# Predict: Likelihood Palin will show for the debate? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 30, 2008, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-likelihood-palin-will-show-for-the-debate/465866 "2008-09-30T16:17:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![WhyNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c77e96/32.png) [@WhyNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WhyNot)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2008, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-likelihood-palin-will-show-for-the-debate/465866/121 "2008-10-01T13:56:48Z")
> [@Don\_t\_Call\_Me\_Shirley](#): > > I still want to know why he wouldn’t deny making the statement when asked directly if he had made it. What…what?! I’m not **Shodan** ’s biggest fan (but I don’t really dislike him, either), but that statement right there just screams of witch hunt to me. Fuck you, he should bother to deny a damning statement he never made. The onus is on his accusers to prove his guilt, not him to protest his innocence. Protestations of innocence only serve to damn the victim further when people get into that mindset. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2008, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-likelihood-palin-will-show-for-the-debate/465866/122 "2008-10-01T13:58:54Z")
> [@Sinaijon](#): > > And you never will, because, as you just stated, you discount anything anybody ever says in her defense. I was preparing a reasoned response (which happened to include a lot of “fuck you”'s and “eat me”'s), but **Bosstone** nailed it in one. One other point … I said I would discount most things the conservo-posters here would say in her defense, because they seems to go into ultra-spin mode whenever the subject is broached. When having these conversations with my face-to-face conservative friends, not one has claimed she hasn’t fucked up her interviews. Not one. Look, I’m a Biden supporter. I’m the first to say that the man mispeaks more the Norm Crosby on a NyQuil binge. So when I hear shit like, “it’s gotcha journalism” and “the MSM hates Sarah Palin”, then yes I tend to call bullshit. Sorry, if a little gets on you. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2008, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-likelihood-palin-will-show-for-the-debate/465866/123 "2008-10-01T14:04:00Z")
I did some searches yesterday, and they worked, but Search isn’t working today for me. Anyway, can we conclude that **Captain Carrot** ’s assertion was incorrect? **Don’t Call Me Shirley** is a complete dolt, but we knew that already. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Don\_t\_Call\_Me\_Shirley](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Don\_t\_Call\_Me\_Shirley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_t_Call_Me_Shirley)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2008, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-likelihood-palin-will-show-for-the-debate/465866/124 "2008-10-01T14:23:07Z")
> [@WhyNot](#): > > What…what?! > > I’m not **Shodan** ’s biggest fan (but I don’t really dislike him, either), but that statement right there just screams of witch hunt to me. Fuck you, he should bother to deny a damning statement he never made. The onus is on his accusers to prove his guilt, not him to protest his innocence. I see what you’re saying, and I agree somewhat. It is on the accuser to bring the cite. I have been accused of saying things I never said, and there is more than one way to handle it. You can say “I never said that, perhaps you have me confused with someone else.” Or you can ask for the cite, like \*\*Shodan \*\*did. But when \*\*prr \*\*asked him to clarify, and he refused to do so, it became clear that he was just being a dick about it, probably waiting until the cite could not be provided to rub his face in it. That’s what I’m calling him out on, the fact that he handled it like a dick. > [@](#): > > Protestations of innocence only serve to damn the victim further when people get into that mindset. Not when the person is actually innocent, and demonstrably so. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2008, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-likelihood-palin-will-show-for-the-debate/465866/125 "2008-10-01T14:27:26Z")
I notice that you haven’t denied being an idiot. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2008, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-likelihood-palin-will-show-for-the-debate/465866/126 "2008-10-01T14:28:41Z")
> [@Don\_t\_Call\_Me\_Shirley](#): > > But when \*\*prr \*\*asked him to clarify, and he refused to do so, it became clear that he was just being a dick about it, probably waiting until the cite could not be provided to rub his face in it. That’s what I’m calling him out on, the fact that he handled it like a dick. Shodan has one goal on this board: To derail political conversations and debates. That’s it. He doesn’t offer his own views, he just attempts in thread after thread after thread to change the topic to something where he can then whine that he or his ideology are being picked on. It astonishes me that people can’t see that. Ask him a straight question and he will attempt to change the subject, to claim you only asked because you’re biased, to blame a Democrat, or otherwise derail, derail, derail. I’ve been here for a number of years and read hundreds of his posts and have no idea what he believes. There is no there there. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2008, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-likelihood-palin-will-show-for-the-debate/465866/127 "2008-10-01T14:30:50Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > [I will take that bet.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=624387#post624387) I’m not going to zombify that thread but I could take the same bet for the same reason (I won’t, because I’m sure Palin will turn up, but I could). My experience - virtually identical to yours. Plus I’m sure the item in question is long gone by now anyway. **DCMS:** Some friendly advice - stop digging now. The hole is deep enough. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2008, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-likelihood-palin-will-show-for-the-debate/465866/128 "2008-10-01T14:43:18Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > Shodan has one goal on this board: To derail political conversations and debates. That’s it. He doesn’t offer his own views, he just attempts in thread after thread after thread to change the topic to something where he can then whine that he or his ideology are being picked on. > > It astonishes me that people can’t see that. Ask him a straight question and he will attempt to change the subject, to claim you only asked because you’re biased, to blame a Democrat, or otherwise derail, derail, derail. I’ve been here for a number of years and read hundreds of his posts and have no idea what he believes. There is no there there. I believe you’re a lying bitch. