# Predict the outcome of Trump's Canada obsession **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [March 19, 2025, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-the-outcome-of-trumps-canada-obsession/1015820 "2025-03-19T14:33:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2025, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-the-outcome-of-trumps-canada-obsession/1015820/181 "2025-03-26T12:41:01Z")
> [@Michael\_Varn](#): > > It would actually make more since if Trump tried to annex the conservative provinces like Alberta, > Manitoba, Yukon, Nova Scotia, P.E.I., Newfoundland, and Labradore as 7 seperate red states. Uhh… those ain’t conservative, man. Alberta is (by Canadian standards) but the others are not. And “Newfoundland and Labrador” is one province. That’s its whole name. The other obvious problem is some of those are much too small to be states anyway. There’s only 50,000 people in all of Yukon, which is one of the reasons it isn’t a province. ALL Canadian provinces and territories would be blue in the USA, even Alberta. Remember, these people want and expect publicaly funded health care. Of course, not a single Canadian province would vote to become part of the USA anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Gordon\_G](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/3da27b/32.png) [@Gordon\_G](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gordon_G)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2025, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-the-outcome-of-trumps-canada-obsession/1015820/182 "2025-03-26T12:54:40Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > > [@Tired\_and\_Cranky](#): > > > > I think we’re going to have elections in 2026 and 2028. > > I never said we won’t have elections in 2026, I said the results won’t be honored if the Democrats manage to flip enough Red seat in the House to Blue seats. How? I don’t know exactly but everything I’m seeing so far tells me they will find a way. Trump just signed an Executive Order requiring “proof of citizenship” to vote. How will this affect elections? Expect selective enforcement: “I knew yer Grandma, Billie Joe. Y’all doan need no birth certif!” But “Your birth says Ethel D. Jackson, but your driver’s license says Ethel Dee Jackson. Sorry.” ---
**Author:** ![Grey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b782af/32.png) [@Grey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grey)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2025, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-the-outcome-of-trumps-canada-obsession/1015820/183 "2025-03-26T13:07:01Z")
Though a memo from the desk of the executive of the federal government has, or _should_ have, no influence on state level election laws. ---
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2025, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-the-outcome-of-trumps-canada-obsession/1015820/184 "2025-03-26T14:23:57Z")
> [@Michael\_Varn](#): > > I am not sure what Trump’s real agenda with Canada as the 51st state really is. I asked ChatGPT about a theory I had: Yes, if the United States, Canada, and Greenland were combined into a single country, it would be the largest country in the world by land area. Here’s how the land areas compare: - **Canada** : ~9.98 million km² - **United States** : ~9.37 million km² - **Greenland** (an autonomous territory of Denmark): ~2.17 million km² Total: **~21.52 million km²** For comparison: - **Russia** (currently the largest country): ~17.1 million km² This hypothetical North American superstate would be significantly larger than Russia, making it the largest country in the world by a wide margin. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2025, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-the-outcome-of-trumps-canada-obsession/1015820/185 "2025-03-26T16:27:31Z")
> [@orcenio](#): > > The eastern provinces actually are very conservative in my personal estimates (former maritimer myself). However, the type of conservatism that holds the most sway there is old school Toryism Yes, this, plus Newfoundland at least relies a lot on seasonal work, supported by EI during the off season. No way would Trump allow that, but without it, lots of people would be unable to pay their bills. PEI as well. I found a cite from 2007 that it’s about 10% for both. > **[Seasonal workers, by province](https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/71-222-x/2008001/sectioni/i-seasonal-saisonniers-eng.htm)** > > Seasonal workers, by province. The Atlantic provinces have the highest rates of seasonal workers. Section I - Temporary employment. The Canadian Labour Market at a Glance. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2025, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-the-outcome-of-trumps-canada-obsession/1015820/186 "2025-03-26T20:45:33Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > ALL Canadian provinces and territories would be blue in the USA, even Alberta. Assuming the Democrats remain in favor of Canadian independence, yes. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2025, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-the-outcome-of-trumps-canada-obsession/1015820/187 "2025-03-27T21:25:43Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Dementia. No, it’s not dementia. He legitimately wants to conquer Canada. There are some obvious reasons why. To Trump, it makes him seem powerful, like the person he admires more than anyone else, Putin. Trump is basically a mob boss, and taking voer more territory makes him a better, bigger mob boss. It’s also quite likely someone has told him that were the USA to take Canada, it’d make it the biggest country in the world. That matters to Trump. Behind Trump you have oligarchs who look to profit from looting Canada of its resources. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2025, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-the-outcome-of-trumps-canada-obsession/1015820/188 "2025-03-27T21:26:28Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > He legitimately wants to conquer Canada. Cite for Trump wanting to “conquer” Canada, please. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2025, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-the-outcome-of-trumps-canada-obsession/1015820/189 "2025-03-27T21:29:22Z")
