# Preacher -- The New Show / Old Comic Now Airing on AMC **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 22, 2016, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/preacher-the-new-show-old-comic-now-airing-on-amc/755371 "2016-05-22T16:15:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/preacher-the-new-show-old-comic-now-airing-on-amc/755371/41 "2016-05-24T21:06:33Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Best sales were 50000, where 500000 is great and 20000 is good. Mostly sold around 30000. Preacher ranked\*\* 50th. \*\* > > [Comichron: February 1996 Comic Book Sales to Comics Shops by Diamond](http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/1996/1996-02Diamond.html) > > Minor and obscure. Obscure is good. When the source material is too popular and recent, like the Walking Dead, there is too much discussion on whether or not the storyline is faithful to the comics. This way, most people will see Preacher with fresh eyes. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/preacher-the-new-show-old-comic-now-airing-on-amc/755371/42 "2016-05-24T21:08:12Z")
> [@Calatin](#): > > So, instead of living in your world where Big Tobacco is pulling the strings of every aspect of human life, I think I’m gonna assume that AMC realized that they were having great success with adaptations of edgy / adult comics & graphic novels, and so Preacher was the next one on their list. > > I mean, if it shows Jesse wearing jeans, is that proof that the show is secretly being funded by Big Denim? 1. Name three. 2. No, because Big Denim can just buy ads publicly. they don’t have to hide their connections. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Calatin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/439d5e/32.png) [@Calatin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Calatin)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/preacher-the-new-show-old-comic-now-airing-on-amc/755371/43 "2016-05-24T21:14:20Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > 1. Name three. > > 2. No, because Big Denim can just buy ads publicly. they don’t have to hide their connections. :rolleyes: “The Walking Dead” (and by association “Fear the Walking Dead”) and there’s the recurring rumor that they are really trying to push “Y: The Last Man” to the small screen. And hell, look at the glut of comic book tv shows that have come out as of recent. And they aren’t all “shiny, happy, sanitized” versions either. (I’m looking at you, “Arrow” season 1.) But, keep sticking to your guns. You’re obviously convincing a lot of people how right you are. ---
**Author:** ![Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/half_man_half_wit/32/21766_2.png) [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Half_Man_Half_Wit)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/preacher-the-new-show-old-comic-now-airing-on-amc/755371/44 "2016-05-24T21:18:57Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Exactly. Why are very minor, obscure comics being made into shows? \*the characters were all smokers in the comics. > > - > > Funded by Big Tobacco. Take basically any list of greatest graphic novels, like [this one](https://forbiddenplanet.com/log/recommendations/50-best-best-graphic-novels/); you’re pretty much guaranteed to find it on there—in this case, on number 15, above the likes of Batman: The Killing Joke, The Walking Dead (as seen on TV), and 300 (you might have heard about a little film they did based on that one). Not really all that minor and obscure. Besides, I’m starting to think that it’s in fact you that’s being sponsored by Big Tobacco in some sort of viral reverse-psychology marketing scheme; certainly, few things have made me want to light up more in recent years than your conspiracy mongering. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/preacher-the-new-show-old-comic-now-airing-on-amc/755371/45 "2016-05-24T21:21:28Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > 1. Name three. > : Can I play? Walking Dead, Jessica Jones, Daredevil. What do I win? ---
**Author:** ![Calatin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/439d5e/32.png) [@Calatin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Calatin)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/preacher-the-new-show-old-comic-now-airing-on-amc/755371/46 "2016-05-24T21:23:20Z")
> [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](#): > > Take basically any list of greatest graphic novels, like [this one](https://forbiddenplanet.com/log/recommendations/50-best-best-graphic-novels/); you’re pretty much guaranteed to find it on there—in this case, on number 15, above the likes of Batman: The Killing Joke, The Walking Dead (as seen on TV), and 300 (you might have heard about a little film they did based on that one). Not really all that minor and obscure. > > Besides, I’m starting to think that it’s in fact you that’s being sponsored by Big Tobacco in some sort of viral reverse-psychology marketing scheme; certainly, few things have made me want to light up more in recent years than your conspiracy mongering. And here’s a [list of confirmed, rumored and tv shows](http://www.denofgeek.com/tv/comic-book-tv-shows/33601/35-upcoming-comic-book-tv-shows-and-when-to-expect-them) that are currently in development, all based off of comics. Thank goodness for Big Tobacco’s Big Pockets (as part of their ultra-secret alliance with Big Denim), because that’s a lot of funding. ---
**Author:** ![Lochdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/edb3f5/32.png) [@Lochdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lochdale)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/preacher-the-new-show-old-comic-now-airing-on-amc/755371/47 "2016-05-24T21:43:30Z")
I actually just read the entire series last week in anticipation of the tv show. I remember it well from the 90’s and it just looked far too needlessly violent to me then. My view hasn’t changed in the 20 years. Some really good ideas in the comic book but the constant rape, sodomy (obsession with sodomy) and the fact that the bad guys all suffered from Stormtrooper can’t hit a thing syndrome took me out of it. ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/preacher-the-new-show-old-comic-now-airing-on-amc/755371/48 "2016-05-24T21:51:11Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > As for a TV show on it the show is produced by Seth Rogen and Evan Goldberg. They grew up with this stuff. It is exactly the sort of thing they’d want to do. So again I doubt it took big tobacco money to make it happen. This. Spare me from talk about “Big Tobacco”. “Big Tobacco” owns Kraft, which makes a ranch dressing I like. The same company that sells marlboros also sells you shredded chedder cheese. That’s Phillip Morris. They make far more money in foodstuffs than they do tobacco. And then there’s RJR/Nabisco, which does the same thing. The companies that semi-conspiracy theorists mean when they are talking about “Big Tobacco” _don’t actually make all that much money from tobacco_. Sure, it’s a big chunk, so don’t throw numbers at me, but they have known the writing is on the wall for decades. That’s why they got into food. Anyway, it’s not crooked money. I just watched the first episode of the show we should be talking about, and I want more. I don’t really care if the makers of velveeta or nilla wafers chipped in to make it happen. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/preacher-the-new-show-old-comic-now-airing-on-amc/755371/49 "2016-05-24T22:26:38Z")
