A very compelling argument you’ve posed there.
Obamacare doesn’t start until 2014. Care to take another swing?
We’re still waiting for you to back up your first outrageous claim, but what the hell…
Cite?
More like 4,000 times. But you’re only off by 25%, so you may be getting closer.
Practically speaking, I think the solution is that everyone will vote and everyone should pay some non-trivial income tax. Did I say devestating anywhere?
If I did, sorry.
I don’t think you’re doing the math right – the link spells out that Post-Graduate study was a considerably smaller percentage than College Graduate, which is presumably why the next breakdown on the list has No College Degree (folding in the No High School demographic that preferred Kerry over Bush) favoring Bush over Kerry at 53/47 while having College Degree split 49/49: that last bit obviously isn’t a simple restatement of Bush’s aforementioned 52/46 edge among mere college grads.
But payroll and state taxes don’t count? Why doesn’t payroll tax count as “some non-trivial” income tax for this purpose?
Your own cite shows high-school dropouts voting Kerry over Bush by the huge margin of 50-49.
Postgrads favored Kerry over Bush 55-44 at your link. And if “college graduates” are defined to include the postgrad category, then Kerry was favored among college graduates as well.
Your cite is repudiated. My follow-on question for you, Qin Shi Huangdi is: Will you admit to finding the facts surprising here? Or are you instead going to hunt for some wriggle-out?
I don’t think that’s quite right — at least if the second “Vote by Education” breakdown, no college degree v. college degree, is correct. That seems to indicate that neither Kerry nor Bush were favored among college graduates. Bush, however, was favored among those without a college degree.
I do find interesting the apparent parabolic relationship between education and political affiliation.
If you analyze all the GOP’s actions in terms of ‘aimed to help the wealthy elite economically’ everything they do makes perfect sense and is very consistent. Even their adoption of fundies is a ploy aimed at achieving its single over-arching goal. I am not surprised by anything I read in the article. The article confirmed my opinion of the GOP’s approaches and strategies, and I am by no means a GOP insider. Follow the money when you analyze the GOP, it’s the only thing that matters to them.
Well I read something to a different effect elsewhere but from the evidence present I admit I am wrong on this point.
Kudos to you, sir. You’ve outclassed 99% of the right-wingers on this Board.
Well, there isn’t a lot of news in that catalog of sins, is there? I suppose I ought to be pleased that he has stumbled towards the light out of darkness, but he sure seemed to take his time about it. Twenty eight years is a damned long “oopsy!”
But most all of this has been hashed out more than once, there are no startling revelations here, though the tone seems to indicate the astonishment of the recently sober. I’m not even shocked at the cynicism he highlights, the cold manipulation of politics. I mean, after Rove? And he correctly identifies the problem with the batshit fringe, but, who doesn’t?
Did anyone lefty read something they didn’t already know? And if anyone righty missed it, its most likely because you didn’t pay attention to us bitching about it
Still, if he was going to fall of his mule on the way to Damascus, one has to wish he had started out sooner.
Not a belief, a fact!!!
The Bureau of Labor Stistics (The BLS) calculates the “official” unemployment rate.
What they hope you don’t realize is that the “official” unemployment rate is a lie. Because if you give up looking for work, you no longer exist, and therefore are no longer counted in the unemployment rate.
here is data for 2010 cause it was easy
Civilian labor force
Civilian Employed Unemployed Not in
Year noninsti- labor
tutional Percent force
population Total of Percent Nonagri- Percent
population Total of Agri- cultural Number of
population culture industries labor
force
2010 (1)...................... 237,830 153,889 64.7 139,064 58.5 2,206 136,858 14,825 9.6 83,941
83,941+14,825=~99,000,000 not working vs 136,000,000 working ~ 42% are not working
And this does not count those that are not working drawing retirement SSI or unable to work due to disabilities also drawing SSI.
Call it 50% don’t work.
here is current data http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.a.htm
No real marked change, but did we expect more from Obama?
the batteries are dead in Obama’s laser focused on jobs!!!
And Obama lies, lies, lies about this and about most everything!!!
OMG! He found out children under 16 and retirees aren’t working!
Well, on Tuesday I’m going to trot over to the kindergarten across the street and tell all them toddlers to file for unemployment, because you count them that way.
Ditto for my 95-year-old father-in-law.
And anyone who says that the US is more socialist than Denmark really needs to stop watching Fox News and listening to Rush and start hearing some truth.
ETA: I might not have been first, but I was more florid!
You should learn what “Not in labor force” means. It does not mean unemployed.
Your interlocutor should not have to ask you what it means, then. You should volunteer that information, in the interest of furthering the discussion.
Please do so now.
Lose your job/income (for whatever reason) = Lose your right to vote?
Of course, my liege. How could I have been so neglectful?
As the two responses above me already have indicated, it means the number of people over the age of 16 who are either working or actively seeking work. It does not include everyone under 16, and many if not most retirees, permanently disabled people who cannot work, and wealthy heirs and heiresses who just don’t feel like working. It also includes many high school and college students.
The number of 83,941,000 is the sum total of people not in the workforce. They are not employed, but are not unemployed.
In the comments following the article was a link for George Lakoff on Moral Politics: George Lakoff: Moral Politics - YouTube