# POTUS sends 2,000 National Guard troops to L.A. to handle ICE protests - 6/7/2025 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [June 8, 2025, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potus-sends-2-000-national-guard-troops-to-l-a-to-handle-ice-protests-6-7-2025/1019320 "2025-06-08T04:23:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2025, 9:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potus-sends-2-000-national-guard-troops-to-l-a-to-handle-ice-protests-6-7-2025/1019320/121 "2025-06-09T09:10:37Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > I mentioned in the cluster thread that this call-up of the National Guard by Trump proves, beyond any shadow of a doubt whatsoever, that he could have federalized and activated the Washington DC National Guard at any time he so desired on January 6, 2021. > > Why isn’t the media making hay over that? I don’t know, but I think they should be. Invasion of the Capitol? Just tourist visits. Burned driverless cars in LA? Just careless smoking. Naw, let’s get real here. The January 6 rioters fully intended to overthrow the US Government and install their guy who lost the election; and the protestors in LA fully intended to torch those cars. Really though, sauce for the goose and all that. You cannot state that there were innocent and peaceful tourists in the US Capitol on January 6, while at the same time, stating that there were dangerous rioters who torched cars in LA on June 7. Never mind, MAGA will find a way to do so anyway. Regardless, I agree with @wolfpup when he suggested that the end goal of all this is a civil war; American against American. Divide and conquer; the dictator’s playbook. And when the MAGA faithful triumph, which they undoubtedly will over those evil DEI and LGBTQ+ illegals and leftists and intellectuals, it’ll be a wonderful new world. Yeah. Just like all dictators have promised and never delivered. (Latter part of paragraph 3 was sarcasm, of course.) ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2025, 12:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potus-sends-2-000-national-guard-troops-to-l-a-to-handle-ice-protests-6-7-2025/1019320/122 "2025-06-09T12:09:38Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > I would LOVE to see him try to execute an arrest of a sitting Governor or Mayor of any state or city. It would be a fail of enormous proportions. Agree on Newsom. Being arrested would restore his credibility with progressives, lost in recent months, without him having to pivot one iota to the left. This may be a failure of imagination on my part, but I do not see how arresting Karen Bass would be a fail of enormous, or any others, proportions. Arrests of Newsom and Bass would be closely analogous to what we see in Turkey. No fail there yet. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2025, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potus-sends-2-000-national-guard-troops-to-l-a-to-handle-ice-protests-6-7-2025/1019320/123 "2025-06-09T12:13:44Z")
Any rational person knows what the J6 insurrection was. But check your local tv station’s FB page or the letters to the editor of your local paper. When someone brings up J6, the MAGAssholes will invariably declare “DJT offered to send in the NG to protect the Capitol, but Nancy Pelosi turned it down”. Never mind that the DC NG answers to the president alone. Never mind that the leader of one party in one house of Congress is not responsible for security of the building. They believe what the Dear Leader says- full stop. We are not yet to the point of gas chambers. Yet being the operative word. The time to resist is before that step is taken. Does anyone doubt that the red hats would dearly love to see every undocumented immigrant murdered? ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2025, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potus-sends-2-000-national-guard-troops-to-l-a-to-handle-ice-protests-6-7-2025/1019320/124 "2025-06-09T12:25:39Z")
Woman trampled by horses: [https://i.imgur.com/PiCtwQp.mp4](https://i.imgur.com/PiCtwQp.mp4) Trying to find a youtube version of that so it would show up in the thread, but instead I found another video of the same thing happening to a different person. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2025, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potus-sends-2-000-national-guard-troops-to-l-a-to-handle-ice-protests-6-7-2025/1019320/125 "2025-06-09T13:04:21Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Does anyone doubt that the red hats would dearly love to see every undocumented immigrant murdered? Yes . ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2025, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potus-sends-2-000-national-guard-troops-to-l-a-to-handle-ice-protests-6-7-2025/1019320/126 "2025-06-09T13:07:15Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Does anyone doubt that the red hats would dearly love to see every undocumented immigrant murdered? Not the ones that work for them. You’ve surely noticed how they always lament that “I though he’d only go after the gangs”. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2025, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potus-sends-2-000-national-guard-troops-to-l-a-to-handle-ice-protests-6-7-2025/1019320/127 "2025-06-09T13:07:31Z")
