# Pray+rain= Proof of God? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 14, 2007, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pray-rain-proof-of-god/426419 "2007-11-14T21:06:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![lekatt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lekatt/32/7269_2.png) [@lekatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lekatt)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2007, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pray-rain-proof-of-god/426419/81 "2007-11-20T13:15:19Z")
[QUOTE=Der Trihs] I did. Well, intelligence at least; “fluid” or not. That’s why I’m an atheist. [/QUOTE] Fluid intelligence allows you to gain more intelligence and knowledge. Static intelligence is written in stone. ---
**Author:** ![Tenebras](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/977dab/32.png) [@Tenebras](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tenebras)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2007, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pray-rain-proof-of-god/426419/82 "2007-11-20T13:22:50Z")
Just because: Matthew 5:42-48 42 if u makes a cookie 4 some1, doe not eated it 43 Ceiling Cat iz liek “wuv ur BFFz, hate bad kittehz” 44 but im liek “wuv bad kittehz 2” 45 u r all Ceiling Catz kittenz. Sun shines on good kittehz and bad. Also rain ☹ 46 if u wuv only ur BFFs, u can not has cheezburger. even teh IRS d00dz do taht! 47 if u iz liek “oh hai” 2 only ur BFFs, wtf? only n00bz do taht. 48 b k00l liek Ceiling Cat ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2007, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pray-rain-proof-of-god/426419/83 "2007-11-20T13:42:27Z")
[QUOTE=lekatt] Fluid intelligence allows you to gain more intelligence and knowledge. Static intelligence is written in stone. [/QUOTE] In that case, static intelligence is what you have, and fluid intelligence is what atheists/agnostics have. We are willing to accept the existence of a god if there is any proof on the matter. You on the other hand will accept the existence of god statically regardless of whether proof exists or not. As you’re using it, “fluid intelligence” is nothing but a poorly descriptive term for “blind faith”. The only thing “fluid” about it is the way your rationalizations must always be in flux in order to support the same conclusion in the face of changing evidence. ---
**Author:** ![wisernow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/13edae/32.png) [@wisernow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wisernow)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2007, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pray-rain-proof-of-god/426419/84 "2007-11-20T15:25:34Z")
[QUOTE=lekatt] Well, I am not a prophet or preacher… [/QUOTE] Well not a prophet certainly, but “preach” is all you do in almost all threads that you jump in where there is a discussion of religion. Just listen to yourself speak and tell yourself if you are not preaching!! [QUOTE=lekatt] ….It’s ok, you both prayed to the same God, just different names… ….They also attribute many different characterists to God, but God is only love… …God is within you, think what you will…. …best of all are those with no belief systems for they are the enlightened…. [/QUOTE] Preach, preach, preach, and preach!! [QUOTE=lekatt] [I am] just someone who understands through personal experience with God. [/QUOTE] People take drugs and have ‘personal experiences’! The mentally ill have ‘personal experiences’! The word for such ‘personal experiences’ that have no foundation in reality is ‘delusions’. ---
**Author:** ![lekatt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lekatt/32/7269_2.png) [@lekatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lekatt)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2007, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pray-rain-proof-of-god/426419/85 "2007-11-20T15:32:38Z")
[QUOTE=Tenebras] Just because: Matthew 5:42-48 42 if u makes a cookie 4 some1, doe not eated it 43 Ceiling Cat iz liek “wuv ur BFFz, hate bad kittehz” 44 but im liek “wuv bad kittehz 2” 45 u r all Ceiling Catz kittenz. Sun shines on good kittehz and bad. Also rain ☹ 46 if u wuv only ur BFFs, u can not has cheezburger. even teh IRS d00dz do taht! 47 if u iz liek “oh hai” 2 only ur BFFs, wtf? only n00bz do taht. 48 b k00l liek Ceiling Cat [/QUOTE] I have no idea what you are saying, if anything. ---
**Author:** ![lekatt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lekatt/32/7269_2.png) [@lekatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lekatt)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2007, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pray-rain-proof-of-god/426419/86 "2007-11-20T15:36:38Z")
[QUOTE=Cosmic Relief] In that case, static intelligence is what you have, and fluid intelligence is what atheists/agnostics have. We are willing to accept the existence of a god if there is any proof on the matter. You on the other hand will accept the existence of god statically regardless of whether proof exists or not. As you’re using it, “fluid intelligence” is nothing but a poorly descriptive term for “blind faith”. The only thing “fluid” about it is the way your rationalizations must always be in flux in order to support the same conclusion in the face of changing evidence. [/QUOTE] Sorry, I have personal experience with God, and that is why I believe. I am not qualified to judge why you do not believe in God. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2007, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pray-rain-proof-of-god/426419/87 "2007-11-20T15:41:22Z")
[QUOTE=lekatt] Easy, there is only one God, which people call by many, many different names. They also attribute many different characterists to God, but God is only love. [/QUOTE] If all gods are merely reflections of the One True God, is it possible for two different reflections to exist, each with a set of characteristics that is entirely contradictory to the other, and still be valid or true? ---
**Author:** ![lekatt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lekatt/32/7269_2.png) [@lekatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lekatt)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2007, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pray-rain-proof-of-god/426419/88 "2007-11-20T15:47:56Z")
[QUOTE=wisernow] Well not a prophet certainly, but “preach” is all you do in almost all threads that you jump in where there is a discussion of religion. Just listen to yourself speak and tell yourself if you are not preaching!! Preach, preach, preach, and preach!! People take drugs and have ‘personal experiences’! The mentally ill have ‘personal experiences’! The word for such ‘personal experiences’ that have no foundation in reality is ‘delusions’. [/QUOTE] There was nothing I said that asked you to change your beliefs, mostly informational statements from my personal experience. Preaching is usually a morallistic rebuke or sermon designed to motivate people into some kind of belief or action. I have said many times it is not important what one believes unless they harm themselves or others with it. All people have personal experiences all the time, actually there is no other way to live life except through personal experiences. One person is not qualified to judge another’s personal experience. Only the ignorant judge, the wise learn. ---
