# POTUS sends 2,000 National Guard troops to L.A. to handle ICE protests - 6/7/2025 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [June 8, 2025, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potus-sends-2-000-national-guard-troops-to-l-a-to-handle-ice-protests-6-7-2025/1019320 "2025-06-08T04:23:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2025, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potus-sends-2-000-national-guard-troops-to-l-a-to-handle-ice-protests-6-7-2025/1019320/61 "2025-06-08T21:51:16Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Beyond just the uncertainty of how individual guardsmen and guardswomen will act and react on the ground, for Trump and co to positively engineer an atrocity, think of all the layers of bureaucracy this has to go through Right, most likely, the order Trump gave was just what it says in the OP: “Handle the protests”. The more detailed and specific orders actually given on the ground will be given by someone both more competent and less evil than Trump. I’m sure Trump is expecting and hoping for violence, but that doesn’t necessarily mean he’s going to get it. And he’s too cowardly to directly order violence. Now, his ICE agents, they probably would interpret an order like “handle the protests” as an order to start violence. They’ve been hand-picked for that mentality. But he doesn’t have enough of them, which is why he’s using the National Guard in the first place. > [@DocCathode](#): > > Instead the cops used tear gas. > > I have zero faith in the consciences of the National Guard. Why should I? I have a lot more faith in the National Guard than I do in the police. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2025, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potus-sends-2-000-national-guard-troops-to-l-a-to-handle-ice-protests-6-7-2025/1019320/62 "2025-06-08T21:51:58Z")
> [@DocCathode](#): > > I found a screenshot of a Republican objecting to Biden using the National Guard for something. She said it was an attack on our liberty and should never happen. That was Kristi Noem [![](https://i.imgur.com/TuF6XPt.png) ](https://i.imgur.com/TuF6XPt.png) ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2025, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potus-sends-2-000-national-guard-troops-to-l-a-to-handle-ice-protests-6-7-2025/1019320/63 "2025-06-08T21:54:15Z")
What’s the phrase? It’s okay when a Republican does it? ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2025, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potus-sends-2-000-national-guard-troops-to-l-a-to-handle-ice-protests-6-7-2025/1019320/64 "2025-06-08T21:55:34Z")
Thanks. Of course, if Trump can take credit for things Biden did that worked well, say it’s Biden’s fault that tariffs have ruined the economy and so forth- this is acceptable and appropriate behavior. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2025, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potus-sends-2-000-national-guard-troops-to-l-a-to-handle-ice-protests-6-7-2025/1019320/65 "2025-06-08T21:55:45Z")
I remember how badly the camera man was harmed when they were told to clear the way for trump to have his photo op at the church. I have a good deal of concern and wish the protestors would just sit quietly with arms linked or something. I support the cause of the protestors just not the tactics because I have very little faith that things won’t go very badly. It’s what the president wants. Good excuse to declare Marshall Law. We’re no South Korea and I think he knows that. ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2025, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potus-sends-2-000-national-guard-troops-to-l-a-to-handle-ice-protests-6-7-2025/1019320/66 "2025-06-08T21:59:56Z")
Im in Valley Village, CA. Near Burbank and Sherman Oaks, so no raids or protests in our burbs. But I fear the feds are just looking for any excuse to tear gas or worse. The idiots that torched a car last night are partially responsible for the NG to be deployed. Another one of those and… ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2025, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potus-sends-2-000-national-guard-troops-to-l-a-to-handle-ice-protests-6-7-2025/1019320/67 "2025-06-08T22:04:15Z")
And just when you thought that Trump and the Pubbies couldn’t possibly get any worse… It’s headline news here in Australia, with live coverage (it’s app 8am Australian Eastern Time). Horrifying scenes, I too hope that things de-escalate quickly. Not holding my breath though. ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2025, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potus-sends-2-000-national-guard-troops-to-l-a-to-handle-ice-protests-6-7-2025/1019320/68 "2025-06-08T22:04:41Z")
My family members who were in the Guard would have been wrecked by this. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2025, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potus-sends-2-000-national-guard-troops-to-l-a-to-handle-ice-protests-6-7-2025/1019320/69 "2025-06-08T22:09:22Z")
From CNN a few minutes ago: > The Los Angeles Police Department declared the protest outside the Metropolitan Detention Center an “unlawful assembly,” and authorized “use of less lethal munitions.” This is how you ramp things up. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2025, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potus-sends-2-000-national-guard-troops-to-l-a-to-handle-ice-protests-6-7-2025/1019320/70 "2025-06-08T22:11:55Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > How is this _not_ a violation of the Posse Comitatus Act? 🤨 I thought National Guard troops could only be used as law enforcement or diaster respone when operating under state authority . Good point. This is from the Brennan Center for Justice: [**Are all members of the military covered by the Posse Comitatus Act?**](https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/posse-comitatus-act-explained) > [@](#): > > Members of the National Guard are rarely covered by the Posse Comitatus Act because they usually report to their state or territory’s governor. That means they are free to participate in law enforcement if doing so is consistent with state law. However, when Guard personnel are called into federal service, or “federalized,” they become part of the federal armed forces, which means they are bound by the Posse Comitatus Act until they are returned to state control. So if Newsom wanted this it would be under state authority and thus legal. As it is, it’s just another example of how Trump is above the law. My question: How many, if any, of those being deployed are military police? ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2025, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potus-sends-2-000-national-guard-troops-to-l-a-to-handle-ice-protests-6-7-2025/1019320/71 "2025-06-08T22:36:02Z")
