# Predict the outcome of Trump's Canada obsession **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [March 19, 2025, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-the-outcome-of-trumps-canada-obsession/1015820 "2025-03-19T14:33:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2025, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-the-outcome-of-trumps-canada-obsession/1015820/221 "2025-03-29T01:59:21Z")
Trump is being cordial ish, is probably because this may, or may not, still be the Prime Minister of Canada by end of next month. He implied they’d meet again, after the election . Why bargain in ernest, with a guy who might be gone in a few weeks? Better to wait and see before concessions/increases/pauses come into play. ---
**Author:** ![WOOKINPANUBv.2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wookinpanubv.2/32/3260_2.png) [@WOOKINPANUBv.2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WOOKINPANUBv.2)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2025, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-the-outcome-of-trumps-canada-obsession/1015820/222 "2025-03-29T02:01:49Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > I cannot find the full context of that quotation, so I may have mischaracterized it. But if a national U.S. Democratic Party leader was quoted saying that, the Democratic Party base, at least on the internet, would be outraged, regardless of context. I’m not sure I understand this part. Why would Dems be mad? ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2025, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-the-outcome-of-trumps-canada-obsession/1015820/223 "2025-03-29T02:24:45Z")
> [@WOOKINPANUBv.2](#): > > I’m not sure I understand this part. Why would Dems be mad? Trump said that his illegal action (tariffs violating an international agreement and highly questionable under U.S. law), planned against the group (Canadians) whose representative (Carney) DJT was talking to, is, at least mostly, still going to take effect next week. And the leader Trump said it to came back with “positive, cordial, constructive — exactly what we want.” If Chuck Schumer (D-NY) said this under some fully analogous circumstance, he might have to resign. Just to make sure I am clear – if Schumer got a substantial concession from Trump – say, if the $400 million dollars was restored to Columbia, and funds were restored to all other affected New York State schools, and the checks had cleared – Schumer should say something nice to Trump. But if Trump was, however politely, restating his intended illegal punishment, just with some slight hope it would be lessened, making Carney’s statement would be a legitimate problem. ---
**Author:** ![WOOKINPANUBv.2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wookinpanubv.2/32/3260_2.png) [@WOOKINPANUBv.2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WOOKINPANUBv.2)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2025, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-the-outcome-of-trumps-canada-obsession/1015820/224 "2025-03-29T03:13:36Z")
Thanks, @PhillyGuy for taking the time to explain; sometimes by Friday evening I’m not firing on all cylinders. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2025, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-the-outcome-of-trumps-canada-obsession/1015820/225 "2025-03-29T12:12:10Z")
I predict that the Trump administration will fsuppress Canadian government billboards this year. What I predict will be squashed: [Canada’s anti-tariff billboards in the U.S. go viral](https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/billboard-tariffs-canada-1.7496882) ---
**Author:** ![MacDoc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/macdoc/32/18696_2.png) [@MacDoc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacDoc)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2025, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-the-outcome-of-trumps-canada-obsession/1015820/226 "2025-03-29T13:44:17Z")
US losing big time on Canadians coming …they just aren’t anymore > **[‘Catastrophic’: Canadian bookings for U.S. travel drop sharply](https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/article/where-have-all-the-snowbirds-gone-canadians-cold-on-us-travel/)** > > Canadian travel to the United States has begun to drop as the North American trade war hits America's tourism industry. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2025, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-the-outcome-of-trumps-canada-obsession/1015820/227 "2025-03-29T15:40:44Z")
> [@Tired\_and\_Cranky](#): > > But also in the meantime, Russia will have rebuilt its military and China will have wildly expanded its global influence by filling two or three critical niches abandoned by America: reliable trading partner, backer of stable currency and debt instruments, and provider of foreign aid. I agree with most of what you said except for this part. China is on its deathbed from… a myriad of problems, the main one of course being 40 years of a one child policy and what that does to your demographics. Russia is a threat due entirely to their nuclear stockpile. Whatever you think of the US and whether we are a waning empire might be true, but China and Russia are at the bare minimum a half century ahead of us in their own collapse. They are not contemporary threats, they are worst case scenarios for our grand children’s USA. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2025, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-the-outcome-of-trumps-canada-obsession/1015820/228 "2025-03-29T18:47:55Z")
> [@Gorsnak](#): > > It’s going to take a lot more than one civil tweet to convince Canadians So far, the reaction I’ve seen is that this is more of his “reverse psychology”, to try to convince us he wants Carney to win, so that we’ll all jump ship to the Conservative party. ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2025, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-the-outcome-of-trumps-canada-obsession/1015820/229 "2025-03-29T18:50:07Z")
I have a really hard time believing that Trump’s trying to play that card, because it would entail him acknowledging that Canadians hate him, and I don’t believe he’s capable of that. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2025, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-the-outcome-of-trumps-canada-obsession/1015820/230 "2025-03-29T18:54:46Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > This seems like a possibly successful effort, from the American side, to manipulate Carney into looking weak. > … > Are many Canadians maybe looking at it that way tonight? Or do almost all of them (wisely in my view) accept that measured and/or inconsistent responses to Trump’s bullying are in the Canadian national interest? I think the only people who will think this makes Carney look weak are the ones who were never going to vote for him in the first place. A lot of the Conservative voters are stuck in the mindset of arguing about this election as if it were still six months ago, before all this Trumpian Nonsense threw everything into disarray. Most Canadians know that our government has to use kid gloves to handle Trump, because we recognize both that he’s a big man baby, and that he has real power, that he won’t hesitate to use against us. It’s how we got through the last NAFTA renegotiation, and it’s how we’ll get through this. Talk quietly, but stand firm. Panic serves only Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2025, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-the-outcome-of-trumps-canada-obsession/1015820/231 "2025-03-29T19:00:02Z")