> [@Calatin](#): > > “The Walking Dead” e. That’s one. “AMC realized that they were having great success with adaptation **s** of edgy / adult comic **s** & graphic nove **ls** ” Bolding mine. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/preacher-the-new-show-old-comic-now-airing-on-amc/755371/50 "2016-05-24T22:28:19Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > Can I play? Walking Dead, Jessica Jones, Daredevil. > > What do I win? Only one of those on AMC. You lose. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/preacher-the-new-show-old-comic-now-airing-on-amc/755371/51 "2016-05-24T22:31:14Z")
> [@Calatin](#): > > And here’s a [list of confirmed, rumored and tv shows](http://www.denofgeek.com/tv/comic-book-tv-shows/33601/35-upcoming-comic-book-tv-shows-and-when-to-expect-them) that are currently in development, all based off of comics. > > Thank goodness for Big Tobacco’s Big Pockets (as part of their ultra-secret alliance with Big Denim), because that’s a lot of funding. What does that list have to do with anything? How many of those have main characters known for their iconic smoking? Of course Comic books shows are hot now. But there’s dozens and dozens (as in that list) which are better known than The Preacher. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/preacher-the-new-show-old-comic-now-airing-on-amc/755371/52 "2016-05-24T22:31:33Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Only one of those on AMC. You lose. Rats. I took the “they” to mean the Television industry as a whole. :mad: Oh well, I’ll get em next time. 🆒 Back on topic, after sitting with it for a while I like the interpretation of the show. I like that they aren’t just going for a shot for shot translation of the comic storyline, but are sort of doing a deeper dive into the back story and streamlining things a bit, and keeping things in a single location for a while is probably a smart move. At the end of the day it’s a character study. It looks like it’s going to be fun. The bar fight showed Jesse to be every bit the badass that he should be too. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/preacher-the-new-show-old-comic-now-airing-on-amc/755371/53 "2016-05-24T22:35:12Z")
> [@armedmonkey](#): > > This. > > Spare me from talk about “Big Tobacco”. “Big Tobacco” owns Kraft, which makes a ranch dressing I like. The same company that sells marlboros also sells you shredded chedder cheese. That’s Phillip Morris. They make far more money in foodstuffs than they do tobacco. And then there’s RJR/Nabisco, which does the same thing. > > . Phillip Morris, aka Altria hasnt owned Kraft since 2007. RJR Nabisco stopped operating as a single entity in 1999. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/preacher-the-new-show-old-comic-now-airing-on-amc/755371/54 "2016-05-24T22:36:26Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Provide a cite that they\* didn’t \*fund it. Bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha! ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/preacher-the-new-show-old-comic-now-airing-on-amc/755371/55 "2016-05-24T22:40:56Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > The bar fight showed Jesse to be every bit the badass that he should be too. Amen. And the demon coming out of the bathroom and casually kicking the chair guard Jesse’s back hints there’s some seriously badass shit coming. Not to mention “arts and crafts”. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/preacher-the-new-show-old-comic-now-airing-on-amc/755371/56 "2016-05-24T22:42:16Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > So, it’s wasn’t 50th in sales?:dubious: 50th out of **300** titles. It was in the top 20% of comics for the month. I am as impressed with your math as with your “Well, prove my screwball conspiracy theory _isn’t_ true” logic. ---
**Author:** ![Calatin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/439d5e/32.png) [@Calatin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Calatin)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/preacher-the-new-show-old-comic-now-airing-on-amc/755371/57 "2016-05-24T22:54:06Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > What does that list have to do with anything? How many of those have main characters known for their iconic smoking? > > Of course Comic books shows are hot now. But there’s dozens and dozens (as in that list) which are better known than The Preacher. Maybe some properties better known than “The Preacher,” but not as well known as “Preacher.” What do you know? I can be pedantic, too! And with each “elaboration,” you weaken your position. “All these other shows are being made, too, but the evidence that there is one that features a smoker somehow proves there’s a vast conspiracy to have Big Tobacco fund massive quantities of television programming to promote their Agenda.” (I went ahead and took the liberty of assuming you’d capitalize that last word as well.) ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/preacher-the-new-show-old-comic-now-airing-on-amc/755371/58 "2016-05-24T23:05:44Z")
> [@armedmonkey](#): > > Not to mention “arts and crafts”. Yeah, I think I like this version of Tulip better than the original already. “This is how you make a bazooka”🆒 ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/preacher-the-new-show-old-comic-now-airing-on-amc/755371/59 "2016-05-24T23:25:11Z")
Let’s move the conversation about smoking over to [where it belongs: The Pit](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=19355172#post19355172). ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2016, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/preacher-the-new-show-old-comic-now-airing-on-amc/755371/60 "2016-05-25T02:40:54Z")
**DrDeth** It’s time for this “big tobacco” hijack to stop. It absolutely does not belong in this, or any, thread about a show. Start a thread on it if you’d like, but keep it out of the TV series episode shows. **Everyone else** Do not respond or engage in this hijack. Report any posts if they happen **Warnings will be issued in this thread or other TV show threads moving forward.** [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/preacher-the-new-show-old-comic-now-airing-on-amc/755371.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/preacher-the-new-show-old-comic-now-airing-on-amc/755371.md?page=4)