Another thing about the Posse Comitatus Act. Trump could stop violating it by invoking the [vague Insurrection Act.](https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/insurrection-act-explained). He probably will! ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2025, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potus-sends-2-000-national-guard-troops-to-l-a-to-handle-ice-protests-6-7-2025/1019320/72 "2025-06-08T22:40:57Z")
**Moderating:** Not directed at anyone specific - this thread is a weird hybrid of P&E and Breaking News. It’s going to be very _easy_ for us to go off-topic, express our feelings in extreme ways, or go far into gallows humor. I am taking this moment to remind everyone of that, and ask we all keep it in the back of our minds while posting, so that we all get the most out of the thread. And if you have to express Pit-like feelings, there is a [current Pit thread](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-now-wants-to-use-military-force-to-take-california/1019341/7) on the same events. ---
**Author:** ![Nametag](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nametag/32/406_2.png) [@Nametag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nametag)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2025, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potus-sends-2-000-national-guard-troops-to-l-a-to-handle-ice-protests-6-7-2025/1019320/73 "2025-06-08T22:53:48Z")
Yes, and it’s known to mean something else: “The forcible ejection of someone, such as a bum or a hobo, from an establishment.” ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2025, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potus-sends-2-000-national-guard-troops-to-l-a-to-handle-ice-protests-6-7-2025/1019320/74 "2025-06-08T23:08:31Z")
Right. I don’t know why @Slithy_Tove brought up bull rushing. ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2025, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potus-sends-2-000-national-guard-troops-to-l-a-to-handle-ice-protests-6-7-2025/1019320/75 "2025-06-08T23:10:16Z")
If interested, my goto local news out here is KTLA, local CBS affiliate. They will be live all night, I’m sure. Live reports in area. ---
**Author:** ![X.L.Lent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/a5b964/32.png) [@X.L.Lent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/X.L.Lent)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2025, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potus-sends-2-000-national-guard-troops-to-l-a-to-handle-ice-protests-6-7-2025/1019320/76 "2025-06-08T23:15:30Z")
I am afraid that this is going to end badly. I have the impression that Trump likes to use force and that this will escalate to the point where several people may get seriously hurt or killed. So far it’s quiet here south of the 91. My thanks go to the mods for keeping this discussion from going off the rails. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2025, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potus-sends-2-000-national-guard-troops-to-l-a-to-handle-ice-protests-6-7-2025/1019320/77 "2025-06-08T23:17:58Z")
> [@Locrian](#): > > KTLA I pronounce it ‘Kit-lah’. Now that I’m 1,200 miles north of L.A., I usually look for KTLA links for L.A. news. Question: CBS affiliate? I thought the CBS station was KCBS on channel 2. (IIRC, NBC was channel 4, and ABC was channel 7.) EDIT: > [@ParallelLines](#): > > It’s going to be very _easy_ for us to go off-topic Oops. 😳 ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2025, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potus-sends-2-000-national-guard-troops-to-l-a-to-handle-ice-protests-6-7-2025/1019320/78 "2025-06-08T23:24:13Z")
I’m watching the CNN TV coverage live. At some point in the last half hour or so someone said something about the Guard personnel having assault rifles. The implication was that we’re talking live ammo. I’m sorry I can’t be more definitive about what I heard. I hope like hell I misinterpreted what I heard. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2025, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potus-sends-2-000-national-guard-troops-to-l-a-to-handle-ice-protests-6-7-2025/1019320/79 "2025-06-08T23:26:51Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > I have a lot more faith in the National Guard than I do in the police. Those National Guard members called up are likely to be California residents. Not that this doesn’t mean some of them are prone to Trumpian “them versus us” thinking about protesters, who may be likely to be Spanish speakers. Of course many of the California National Guard are Spanish speakers, too. I pray that Donald Trump is thwarted, today. He’s trying to get us used to the use of force against US citizens. He’s trying to get us used to the idea that HE can declare any situation an Insurrection. As California’s Governor has said: > [@](#): > > As demonstrators gather to face off with law enforcement, California Governor Gavin Newsom has a warning for protesters: “Don’t give Donald Trump what he wants.” > **[Los Angeles protests live: Trump says troops to uphold 'law and order' as...](https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cvg7vxx888kt)** > > The US president has sent in the National Guard, but California officials say the move is "unnecessary". ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2025, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potus-sends-2-000-national-guard-troops-to-l-a-to-handle-ice-protests-6-7-2025/1019320/80 "2025-06-08T23:40:35Z")
Good grief. The police line is moving forward on the highway and tossing smoke or gas grenades at the protestors – but protestors are kicking the cans back into their lines and the wind is blowing the gas back at the cops. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potus-sends-2-000-national-guard-troops-to-l-a-to-handle-ice-protests-6-7-2025/1019320.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potus-sends-2-000-national-guard-troops-to-l-a-to-handle-ice-protests-6-7-2025/1019320.md?page=5)