**Author:** ![lekatt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lekatt/32/7269_2.png) [@lekatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lekatt)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2007, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pray-rain-proof-of-god/426419/89 "2007-11-20T15:53:16Z")
[QUOTE=Mangetout] If all gods are merely reflections of the One True God, is it possible for two different reflections to exist, each with a set of characteristics that is entirely contradictory to the other, and still be valid or true? [/QUOTE] No, the contradictions are only in the minds of men, they have no effect on God. The only truth about God is: God is Love. All major religions recognize this, it is when religions go further than this contradictions appear. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2007, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pray-rain-proof-of-god/426419/90 "2007-11-20T16:02:07Z")
[QUOTE=lekatt] No, the contradictions are only in the minds of men, they have no effect on God. The only truth about God is: God is Love. All major religions recognize this, it is when religions go further than this contradictions appear. [/QUOTE] How is it possible to be so certain about that, without ever being able to be certain about any of the other supposed characteristics? ---
**Author:** ![Kalhoun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3bc359/32.png) [@Kalhoun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kalhoun)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2007, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pray-rain-proof-of-god/426419/91 "2007-11-20T17:01:25Z")
[QUOTE=lekatt] Well, I am not a prophet or preacher, just someone who understands through personal experience with God. I could be anyone, from anywhere. I have no followers nor desire any. I have no church, I sell nothing. If God revealed Himself in unequivocal terms the illusions of duality would be revealed and the school called earth rendered useless. We are here to learn about things for ourselves, love vs. fear, and spiritual nature. We must learn on our own deeds what is happening. Try using fluid intelligence to break through the belief systems. [/QUOTE] Just out of curiosity, lekatt, did this “experience” you speak of actually talk to you? ---
**Author:** ![Tenebras](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/977dab/32.png) [@Tenebras](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tenebras)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2007, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pray-rain-proof-of-god/426419/92 "2007-11-20T17:07:00Z")
[QUOTE=lekatt] I have no idea what you are saying, if anything. [/QUOTE] lol. Thaz K. Ceilin Cat BFFz u. srlsy ---
**Author:** ![lekatt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lekatt/32/7269_2.png) [@lekatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lekatt)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2007, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pray-rain-proof-of-god/426419/93 "2007-11-20T18:01:55Z")
[QUOTE=Mangetout] How is it possible to be so certain about that, without ever being able to be certain about any of the other supposed characteristics? [/QUOTE] Because this is the one thing all religions agree upon, and it is what I experienced when in the presence of God. ---
**Author:** ![lekatt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lekatt/32/7269_2.png) [@lekatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lekatt)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2007, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pray-rain-proof-of-god/426419/94 "2007-11-20T18:03:25Z")
[QUOTE=Kalhoun] Just out of curiosity, lekatt, did this “experience” you speak of actually talk to you? [/QUOTE] Yes. ---
**Author:** ![wisernow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/13edae/32.png) [@wisernow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wisernow)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2007, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pray-rain-proof-of-god/426419/95 "2007-11-20T18:11:35Z")
[QUOTE=lekatt] Yes. [/QUOTE] What? ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2007, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pray-rain-proof-of-god/426419/96 "2007-11-20T18:12:18Z")
[QUOTE=lekatt] I have no idea what you are saying, if anything. [/QUOTE] > **[LOL Cats](https://lolcats.com/)** > > The #1 cat parenting community ---
**Author:** ![Kalhoun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3bc359/32.png) [@Kalhoun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kalhoun)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2007, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pray-rain-proof-of-god/426419/97 "2007-11-20T18:35:07Z")
[QUOTE=lekatt] Yes. [/QUOTE] And what did it say? ---
**Author:** ![Kalhoun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3bc359/32.png) [@Kalhoun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kalhoun)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2007, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pray-rain-proof-of-god/426419/98 "2007-11-20T18:37:11Z")
[QUOTE=lekatt] Because this is the one thing all religions agree upon, and it is what I experienced when in the presence of God. [/QUOTE] You experienced love or you experienced god telling you he is love? ---
**Author:** ![Sophistry\_and\_Illusion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b3f665/32.png) [@Sophistry\_and\_Illusion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sophistry_and_Illusion)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2007, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pray-rain-proof-of-god/426419/99 "2007-11-20T18:43:13Z")
[QUOTE=Kalhoun] And what did it say? [/QUOTE] It said, “Go back on your Risperidone.” ---
**Author:** ![Kalhoun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3bc359/32.png) [@Kalhoun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kalhoun)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2007, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pray-rain-proof-of-god/426419/100 "2007-11-20T18:51:32Z")
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