Yes, I know, he’s only been hinting at annexation for three months nonstop and talking about how he wants to destroy the Canadian economy to weaken it. Doesn’t mean a thing. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2025, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-the-outcome-of-trumps-canada-obsession/1015820/190 "2025-03-27T21:37:28Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > No, it’s not dementia. He legitimately wants to conquer Canada. It can easily be both; dementia would certainly help explain why he thinks it’s a _good idea._ ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2025, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-the-outcome-of-trumps-canada-obsession/1015820/191 "2025-03-27T21:44:37Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Yes, I know, he’s only been hinting at annexation for three months nonstop and talking about how he wants to destroy the Canadian economy to weaken it. I’m aware. When has he said anything about wanting to “conquer” Canada, or use military force against it at all? Because the only time I know of that he’s been asked about it he specifically ruled that out. > **[Trump suggests he could use military force to acquire Panama Canal and...](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-suggests-use-military-force-acquire-panama-canal-greenland-econo-rcna186610)** > > He has repeatedly quipped in recent weeks that Canada should become the 51st state. [https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5071665-trump-economic-force-canada/](https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5071665-trump-economic-force-canada/) > **[@thealleydoor.bsky.social](https://bsky.app/profile/thealleydoor.bsky.social/post/3lf6ktv6lak2i)** > > Trump said that Canada should become the 51st U.S. state, but vowed not to use military force—only economic force—to put pressure on the country. “That would really be something. “You get rid of that artificially drawn line, and you take a look at... Do you have a source for him saying he wants to use military force against Canada? ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2025, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-the-outcome-of-trumps-canada-obsession/1015820/192 "2025-03-27T21:47:50Z")
I think the logic is that the only way to bring Canada into the USA would be through the use of military force. So if he’s serious about having Canada join the US, and (bizarrely) he seems to be, then it’s going to require the military. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2025, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-the-outcome-of-trumps-canada-obsession/1015820/193 "2025-03-27T21:53:04Z")
This. It’s like listening to somebody talk about how they want all of a bank’s money; the bank isn’t going to _give_ them the money, which means there’s only one way to get it, and pretending otherwise is just silly. ---
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2025, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-the-outcome-of-trumps-canada-obsession/1015820/194 "2025-03-27T21:55:55Z")
You don’t pick up a gun, if you are not going to shoot it. There is no reason to aggress against Canada if Trump isn’t setting up to violate us. We won’t believe him when he says “the gun isn’t loaded”. He lies. He lies every second, in every manner, we know better. There is NO REASON. Stop the threats! Stop the executive orders and rule by man! His words means NOTHING. Rule of law is the only thing we trust. ETA: I just feel the need to repeat. WE OWE TRUMP NOTHING! ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2025, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-the-outcome-of-trumps-canada-obsession/1015820/195 "2025-03-27T22:03:56Z")
> [@orcenio](#): > > He lies. He lies every second, in every manner, we know better. Then doesn’t it follow that he must be lying about wanting Canada to join the US? > [@Dr.Drake](#): > > I think the logic is that the only way to bring Canada into the USA would be through the use of military force. So if he’s serious about having Canada join the US, and (bizarrely) he seems to be, then it’s going to require the military. You’re applying more logic to this than Trump is. The only reason he keeps saying “Canada should be our great 51st state” is because it popped the marks the first time he said it and he’s an utter glutton for attention. The problem is not that Trump is a bloodthirsty conqueror who dreams of riding a tank into the streets of Ottawa. The problem is that he’s not mentally competent and he just says whatever pops into his head with no filter. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2025, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-the-outcome-of-trumps-canada-obsession/1015820/196 "2025-03-27T22:06:19Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Then doesn’t it follow that he must be lying about wanting Canada to join the US? Of course, which is why he’ll use force. The rapist wants to rape a country. ---
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2025, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-the-outcome-of-trumps-canada-obsession/1015820/197 "2025-03-27T22:06:24Z")
Why does he say he’ll annex Canada? Why does he rip up our treaties? Why does he talk of crippling our economy? His words lie, and HIS ACTION SPEAK LOUD! ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2025, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-the-outcome-of-trumps-canada-obsession/1015820/198 "2025-03-27T22:06:52Z")
> [@orcenio](#): > > Why does he say he’ll annex Canada? Why does he rip up our treaties? Why does he talk of crippling our economy? Because he has dementia. ---
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2025, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-the-outcome-of-trumps-canada-obsession/1015820/199 "2025-03-27T22:08:35Z")
Then why is he enabled? Why is his aggression and attacks allowed? Why is he not removed? Canada needs not trust TRUMP OR HIS FASCISTIC TOADIES. We owe him NOTHING. Nothing! ---
**Author:** ![velomont](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/8491ac/32.png) [@velomont](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/velomont)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2025, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-the-outcome-of-trumps-canada-obsession/1015820/200 "2025-03-27T22:08:59Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Then doesn’t it follow that he must be lying about wanting Canada to join the US? Fair enough. He only wants to destroy us, which is much better. For example, he’s threatening to tariff Canada and Europe if we (Canada) try to have separate trade deals with Europe. [https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/27/world/europe/trump-tariff-threat-canada-eu.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/27/world/europe/trump-tariff-threat-canada-eu.html) I genuinely don’t get how or why you can’t see this. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-the-outcome-of-trumps-canada-obsession/1015820.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-the-outcome-of-trumps-canada-obsession/1015820.md?page=11)