> [@Gorsnak](#): > > I have a really hard time believing that Trump’s trying to play that card, because it would entail him acknowledging that Canadians hate him, and I don’t believe he’s capable of that Except that we know he knows about “Never Trumpers”, and he considers us an entire nation of NTs. Plus, it’s not the first time he’s tried it: > **[Eric Ham: Why Trump said he’d rather ‘deal with a Liberal than a...](https://www.ctvnews.ca/federal-election-2025/article/eric-ham-why-trump-said-hed-rather-deal-with-a-liberal-than-a-conservative-prime-minister-of-canada/)** > > In his column for CTVNews.ca, Washington political analyst Eric Ham explains why he thinks President Trump, in a recent interview on Fox, said he'd rather deal with a Liberal prime minister of Canada over a Conservative. And some people are amplifying that message, as stupid as it is: [https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/video/9.6703010](https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/video/9.6703010) ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2025, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-the-outcome-of-trumps-canada-obsession/1015820/232 "2025-03-30T17:55:43Z")
> [@elbows](#): > > He implied they’d meet again, after the election . Why bargain in ernest, with a guy who might be gone in a few weeks? Better to wait and see before concessions/increases/pauses come into play. If auto tariffs happen on April 2, at least one hundred thousand people on both sides of the border (and more still in Mexico) will be out of their jobs by the time the election happens, with more soon to come after. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2025, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-the-outcome-of-trumps-canada-obsession/1015820/233 "2025-04-02T00:05:47Z")
> [@Dr.Drake](#): > > So if he’s serious about having Canada join the US, and (bizarrely) he seems to be, He does? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2025, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-the-outcome-of-trumps-canada-obsession/1015820/234 "2025-04-02T00:12:45Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > He does? Yes, despite how determined some people are to remain in denial. He’s talking exactly like dictators do when they intend a war of conquest. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2025, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-the-outcome-of-trumps-canada-obsession/1015820/235 "2025-04-02T00:55:11Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > Is Trump trying to manipulate the outcome of the Canadian election, and will he succeed? I doubt he is trying to, but it does look like he succeeded in saving the ass of the Liberals, so that’s a nice silver lining. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2025, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-the-outcome-of-trumps-canada-obsession/1015820/236 "2025-04-02T03:06:00Z")
As I posted on the Greenland thread, a White House leaker today told WaPo that Trump thinks Greenland will be easier than the Canal Zone or Canada. This does reduce the risk to Canada, or least delay it. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2025, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-the-outcome-of-trumps-canada-obsession/1015820/237 "2025-04-02T17:43:06Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > Trump thinks Greenland will be easier than the Canal Zone or Canada. This does reduce the risk to Canada, or least delay it. Physically, Greenland would be easier. There’s just not many people there, so the US could conquer it with a relatively small force. But Greenland is the canary in the coal mine. It’s not about how easy it would be to conquer, it would be about how people react to it. Would MAGA go that far? Would the current opposition in the US step up and take real action? Would other countries sanction the US, and try to isolate it from the rest of the world? If Trump can take Greenland with few consequences, he’ll start looking at Panama next, and then Canada. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2025, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-the-outcome-of-trumps-canada-obsession/1015820/238 "2025-04-02T22:33:54Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > Would the current opposition in the US step up and take real action? The only real action I have heard proposed was to hand Trump a so-called government shutdown resulting in him legally doing much of what he now is doing illegally.. The situation in Turkey and Hungary has nothing to do with failure of the opposition to take “real action.” Same in the U.S. > [@Horatius](#): > > Would other countries sanction the US, and try to isolate it from the rest of the world? This is far more practical than the U.S. opposition doing anything other than trying to win elections.,It would harm all nations but there may be little choice, and I think it could work. ---
**Author:** ![moes\_lotion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ba0ec/32.png) [@moes\_lotion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/moes_lotion)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2025, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-the-outcome-of-trumps-canada-obsession/1015820/239 "2025-04-24T17:21:09Z")
News today that our Prime Minister was not totally forthcoming in his earlier comments about the March 28 phone call with Trump. Mark Carney’s original comment was that Trump “respected Canadian sovereignty” during the call, but now admits that the orange blowhard did bring up his 51st state idea during the call. The CBC News link below also says that Trump repeated his lies about how the U.S.A. subsidizes Canada and again suggested that we should be a 51st state during remarks at the White House earlier today. [CBC Canada election updates](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/livestory/canada-election-carney-confirms-trump-made-51st-state-comment-during-1st-call-9.6734073) ---
**Author:** ![Steven\_Maven](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steven_maven/32/3272_2.png) [@Steven\_Maven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steven_Maven)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2025, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-the-outcome-of-trumps-canada-obsession/1015820/240 "2025-08-06T02:03:34Z")
Forget about Canada, Greenland, The Panama Canal Zone, or Gaza becoming states. The most obvious country to annex is MEXICO. In one fell swoop, that would instantly reduce illegal immigration to almost zero. We would save billions of dollars by closing the border patrol and checkpoints. I could go on and on. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-the-outcome-of-trumps-canada-obsession/1015820.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-the-outcome-of-trumps-canada-obsession/1015820.md?page=13)