# Pouring of Wine into the river- Anti-French sentiments **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 18, 2003, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pouring-of-wine-into-the-river-anti-french-sentiments/162281 "2003-03-18T15:26:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Epimetheus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c4cdca/32.png) [@Epimetheus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Epimetheus)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2003, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pouring-of-wine-into-the-river-anti-french-sentiments/162281/1 "2003-03-18T15:26:13Z")
At the gym today, while I was running along on the treadmill I was forced to watch Fox goss… err, news, if you wish to call it that. One of the topics caught my eye. Groups of people pouring French Chardonnay and such out into a river. The point? To teach France a lesson for being a traitor. Traitor? Hmm, so not wanting to go to war is being a traitor? Did I miss something? Don’t get me wrong, I am all set for the war. I don’t necessarily agree that we should stick a democracy over there, but Suddam needs to be overthrown IMO. I would have preferred to have UN blessings, but hey, the rest of the world already hates us, who cares if we make it worse, right? What is it with the sophmoric attitude America has taken with France? Are our leaders so childish that they want to re-name anything associated with France, like Fries, and pour out wine, call them the Axis of Weasel and all kinds of other Junior high tactics? Does this ease our own conscience, or is there some sort of standing grudge against the French that this is allowing to come out into the open? In other words, what is the reason that America is taking such a Sophmoric attitude with the French? Personally I find it extremely embarassing, especially the naming of France-Germany the “Axis of Weasel.” :rolleyes: How mature. How Intellectual. How… American. ---
**Author:** ![Epimetheus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c4cdca/32.png) [@Epimetheus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Epimetheus)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2003, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pouring-of-wine-into-the-river-anti-french-sentiments/162281/2 "2003-03-18T15:29:03Z")
Uhh, Sorry, Mods, this was supposed to be in the Pit, how I got in this forum I don’t know. ---
**Author:** ![Gaudere](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e495f1/32.png) [@Gaudere](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gaudere)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2003, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pouring-of-wine-into-the-river-anti-french-sentiments/162281/3 "2003-03-18T15:36:08Z")
[Moderator Hat ON] Moving to the BBQ Pit. [Moderator Hat OFF] ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2003, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pouring-of-wine-into-the-river-anti-french-sentiments/162281/4 "2003-03-18T15:42:27Z")
I’m sure those French vintners are crying their eyes out, that Americans are buying French wine to protest French policies. “Beu heu!” they wail. “Beu heu!” Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Gaudere](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e495f1/32.png) [@Gaudere](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gaudere)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2003, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pouring-of-wine-into-the-river-anti-french-sentiments/162281/5 "2003-03-18T15:44:59Z")
You know, I think it is the glaring ineffectuality of these sorts of things that really cheeses me off. Not only do some Americans have to get all pissed off over France threatening veto (ignoring all the other countries that object to the war), but they must choose the stupidest way possible to express their ire. “Take that, France! We have renamed our fried potato strips! Hah hah, I bet you regret messing with us now!” So not they’re pouring French wine in the river. Well, presumably they bought it first, so why should France care what they hell they do with it? They should send that evil, weaselly French wine to me, I’ll make sure that it is properly disposed of. The best (or worst, depending) story I have heard is of the couple who called their french poodle a “freedom poodle”. And just to reinforce their patriotism they dyed it with big red, white and blue stripes. However, they apparently forgot that the French flag is, guess what: big red, white and blue stripes. So they have turned their dog into a fluffy, four-legged French flag. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2003, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pouring-of-wine-into-the-river-anti-french-sentiments/162281/6 "2003-03-18T15:46:30Z")
Laughing all the way to la Banque, more like. ---
**Author:** ![lieu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c2a13f/32.png) [@lieu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lieu)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2003, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pouring-of-wine-into-the-river-anti-french-sentiments/162281/7 "2003-03-18T15:46:52Z")
I’d hate to throw mine out so I’ll probably just hide it away in some dark room and forget about it. That’ll show 'em. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2003, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pouring-of-wine-into-the-river-anti-french-sentiments/162281/8 "2003-03-18T15:47:40Z")
Yesterday there were some French musicians that lost a cello or something in NY city, and Fox posted the number to call if you found it. Well they got a lot calls, but nothing to do with the list instrument. All these morons were telling them to get out of America, go eat some snails, etc. It’s sad that these people exist in our country. ---
**Author:** ![Indygrrl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@Indygrrl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Indygrrl)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2003, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pouring-of-wine-into-the-river-anti-french-sentiments/162281/9 "2003-03-18T15:51:19Z")
I’m continuing to drink my Louis Jadot, thank you very much. ---