> [@Spoons](#): > > Naw, let’s get real here. The January 6 rioters fully intended to overthrow the US Government and install their guy who lost the election; and the protestors in LA fully intended to torch those cars. Really though, sauce for the goose and all that. You cannot state that there were innocent and peaceful tourists in the US Capitol on January 6, while at the same time, stating that there were dangerous rioters who torched cars in LA on June 7. Never mind, MAGA will find a way to do so anyway. Definitely rioters intended to burn those cars. But there is no evidence that protestors intended to burn those cars. Again, the protestors are not the rioters. In many cases, the rioters are the very people that the protestors are protesting against. > [@BobLibDem](#): > > Does anyone doubt that the red hats would dearly love to see every undocumented immigrant murdered? I doubt that. After all, some undocumented immigrants are white. They’ve never cared about legal status of immigrants. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2025, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potus-sends-2-000-national-guard-troops-to-l-a-to-handle-ice-protests-6-7-2025/1019320/128 "2025-06-09T13:25:50Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Does anyone doubt that the red hats would dearly love to see every undocumented immigrant murdered? Not all of the red hats. Many would be content with total sweep and deportation of the “unwanted.” But the others aren’t a fringe either. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2025, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potus-sends-2-000-national-guard-troops-to-l-a-to-handle-ice-protests-6-7-2025/1019320/129 "2025-06-09T13:32:47Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > > [@BobLibDem](#): > > > > Does anyone doubt that the red hats would dearly love to see every undocumented immigrant murdered? > > Not all of the red hats. Many would be content with total sweep and deportation of the “unwanted.” But the others aren’t a fringe either The idea that more than a fringe of MAGA supporters want all undocumented people to be _mass murdered_ is pretty damn silly. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2025, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potus-sends-2-000-national-guard-troops-to-l-a-to-handle-ice-protests-6-7-2025/1019320/130 "2025-06-09T13:38:01Z")
Perhaps not, but plenty of MAGA supporters would be happy to see undocumented people to be mass _deported_. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2025, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potus-sends-2-000-national-guard-troops-to-l-a-to-handle-ice-protests-6-7-2025/1019320/131 "2025-06-09T13:39:50Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > plenty of MAGA supporters would be happy to see undocumented people to be mass _deported_. I agree, they probably would. That’s a far cry from the claim that generated these replies: > [@BobLibDem](#): > > We are not yet to the point of gas chambers. Yet being the operative word. The time to resist is before that step is taken. Does anyone doubt that the red hats would dearly love to see every undocumented immigrant murdered? ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2025, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potus-sends-2-000-national-guard-troops-to-l-a-to-handle-ice-protests-6-7-2025/1019320/132 "2025-06-09T13:41:05Z")
> [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](#): > > No masks will be permitted. People are going to get hurt. Incorrect. Masks are prohibited for protesters and civilians. They are required for ICE and other government agents/employees. I have no information on whether or not the NG is or isn’t wearing them, but I assume they’re allowed to as well. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2025, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potus-sends-2-000-national-guard-troops-to-l-a-to-handle-ice-protests-6-7-2025/1019320/133 "2025-06-09T13:57:14Z")
> [@DocCathode](#): > > That is true. Neither did the Nazis at first. The erosion of legal rights didn’t happen in one day. Even when they started shipping people to Auschwitz, there were no gas chambers- not yet. An existing building was converted into a gas chamber later. It also needs to be mentioned that most concentration camps were founded as prison/work camps, not extermination camps, and the extermination camps were outside Germany because there was less legal friction expected. Not that Hitler couldn’t have strong-armed camps inside Germany if he chose, but even a weak judiciary can still present some challenge and delay that could be entirely avoided by doing it outside Germany. That’s one among many reasons why Trump is shipping people to El Salvador, and why legal resistance still matters even though the judiciary has much fewer teeth than we wish. Legal challenges matter, keeping people in-country matters, demonstrating opposition matters even when the ideal course of protest isn’t clear and appears to be making things worse. There’s not enough ICE to accomplish this. Yes there are some bloodthirsty bigots in ICE, but they didn’t sign up to take on any real risk or do any real labor. If everyone chooses to make life hard and miserable for them, then ICE will have a hard time retaining people. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2025, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potus-sends-2-000-national-guard-troops-to-l-a-to-handle-ice-protests-6-7-2025/1019320/134 "2025-06-09T14:00:59Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > The idea that more than a fringe of MAGA supporters want all undocumented people to be _mass murdered_ is pretty damn silly. The red hat crowd is truly evil. The only difference between them and 1930s Nazis is 90 years and more efficient means to spread their propaganda. They have a champion that hates the same people that they do, a political party with no morals, and a Supreme Court willfully complicit. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2025, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potus-sends-2-000-national-guard-troops-to-l-a-to-handle-ice-protests-6-7-2025/1019320/135 "2025-06-09T14:01:06Z")
> [@China\_Guy](#): > > Well, that should clear out the downtown LA homeless finally. 🤣 Yes. Hilarious. I expect many of those homeless, especially the mentally ill ones who have issues with interpersonal exchanges, aren’t going to be merely shuffled along but rather arrested, sent to “detention facilities”, assumed to be illegal immigrants (because it’s convenient for the Current Administration), and shipped off to places like that jail in El Salvador without opportunity to provide documents proving citizenship or indeed getting any sort of exercise of civil rights. But do keep laughing if you find that notion amusing. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2025, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potus-sends-2-000-national-guard-troops-to-l-a-to-handle-ice-protests-6-7-2025/1019320/136 "2025-06-09T14:04:18Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Does anyone doubt that the red hats would dearly love to see every undocumented immigrant murdered? I don’t think they want to stop at the undocumented. After the immigrants are gone I’m not sure whose next, but clearly there’s a list of candidates. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2025, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potus-sends-2-000-national-guard-troops-to-l-a-to-handle-ice-protests-6-7-2025/1019320/137 "2025-06-09T14:04:31Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > The red hat crowd is truly evil. The only difference between them and 1930s Nazis is 90 years and more efficient means to spread their propaganda. 77.3 million Trump voters are not all genocidal maniacs equivalent to the Nazis. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2025, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potus-sends-2-000-national-guard-troops-to-l-a-to-handle-ice-protests-6-7-2025/1019320/138 "2025-06-09T14:08:17Z")
But they are equivalent to the Germans who stood by and let the Nazis do what they did. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2025, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potus-sends-2-000-national-guard-troops-to-l-a-to-handle-ice-protests-6-7-2025/1019320/139 "2025-06-09T14:08:28Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > The idea that more than a fringe of MAGA supporters want all undocumented people to be _mass murdered_ is pretty damn silly. I’m really shocked that someone Jewish finds that incomprehensible, given the history of the past century. OK, most of them might not _actively want_ such murders… but I am pretty sure most of them would be _indifferent_ to them. As long as it doesn’t affect them they don’t give a damn what happens to people that are different than them. Or maybe the MAGA’s in your neighborhood are different than the ones in mine. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2025, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potus-sends-2-000-national-guard-troops-to-l-a-to-handle-ice-protests-6-7-2025/1019320/140 "2025-06-09T14:10:58Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > 77.3 million Trump voters are not all genocidal maniacs equivalent to the Nazis. True. However, it doesn’t take _all_ of them, or even a majority of them, to plunge the US into chaos or impose authoritarianism. Hitler never won the popular vote, it’s not necessary. I don’t think that end is _inevitable_ but I think it is, at this point, a very real possibility. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potus-sends-2-000-national-guard-troops-to-l-a-to-handle-ice-protests-6-7-2025/1019320.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/potus-sends-2-000-national-guard-troops-to-l-a-to-handle-ice-protests-6-7-2025/1019320.md?page=8)