# Predict the outcome of Trump's Canada obsession **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [March 19, 2025, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-the-outcome-of-trumps-canada-obsession/1015820 "2025-03-19T14:33:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2025, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-the-outcome-of-trumps-canada-obsession/1015820/41 "2025-03-19T20:59:07Z")
> [@NDP](#): > > I can imagine certain states or regions of the US would find the idea of a war against Canada abhorrent and decide to secede rather than take part in it. In which case I would move to one of them. ---
**Author:** ![MacDoc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/macdoc/32/18696_2.png) [@MacDoc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacDoc)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2025, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-the-outcome-of-trumps-canada-obsession/1015820/42 "2025-03-19T21:06:54Z")
your not in new york or calif ? đŸ€š ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2025, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-the-outcome-of-trumps-canada-obsession/1015820/43 "2025-03-19T21:07:44Z")
Why would you think I am? ---
**Author:** ![MacDoc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/macdoc/32/18696_2.png) [@MacDoc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacDoc)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2025, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-the-outcome-of-trumps-canada-obsession/1015820/44 "2025-03-19T21:09:35Z")
then you wouldn’t have to move 😉 Canadians wish to aid and abet secession. We’d approve Orgeon and Washington to keep the land links intact. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2025, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-the-outcome-of-trumps-canada-obsession/1015820/45 "2025-03-19T21:16:04Z")
> [@NDP](#): > > Maybe not a revolution, but a civil war would be more likely. No, there’s not going to be a civil war, especially over attacking another nation. Just the extermination of everyone who dared ever defy the Right or has the wrong skin tone. But people just don’t start civil wars over attacking some _other_ nation. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2025, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-the-outcome-of-trumps-canada-obsession/1015820/46 "2025-03-19T21:28:17Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > > [@wolfpup](#): > > > > This is all coming from social media chatter. In any case if the UN formulated any such rebuke the US would just veto it. > > The US can’t veto the UN General Assembly. You’re correct. I conflated a recent UNGA resolution with a recent US veto in the Security Council. But it’s worth mentioning that the UNGA resolution I was thinking of was one that was tabled by European countries condemning the Russian invasion of Ukraine and affirming their support for the sovereignty of Ukraine. While the US couldn’t veto the resolution in the General Assembly, incredibly, they **voted against it, siding with Russia**. Thankfully, most member countries being at least relatively civilized, the resolution still passed. ---
**Author:** ![NDP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ndp/32/55_2.png) [@NDP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NDP)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2025, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-the-outcome-of-trumps-canada-obsession/1015820/47 "2025-03-19T21:33:57Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > But people just don’t start civil wars over attacking some _other_ nation. They’ll do it if enough of them think the action is ludicrous, indefensible, and colossally stupid. As I stated in my previous post, the New England states almost bolted over the War of 1812 which involved an invasion of Canada. Something like that would likely happen again if Trump follows through with his asinine obsession of annexing Canada. > **[Opposition to the War of 1812 in the United States](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opposition_to_the_War_of_1812_in_the_United_States)** > > Opposition to the War of 1812 was widespread in the United States, especially in New England. Many New Englanders opposed the conflict on political, economic, and religious grounds. When the Embargo Act of 1807 failed to remedy the situation with the United Kingdom, with Britain refusing to rescind the Orders in Council (1807) and the French continuing their decrees, certain Democratic-Republicans known as war hawks felt compelled to persuade the United States government to declare war on the ... ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2025, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-the-outcome-of-trumps-canada-obsession/1015820/48 "2025-03-19T21:36:45Z")
> [@NDP](#): > > As I stated in my previous post, the New England states almost bolted over the War of 1812 which involved an invasion of Canada. That was a long, long time ago. These days I can’t imagine Americans fighting a civil war even to save _themselves,_ much less somebody else. And the modern military would just crush an attempt at civil war in a one-sided slaughter, anyway. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2025, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-the-outcome-of-trumps-canada-obsession/1015820/49 "2025-03-19T21:38:57Z")
> [@NDP](#): > > Maybe not a revolution, but a civil war would be more likely. I can imagine certain states or regions of the US would find the idea of a war against Canada abhorrent and decide to secede rather than take part in it. This almost happened in the War of 1812 when New England, which opposed the war, threatened to secede unless it was brought to a close. This is my fervent hope, that some state governments oppose the attack on Russia and that the western democracies foment secessionist movements within the US. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2025, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-the-outcome-of-trumps-canada-obsession/1015820/50 "2025-03-19T21:43:18Z")