**Author:** ![Legomancer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/779978/32.png) [@Legomancer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Legomancer)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2003, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pouring-of-wine-into-the-river-anti-french-sentiments/162281/10 "2003-03-18T16:06:15Z")
“We need to go to war with Iraq! They blew up the WTC!” “Baaaahhhh! War with Iraq! Baaaahhhhh!” “Saddam is an evil man with a giant moon laser and time machine!” “Baaahhhhh! Moon laser! Baaaaahhhh!” “The French are traitors!” “Baaaahhhhhh! Hate France! Baaaahhhhh!” What’s that quote? “Life isn’t one damn thing after another, it’s the same damn thing over and over.” ---
**Author:** ![matt\_mcl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@matt\_mcl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/matt_mcl)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2003, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pouring-of-wine-into-the-river-anti-french-sentiments/162281/11 "2003-03-18T16:08:28Z")
Or _plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose_, as we say. God. I don’t drink wine to begin with but this is as good a reason as any to start. ---
**Author:** ![everton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ecb155/32.png) [@everton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/everton)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2003, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pouring-of-wine-into-the-river-anti-french-sentiments/162281/12 "2003-03-18T16:10:59Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Gaudere \* > \*\*The best (or worst, depending) story I have heard is of the couple who called their french poodle a “freedom poodle”. And just to reinforce their patriotism they dyed it with big red, white and blue stripes. However, they apparently forgot that the French flag is, guess what: big red, white and blue stripes. So they have turned their dog into a fluffy, four-legged French flag. \*\* Spectacular. That’s the funniest story I’ve heard in weeks :D. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Epimetheus \* > **… but hey, the rest of the world already hates us, who cares if we make it worse, right?** You don’t really believe that bullshit do you? I think it’s beyond question that the worldwide sympathy expressed towards the US in the twelve months since 9/11 has declined in a depressing way more recently, but the world does not hate you and I’m sure that includes the French. It’s a credit to you that you realise what jerks these people are and that you take the trouble to say so here. Anyhow, if they don’t want their French wine they can pour it in my direction. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2003, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pouring-of-wine-into-the-river-anti-french-sentiments/162281/13 "2003-03-18T16:11:02Z")
I agree with these protestors, but I am appalled to see they’re disposing of this treacherous drink in such an unsafe manner. May I please ask that anyone of similar sentiment express their disapproval for the french in a responsible manner, by shipping the wine to me. Thank you, and god bless America. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2003, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pouring-of-wine-into-the-river-anti-french-sentiments/162281/14 "2003-03-18T16:12:11Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by matt\_mcl \* > \*\*God. I don’t drink wine to begin with but this is as good a reason as any to start. \*\* Not sure I understand this, **Matt**. What with all the Americans protesting French policies by buying their products, it’s not like the winemakers are in any trouble. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2003, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pouring-of-wine-into-the-river-anti-french-sentiments/162281/15 "2003-03-18T16:12:50Z")
I intend to protest by pouring French wine down my throat. Take THAT! _glug_ And THAT! _glug_ I shall do this at a rate of a bottle a night until they apologise for their treachery. ---
**Author:** ![Epimetheus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c4cdca/32.png) [@Epimetheus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Epimetheus)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2003, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pouring-of-wine-into-the-river-anti-french-sentiments/162281/16 "2003-03-18T16:23:16Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by everton \* > \*\*You don’t really believe that bullshit do you? I think it’s beyond question that the worldwide sympathy expressed towards the US in the twelve months since 9/11 has declined in a depressing way more recently, but the world does not hate you and I’m sure that includes the French. > > It’s a credit to you that you realise what jerks these people are and that you take the trouble to say so here. Anyhow, if they don’t want their French wine they can pour it in my direction. \*\* Nah, I don’t believe it that way. It was more sarcasm and hyperbole. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2003, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pouring-of-wine-into-the-river-anti-french-sentiments/162281/17 "2003-03-18T16:46:34Z")
I may get carried away tonight; I’m gonna get me some croissants and SPLIT THEM RIGHT OPEN, then I’m gonna get a big hunk of Brie and CHOP IT UP INTO LITTLE BITS, then I’m going to put it on top of the destroyed croissant and HEAT IT UP UNDER THE GRILL. That’ll show 'em. ---
**Author:** ![TwistofFate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@TwistofFate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwistofFate)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2003, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pouring-of-wine-into-the-river-anti-french-sentiments/162281/18 "2003-03-18T17:00:51Z")
So, what are they going to do with all the blow up freedom maid outfits? ---
**Author:** ![TwistofFate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@TwistofFate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwistofFate)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2003, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pouring-of-wine-into-the-river-anti-french-sentiments/162281/19 "2003-03-18T17:02:04Z")
Freedom Maid dolls, even. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2003, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pouring-of-wine-into-the-river-anti-french-sentiments/162281/20 "2003-03-18T17:10:51Z")
**Mangetout** , could I possibly pop round to show solidarity in your protest? Say about 6.30’ish, as I’m a bit pecki…sorry, eager to show my disaproval of the dastardly french. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pouring-of-wine-into-the-river-anti-french-sentiments/162281.md?page=2)