# Preacher -- The New Show / Old Comic Now Airing on AMC **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 22, 2016, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/preacher-the-new-show-old-comic-now-airing-on-amc/755371 "2016-05-22T16:15:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Sam\_Lowry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Sam\_Lowry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Lowry)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/preacher-the-new-show-old-comic-now-airing-on-amc/755371/21 "2016-05-24T14:18:29Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > I also could not follow that scene. For me, the music was too loudly mixed and Cassidy’s voice was muddled. I don’t have this problem all the time like some people do. I really had no idea what was going on. He was serving drinks and then was fighting and killing. > > My understandings, which I would love if you all would correct: > > So, Tulip’s first scene was a flashback, right? But she knows Preacher-guy and is now staying in the town they are in. Cassidy just met Preacher-guy in the pilot, which we saw. > > A magic force, from space, comes down and possesses people(specifically religious presenters making their presentations). They usually blow up, but Preacher did not. He can tell people what to do if he concentrates really hard and they will _literally_ do it. Two guys are investigating the force from space. We saw them in Africa, Russia, and I think they showed up at the end of the pilot in Preacher’s town. > > Preacher is leaving town now because he was a criminal and he has failed to redeem himself or be successful. He’s going with Tulip to do crime. And Cassidy…is coming with? I guess? Even though they just met? > > Was all that previous two paragraphs right? Cassidy was hired to work on the plane, but when he went to the bathroom he found that Bible with all the weird stuff scrawled in it, which indicated to him that the men were part of a secretive organization that wants to kill him. Possibly because he’s a vampire, but maybe also because he seems to be working with some organization of his own indicated by his phone call at the bar. It’s unknown to us for the moment who exactly they are, or how Cassidy would know who they are and that they would want to kill him, or why they were flying him somewhere instead of just killing him at the airport or something, but I’m sure that some of the blanks will be filled in as it goes. Tulip and Jesse knew each other and dated when they were younger, got into various troubles together and split. Tulip’s car scene was a flashback, she’s back in town wanting to get Jesse to run off, but so far he’s not going to. He said in his sermon at the end that he’s going to try harder and be the preacher that they need. But it does seem unlikely he’ll be sticking around in town for too long. You’ve pretty much got everything right with the force from space and the power and the investigators. I’m sure that will be explained more as the show goes on. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/preacher-the-new-show-old-comic-now-airing-on-amc/755371/22 "2016-05-24T14:24:50Z")
There is just no way i can understand absolutely a single thing Cassidy is saying without closed captioning. This is very annoying. Actually i lie, i did understand his spanish. ---
**Author:** ![Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/half_man_half_wit/32/21766_2.png) [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Half_Man_Half_Wit)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/preacher-the-new-show-old-comic-now-airing-on-amc/755371/23 "2016-05-24T18:14:08Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > I also could not follow that scene. For me, the music was too loudly mixed and Cassidy’s voice was muddled. I don’t have this problem all the time like some people do. I really had no idea what was going on. He was serving drinks and then was fighting and killing. He also said something along the lines of, but if this plane is headed to Vegas (I think?), then why are we flying towards the sun? (They likely did because, well, that’s what you do if you want to kill a vampire.) That’s when the killing starts. And call me juvenile if you want, but damn, I thought that (meaning the pilot ep) was awesome! ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/preacher-the-new-show-old-comic-now-airing-on-amc/755371/24 "2016-05-24T18:52:58Z")
It’s kinda nice that Big Tobacco will fund comic books shows…I guess…that demographic will really boost cig sales… ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/preacher-the-new-show-old-comic-now-airing-on-amc/755371/25 "2016-05-24T19:22:16Z")
Much like Lucifer, the characters were all smokers in the comics. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/preacher-the-new-show-old-comic-now-airing-on-amc/755371/26 "2016-05-24T19:26:27Z")