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Don\_t\_Call\_Me\_Shirley](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Don\_t\_Call\_Me\_Shirley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_t_Call_Me_Shirley)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2008, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-likelihood-palin-will-show-for-the-debate/465866/129 "2008-10-01T15:05:16Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > I believe you’re a lying bitch. > > Regards, > Shodan I will say one thing for **Shodan** , every once in a while the juxtaposition of his moronic post and his moronic signature make me laugh. This is one of those times. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@Captain\_Carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Carrot)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2008, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-likelihood-palin-will-show-for-the-debate/465866/130 "2008-10-01T15:15:03Z")
My apologies, **Shodan**. I confused you and **Clothahump**. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2008, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-likelihood-palin-will-show-for-the-debate/465866/131 "2008-10-01T15:15:47Z")
> [@Captain\_Carrot](#): > > My apologies, **Shodan**. I confused you and **Clothahump**. No problem. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2008, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-likelihood-palin-will-show-for-the-debate/465866/132 "2008-10-01T15:21:49Z")
[QUOTE=Voyager] And if monkeys flew out of his butt, he’d so win. [/QUOTE] Oh, no doubt about THAT! Hell, for a trick like that I’d vote for him OR her! Even a single monkey would be something to see… :eek: -XT ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2008, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-likelihood-palin-will-show-for-the-debate/465866/133 "2008-10-01T15:39:40Z")
Anybody who thinks Palin won’t show up for this debate doesn’t remember the 2000 debates. It was predicted to be a bloodbath with the intellectual Gore wiping the floor with yokel Bush. The Bush camp knew he’d never win, so they coached him just to sit there, look friendly, never answer directly, and deflect all issues with some ambiguous phrase like “fuzzy math”. The result? Wild cheering from the base for going up against Gore the Elitist Goliath and not getting entirely dismantled. Palin will be there. She’ll repeat the Bush strategy. Biden will probably overreach and goof. Palin will be praised for not getting totally annihilated. The show goes on. ---
**Author:** ![zut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zut/32/2875_2.png) [@zut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zut)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2008, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-likelihood-palin-will-show-for-the-debate/465866/134 "2008-10-01T18:37:20Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > [I will take that bet.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=624387#post624387) Heh. So will I, for the same reason. I knew that gave me an advantage when cycling in the Tour de France, but I hadn’t realized it came in handy in political debates and bar bets. How promising. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2008, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-likelihood-palin-will-show-for-the-debate/465866/135 "2008-10-01T19:28:02Z")
…still waiting for a cite from **Shodan** re: my post [#81](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10260870&postcount=81) ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2008, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-likelihood-palin-will-show-for-the-debate/465866/136 "2008-10-01T19:29:27Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > … the boobs on the left… Vote lefty! We got boobs! (Well, thats about half the electorate in the bag!) Thanks! **Shodan** ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2008, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-likelihood-palin-will-show-for-the-debate/465866/137 "2008-10-01T19:47:48Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > …still waiting for a cite from **Shodan** re: my post [#81](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10260870&postcount=81) Sorry, didn’t see that earlier. [Cite.](http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5gRVlNCfrTmHF-OGaFGEQyKgQI2Pg) Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Don\_t\_fight\_the\_hypothetical](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/59ef9b/32.png) [@Don\_t\_fight\_the\_hypothetical](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_t_fight_the_hypothetical)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2008, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-likelihood-palin-will-show-for-the-debate/465866/138 "2008-10-01T20:08:56Z")
> [@Captain\_Carrot](#): > > My apologies, **Shodan**. I confused you and **Clothahump**. Funny, I thought the very same thing. I even remembered the thread so off I traipsed off to fetch the damning thing only to find the trail led to the humper of cloth. I would have bailed you out earlier but work prevented posting. Interesting how several of us remembered it that way. NDITF, but come on, this? > [@Shodan](#): > > I believe you’re a lying bitch. > > Regards, > Shodan Really, now… ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2008, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-likelihood-palin-will-show-for-the-debate/465866/139 "2008-10-01T20:36:38Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Vote lefty! We got boobs! > > (Well, thats about half the electorate in the bag!) What has three boobs and two assholes? The Republican ticket. ---
**Author:** ![mlees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@mlees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mlees)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2008, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-likelihood-palin-will-show-for-the-debate/465866/140 "2008-10-01T20:42:24Z")
I’d _so_ like to see Biden call Palin “babycakes”. 😛 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-likelihood-palin-will-show-for-the-debate/465866.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-likelihood-palin-will-show-for-the-debate/465866.md?page=8)