# Powerful Kurds want a (de facto or actual) state.  Good, or bad?

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/powerful-kurds-want-a-de-facto-or-actual-state-good-or-bad/290759>\
**Category:** Great Debates\
**Created:** [February 18, 2005, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/powerful-kurds-want-a-de-facto-or-actual-state-good-or-bad/290759 "2005-02-18T18:38:40Z")\
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**Author:** ![rfgdxm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c0e974/32.png) [@rfgdxm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rfgdxm)\
**Post date:** [February 21, 2005, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/powerful-kurds-want-a-de-facto-or-actual-state-good-or-bad/290759/21 "2005-02-21T02:48:10Z")

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> [@BrainGlutton](#):
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> To claim Iraq as a success, Bush has to be able to point to a country that is internally at peace and has at least the semblance of independent self-government.

He doesn’t have to at this point. He’s a lame duck. 😉

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**Author:** ![Ryan\_Liam](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ryan_liam/32/3965_2.png) [@Ryan\_Liam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ryan_Liam)\
**Post date:** [February 21, 2005, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/powerful-kurds-want-a-de-facto-or-actual-state-good-or-bad/290759/22 "2005-02-21T15:09:49Z")

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> [@rfgdxm](#):
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> He doesn’t have to at this point. He’s a lame duck. 😉

Thats rubbish and you know it 🙂

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**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\
**Post date:** [February 21, 2005, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/powerful-kurds-want-a-de-facto-or-actual-state-good-or-bad/290759/23 "2005-02-21T15:27:07Z")

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> [@Ryan\_Liam](#):
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> Thats rubbish and you know it 🙂

I must concur. Bush doesn’t have to worry about his own re-election, but he still cares, I’m sure, about the Republican Party’s prospects in 2008 and after. He probably won’t be succeeded by another Pub if the main project of his administration, Iraq, is (still) a bleeding disaster by then.

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