# Pre-crisis Earth-2: Did the Joker outlive Batman? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 21, 2014, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pre-crisis-earth-2-did-the-joker-outlive-batman/696111 "2014-08-21T17:43:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2014, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pre-crisis-earth-2-did-the-joker-outlive-batman/696111/1 "2014-08-21T17:43:38Z")
It’s my understanding that the pre-crisis Earth-2 Batman died. Was the corresponding Joker still alive? Did Earth-2 Joker die before being retconned out of existence by the Crisis On Infinite Earths? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2014, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pre-crisis-earth-2-did-the-joker-outlive-batman/696111/2 "2014-08-21T18:12:49Z")
According to DC’s Wiki…they don’t know. Either he died of old age in prison, or blinked out of existence with the rest of the planet. ---
**Author:** ![cmkeller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmkeller/32/118_2.png) [@cmkeller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmkeller)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2014, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pre-crisis-earth-2-did-the-joker-outlive-batman/696111/3 "2014-08-21T19:04:22Z")
He definitely outlived Batman. In The Brave and the Bold # 200, the story is an “old foe” (newly invented for that very issue) of the Earth-2 Batman wakes up from a decades-long coma to discover that Batman died at the hands of another, and one of the people he speaks to is an aged Earth-2 Joker. (After leaving the hospital, he mentally takes over the body of his Earth-1 counterpart, who is an upstanding citizen, in order to get his revenge-by-proxy on Earth-1 Batman.) I guess the editors of DC’s wiki overlooked that scene. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2014, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pre-crisis-earth-2-did-the-joker-outlive-batman/696111/4 "2014-08-21T19:09:05Z")
> [@cmkeller](#): > > He definitely outlived Batman. In The Brave and the Bold # 200, the story is an “old foe” (newly invented for that very issue) of the Earth-2 Batman wakes up from a decades-long coma to discover that Batman died at the hands of another, and one of the people he speaks to is an aged Earth-2 Joker. (After leaving the hospital, he mentally takes over the body of his Earth-1 counterpart, who is an upstanding citizen, in order to get his revenge-by-proxy on Earth-1 Batman.) > > I guess the editors of DC’s wiki overlooked that scene. I guess I was unclear. When I said they didn’t know, it was only about when the Earth-2 Joker died, not whether he died before or after Earth-2 Batman. They definitely have him dying long after Bat-2. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2014, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pre-crisis-earth-2-did-the-joker-outlive-batman/696111/5 "2014-08-21T20:54:04Z")
The DC Wikia page (which I assume is edited by obsessed nerds even more extreme than the ones here) says the Earth-2 Joker’s was never depicted or referenced, leaving the assumption that he disappeared along with Earth-2 during the Crisis. It does not, however, mention his cameo in _Brave and Bold_ #200, and I’m thinking about adding it. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2014, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pre-crisis-earth-2-did-the-joker-outlive-batman/696111/6 "2014-08-22T01:04:45Z")
> [@cmkeller](#): > > He definitely outlived Batman. In The Brave and the Bold # 200, the story is an “old foe” (newly invented for that very issue) of the Earth-2 Batman wakes up from a decades-long coma to discover that Batman died at the hands of another, and one of the people he speaks to is an aged Earth-2 Joker. (After leaving the hospital, he mentally takes over the body of his Earth-1 counterpart, who is an upstanding citizen, in order to get his revenge-by-proxy on Earth-1 Batman.) > > I guess the editors of DC’s wiki overlooked that scene. Nicholas Lucien, a.k.a. “Brimstone” ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2014, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pre-crisis-earth-2-did-the-joker-outlive-batman/696111/7 "2014-08-22T13:51:18Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > The DC Wikia page (which I assume is edited by obsessed nerds even more extreme than the ones here) says the Earth-2 Joker’s was never depicted or referenced, leaving the assumption that he disappeared along with Earth-2 during the Crisis. > > It does not, however, mention his cameo in _Brave and Bold_ #200, and I’m thinking about adding it. His _death_, his _death_ was never depicted or referenced. Somebody’s been stealing my nouns. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2014, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pre-crisis-earth-2-did-the-joker-outlive-batman/696111/8 "2014-08-22T23:12:56Z")
Gosh, Batman! What kind of fiend would steal parts of speech? That’s . . . a good question, old chum; I fear it can mean only . . . one . . . thing. ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2014, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pre-crisis-earth-2-did-the-joker-outlive-batman/696111/9 "2014-08-23T00:40:56Z")
> [@cmkeller](#): > > He definitely outlived Batman. In The Brave and the Bold # 200, the story is an “old foe” (newly invented for that very issue) of the Earth-2 Batman wakes up from a decades-long coma to discover that Batman died at the hands of another, and one of the people he speaks to is an aged Earth-2 Joker. (After leaving the hospital, he mentally takes over the body of his Earth-1 counterpart, who is an upstanding citizen, in order to get his revenge-by-proxy on Earth-1 Batman.) > > I guess the editors of DC’s wiki overlooked that scene. Thanks! A definitive answer, which I wasn’t sure was possible.