> [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](#): > > He also said something along the lines of, but if this plane is headed to Vegas (I think?), then why are we flying towards the sun? (They likely did because, well, that’s what you do if you want to kill a vampire.) That’s when the killing starts. > > And call me juvenile if you want, but damn, I thought that (meaning the pilot ep) was awesome! “If TJ is south of Vegas why are we flying towards the sun?” he realized they were kidnapping him because they knew he was a Vampire. He thought they were all going to Tiajuana to see things that make donkey shows look tame. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/preacher-the-new-show-old-comic-now-airing-on-amc/755371/27 "2016-05-24T19:27:16Z")
> [@Mollie\_Magill](#): > > Much like Lucifer, the characters were all smokers in the comics. Exactly. Why are very minor, obscure comics being made into shows? \*the characters were all smokers in the comics. - Funded by Big Tobacco. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/preacher-the-new-show-old-comic-now-airing-on-amc/755371/28 "2016-05-24T19:28:43Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Exactly. Why are very minor, obscure comics being made into shows? \*the characters were all smokers in the comics. > > - > > Funded by Big Tobacco. Preacher wasn’t a minor or obscure comic. In the 90s it was more or less THE comic. Also, if I remember right, the cigarette smoking plays a role in the story. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/preacher-the-new-show-old-comic-now-airing-on-amc/755371/29 "2016-05-24T19:30:46Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Exactly. Why are very minor, obscure comics being made into shows? \*the characters were all smokers in the comics. > > - > > Funded by Big Tobacco. Provide a cite that the TV show Preacher is funded by Big Tobacco, or shut the fuck up. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/preacher-the-new-show-old-comic-now-airing-on-amc/755371/30 "2016-05-24T19:37:22Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > Preacher wasn’t a minor or obscure comic. In the 90s it was more or less THE comic. Also, if I remember right, the cigarette smoking plays a role in the story. Best sales were 50000, where 500000 is great and 20000 is good. Mostly sold around 30000. Preacher ranked\*\* 50th. \*\* > **[Comichron: February 1996 Comic Book Sales to Comics Shops by Diamond](https://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/1996/1996-02Diamond.html)** > > Estimated comic book and graphic novel sales to North American comic shops by Diamond Comic Distributors Minor and obscure. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/preacher-the-new-show-old-comic-now-airing-on-amc/755371/31 "2016-05-24T19:39:05Z")
> [@Mollie\_Magill](#): > > I was a little confused by Cassidy’s fight on the plane, mostly because I had a hard time understanding him. That was due to a combination of his incredibly thick accent[sup]2[/sup], and the low volume I had the TV on. There is an easy fix to this. Just turn on Closed Captions. When the scene is done turn it off. I doubt there is a modern TV today that doesn’t offer it (often with just one button push on the remote). ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/preacher-the-new-show-old-comic-now-airing-on-amc/755371/32 "2016-05-24T19:40:04Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Best sales were 50000, where 500000 is great and 20000 is good. Mostly sold around 30000. Preacher ranked\*\* 50th. \*\* > [Comichron: February 1996 Comic Book Sales to Comics Shops by Diamond](http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/1996/1996-02Diamond.html) > Minor and obscure. You are wrong. There is no one who was a comic collector in the 90s who would agree with you. It was an adult comic book so sales are low compaired to Spawn and Gen13. But it was not obscure or minor. It was a pillar of the Vertigo Imprint. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/preacher-the-new-show-old-comic-now-airing-on-amc/755371/33 "2016-05-24T19:40:33Z")
Please, let’s not turn this into another three page refutation of DrDeth’s baseless claim, like the Lucifer thread. ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/preacher-the-new-show-old-comic-now-airing-on-amc/755371/34 "2016-05-24T19:40:52Z")
> [@Tarwater](#): > > If you’re interested, you can watch the trailer for the series [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNgI2sRzr8I). The premiere will be airing tonight on AMC Oh crap… tonight?! It’s already here?! As in two days ago?! Hah! I was so looking forward to this. Feel free to spoil, because I’m not going to read anything until I watch it. How did they do arseface? Don’t answer that, I haven’t seen it yet. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/preacher-the-new-show-old-comic-now-airing-on-amc/755371/35 "2016-05-24T19:45:01Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > Provide a cite that the TV show Preacher is funded by Big Tobacco, or shut the fuck up. It’s a minor and obscure comic, one of a couple that focuses on the major character smoking, and it’s one of the few being made into a TV show.