-national-guard-troops-to-l-a-to-handle-ice-protests-6-7-2025/1019320/260 "2025-06-13T16:24:09Z")
> [@bordelond](#): > > To wit: > > - Throw a brick – not a protestor > - (Throw) a firebomb – not a protestor > - Point a gun at a deputy – not a protestor > > This sheriff is despicable enough without CNN lying through their teeth via headline, making it sound like sign-carriers and bullhorn-speakers are at acute risk of death. This is a good point. > [@bordelond](#): > > And, yes, of course I acknowledge that there will be gray areas, mistaken identities, armed police mistaking X for Y and feeling they have the immediate green light to shoot. Like I said … despicable enough as it is. CNN’s not helping. That’s another good point, and a situation that is made at least somewhat more likely by rhetoric like the sheriff used. But that _is_ an incredibly shitty headline. If you throw bricks or firebombs at police, or point guns at them, you’re very likely to end up dead in almost any jurisdiction. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potus-sends-2-000-national-guard-troops-to-l-a-to-handle-ice-protests-6-7-2025/1019320.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potus-sends-2-000-national-guard-troops-to-l-a-to-handle-ice-protests-6-7-2025/1019320.md?page=14)