There’s no way any states would be allowed to secede. The fascists would nuke them first. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2025, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-the-outcome-of-trumps-canada-obsession/1015820/51 "2025-03-20T03:33:48Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > > [@Horatius](#): > > > > And it wasn’t all that long ago we had to do that anyways, so The North Remembers. > > I mean, I don’t remember that, and I’m 53. I am the same age, and grew up in the US, but my mother grew up in Canada and certainly remembers, and so I have this lore from oral tradition and a source I can check. We’ll manage! On another note, for those who think military action will happen, on what timeline? Within days, weeks, in 2026 to distract from upcoming elections? I find the notion to ridiculous to contemplate, but I also find that sober people with deep knowledge are taking it seriously, so I can’t dismiss the possibility out of hand as I’d like to. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2025, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-the-outcome-of-trumps-canada-obsession/1015820/52 "2025-03-20T03:39:36Z")
> [@Dr.Drake](#): > > On another note, for those who think military action will happen, on what timeline? Within a year, I think. Trump isn’t patient. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2025, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-the-outcome-of-trumps-canada-obsession/1015820/53 "2025-03-20T04:19:45Z")
> [@Dr.Drake](#): > > I am the same age, and grew up in the US, but my mother grew up in Canada and certainly remembers, and so I have this lore from oral tradition and a source I can check. We’ll manage! Yes, this is what I was thinking of. Gen X had it pretty good, but our parents remember, if you ask them. My mother is from Newfoundland, and we retained an old Christmas tradition of getting an orange in our stocking on Christmas morning. When she was growing up, that was often the only fresh fruit they’d see in the winter months. Someone would send a boat of fish south just before Christmas, and come back with a load of oranges to sell. Northern cultures have been dealing with this for thousands of years, we just need to suck it up and persevere. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2025, 6:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-the-outcome-of-trumps-canada-obsession/1015820/54 "2025-03-20T06:22:33Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > These days I can’t imagine Americans fighting a civil war even to save _themselves,_ much less somebody else. But you can imagine them slaughtering civilians by the millions just for fun. Go figure. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2025, 7:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-the-outcome-of-trumps-canada-obsession/1015820/55 "2025-03-20T07:13:17Z")
It is like fighting _for_ the government and fighting _against_ the government are two entirely different things. Go figure. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2025, 7:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-the-outcome-of-trumps-canada-obsession/1015820/56 "2025-03-20T07:38:26Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > But you can imagine them slaughtering civilians by the millions just for fun. Sure, it’s _never_ been very hard to get people to commit genocide. And America is a society built on hatred. ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2025, 8:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-the-outcome-of-trumps-canada-obsession/1015820/57 "2025-03-20T08:02:42Z")
> [@GailForce](#): > > Is there any part of NATO’s charter that addresses the question of what to do if one member attacks another member? _Article 5_ _“The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognized by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area._ “such action as _ **it** _ deems necessary” How far could anyone go without effectively giving Putin the collapse of NATO, Five Eyes, etc? What are the chances of, say, successfully encouraging mutinies among key UK-based US personnel? ---
**Author:** ![Mikkel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mikkel/32/13151_2.png) [@Mikkel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mikkel)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2025, 8:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-the-outcome-of-trumps-canada-obsession/1015820/58 "2025-03-20T08:07:21Z")
> [@rippingtons\_fan](#): > > Turkey and Greece are both NATO nations, and they went to war with each other. Would that provide Trump with justification for going to war with Canada? I have wondered the same thing. UN did send peacekeaping forces to Cyprus, but Nato did nothing, at least as I remember the conflict. I assume that something was done behind scenes. I hope that the rest of Nato and UN will come to the aid of Canada. ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2025, 8:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-the-outcome-of-trumps-canada-obsession/1015820/59 "2025-03-20T08:17:56Z")
Greece and Turkey weren’t directly attacking each other in 1974. A coup d’état in Cyprus backed by the military dictatorship in Greece led to a Turkish invasion of parts of Cyprus (and the Greek junta and their Greek Cypriot protĂ©gĂ©s soon collapsed) . Doubtful who counted as legal or effective authorities in Greece or Cyprus, had they tried to invoke Article 5, let alone whether other NATO countries wanted to take the initiative to intervene militarily in the absence of such a call. Instead the UN peacekeeping route was chosen. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2025, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-the-outcome-of-trumps-canada-obsession/1015820/60 "2025-03-20T12:39:42Z")
> [@Dr.Drake](#): > > On another note, for those who think military action will happen, on what timeline? Within days, weeks, in 2026 to distract from upcoming elections? I think the sequence will be Panama Canal and then a border “correction” with Canada. I think that Panama will happen next year. Territorial expansion is a hallmark of fascist moments. Im curious why you think that this is a ridiculous scenario? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-the-outcome-of-trumps-canada-obsession/1015820.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-the-outcome-of-trumps-canada-obsession/1015820.md?page=4)