\* Ipso facto. \* Big Tobacco carefully hides it’s funding, that has been well established. [http://www.who.int/tobacco/media/en/TobaccoExplained.pdf](http://www.who.int/tobacco/media/en/TobaccoExplained.pdf) > **[How the tobacco industry built its relationship with Hollywood](https://tobaccocontrol.bmj.com/content/11/suppl_1/i81.full)** > > Objective: To describe the development of the relationship between the tobacco industry and the entertainment industry. > > Methods: Review of previously secret tobacco industry documents available on the internet. > > Results: Both the entertainment and... [http://smokefreemovies.ucsf.edu/sites/default/files/sfm10\_nyt.pdf](http://smokefreemovies.ucsf.edu/sites/default/files/sfm10_nyt.pdf) So we know they lie. Provide a cite that they\* didn’t \*fund it. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/preacher-the-new-show-old-comic-now-airing-on-amc/755371/36 "2016-05-24T19:46:11Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > You are wrong. There is no one who was a comic collector in the 90s who would agree with you. It was an adult comic book so sales are low compaired to Spawn and Gen13. But it was not obscure or minor. It was a pillar of the Vertigo Imprint. So, it’s wasn’t 50th in sales?:dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/preacher-the-new-show-old-comic-now-airing-on-amc/755371/37 "2016-05-24T19:53:41Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > It’s a minor and obscure comic, one of a couple that focuses on the major character smoking, and it’s one of the few being made into a TV show.\* Ipso facto. \* By your own numbers above if 20,000 is good then 30,000-50,000 and 50th in sales is at least pretty good. Maybe not outstanding but neither obscure or minor. As mentioned it wasn’t targeted to a younger market so its numbers likely would never be as high as others. And I find it hard to think that Ennis only had Custer smoke because big tobacco paid him off. As for a TV show on it the show is produced by Seth Rogen and Evan Goldberg. They grew up with this stuff. It is exactly the sort of thing they’d want to do. So again I doubt it took big tobacco money to make it happen. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/preacher-the-new-show-old-comic-now-airing-on-amc/755371/38 "2016-05-24T19:58:08Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > By your own numbers above if 20,000 is good then 30,000-50,000 and 50th in sales is at least pretty good. Maybe not outstanding but neither obscure or minor. As mentioned it wasn’t targeted to a younger market so its numbers likely would never be as high as others. > > And I find it hard to think that Ennis only had Custer smoke because big tobacco paid him off. > > . 200,000 (two hundred thousand) is good. 20,000 (twenty thousand) is \*not \*good. Ennis might well have decided that on his own, way back then. Bring it to TV was funded by Big Tobacco. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/preacher-the-new-show-old-comic-now-airing-on-amc/755371/39 "2016-05-24T19:58:47Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > So, it’s wasn’t 50th in sales?:dubious: Did you look at what was above it? It’s 50th in sales because it wasn’t being sold to kids under 18 without a parent. That’s a large amount of buyers who weren’t getting it. It outsold the Justice League of America, and if you scroll down your list it was the #2 Trade Paperback sold that year. Also, a top 50 anything is usually considered a hit. ---
**Author:** ![Calatin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/439d5e/32.png) [@Calatin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Calatin)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/preacher-the-new-show-old-comic-now-airing-on-amc/755371/40 "2016-05-24T21:02:53Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > It’s a minor and obscure comic, one of a couple that focuses on the major character smoking, and it’s one of the few being made into a TV show.\* Ipso facto. \* > Big Tobacco carefully hides it’s funding, that has been well established. > [http://www.who.int/tobacco/media/en/TobaccoExplained.pdf](http://www.who.int/tobacco/media/en/TobaccoExplained.pdf) > [How the tobacco industry built its relationship with Hollywood | Tobacco Control](http://tobaccocontrol.bmj.com/content/11/suppl_1/i81.full) > [Welcome | Smokefree Media](http://smokefreemovies.ucsf.edu/sites/default/files/sfm10_nyt.pdf) > > So we know they lie. > > Provide a cite that they\* didn’t \*fund it. You’re asking to prove a negative, and somehow even if that was possible, I get the impression you’d just say that it was “hidden carefully.” So, instead of living in your world where Big Tobacco is pulling the strings of every aspect of human life, I think I’m gonna assume that AMC realized that they were having great success with adaptations of edgy / adult comics & graphic novels, and so Preacher was the next one on their list. I mean, if it shows Jesse wearing jeans, is that proof that the show is secretly being funded by Big Denim? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/preacher-the-new-show-old-comic-now-airing-on-amc/755371.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/preacher-the-new-show-old-comic-now-airing-on-amc/755371.md?page=3)