# Predictions for "A Song of Ice and Fire" \[spoilers\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 5, 2014, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predictions-for-a-song-of-ice-and-fire-spoilers/690160 "2014-06-05T23:52:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![LinusK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/258eb7/32.png) [@LinusK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LinusK)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2014, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predictions-for-a-song-of-ice-and-fire-spoilers/690160/1 "2014-06-05T23:52:17Z")
1. Will RR Martin die before he finishes the books? Yes. 1. Who will ride the dragons? We know Dani rides Drogon, the black one. Jon Snow will ride the white. We know only Targaryens can ride dragons, and the only other surviving Targaryen is Aegon, which leaves him the green. Of course, RR can produce another one, which would leave my last prediction moot. 1. Will Jon Snow die? No. Melisandre will save him, which will leave him with changed, most likely with blackened skin, like the skin on the Greyjoy captain’s hand. 1. Is Stannis the promised one? No. It’s Snow, not Stannis. Stannis may well occupy the Iron throne, however. Other predictions welcomed. ---
**Author:** ![epbrown01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@epbrown01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/epbrown01)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2014, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predictions-for-a-song-of-ice-and-fire-spoilers/690160/2 "2014-06-06T00:20:50Z")
> [@LinusK](#): > > 1. Will RR Martin die before he finishes the books? > > Yes. Does anyone know if he’s even working on them anymore? Really, I thought they were dragging by book three, so my plan was to wait until he finished the series before reading further. He’s only 65 now so there is time. ---
**Author:** ![Zsofia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7bcc69/32.png) [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2014, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predictions-for-a-song-of-ice-and-fire-spoilers/690160/3 "2014-06-06T00:27:51Z")
Just saw him at Con Carolinas. He seemed a lot more interested in working on his Westeros compendium than the actual books, but he did read from the next one. Guy actually gives pretty good Q&A. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2014, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predictions-for-a-song-of-ice-and-fire-spoilers/690160/4 "2014-06-06T01:05:09Z")
> [@LinusK](#): > > 1. Will RR Martin die before he finishes the books? > > Yes. I’ll say no, optimistically. > [@](#): > > 1. Who will ride the dragons? > > We know Dani rides Drogon, the black one. Jon Snow will ride the white. We know only Targaryens can ride dragons, and the only other surviving Targaryen is Aegon, which leaves him the green. Of course, RR can produce another one, which would leave my last prediction moot. In “The Princess and the Queen”, non-Targaryens ride dragons, so this is incorrect. My bet is Dany, Jon Snow, and Tyrion. > [@](#): > > 1. Will Jon Snow die? > > No. Melisandre will save him, which will leave him with changed, most likely with blackened skin, like the skin on the Greyjoy captain’s hand. No, he’ll warg into Ghost, so his ‘spirit’ will survive, and then Mel will help him get back into his body (which will probably be frozen), perhaps even before his body dies (and she’ll heal it). > [@](#): > > 1. Is Stannis the promised one? > > No. It’s Snow, not Stannis. Stannis may well occupy the Iron throne, however. > > Other predictions welcomed. No. I think it might be Dany. ---
**Author:** ![Fair\_Rarity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fair_rarity/32/153_2.png) [@Fair\_Rarity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fair_Rarity)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2014, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predictions-for-a-song-of-ice-and-fire-spoilers/690160/5 "2014-06-06T01:25:29Z")
1. Will RR Martin die before he finishes the books? No. Or if he does it’ll be because he gave up on them on purpose. 1. Who will ride the dragons? Dany, Jon, Tyrion (using the horn that Greyjoy has). I think a 4th might be hatched and Aegon will ride one of them. Although without that 5-year time skip, I do wonder if they’re going to be all be big enough… 1. Will Jon Snow die? No. I’m fairly certain he’ll come back normal too. 1. Is Stannis the promised one? Nope. It’s Jon and/or Dany. ---
**Author:** ![TruCelt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/trucelt/32/523_2.png) [@TruCelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TruCelt)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2014, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predictions-for-a-song-of-ice-and-fire-spoilers/690160/6 "2014-06-06T01:32:25Z")
1. Will RR Martin die before he finishes the books? No. 1. Who will ride the dragons? Dany Jon Tyrion. Although dragons have had more then one rider, just no rider has ridden more than one dragon. So one of the Ironborn may succeed with their horn, but the three will wind up DJT. 1. Will Jon Snow die? He is dead, thus freeing him from his “Watch” oath. Melisandre will bring him back. 1. Is Stannis the promised one? I thought that Dany was obviously Azor Ahai. (sp?) I mean, she sacrificed her love and reached into the fire and pulled out the perfect weapon to save them all from the creeping night. I can’t see any doubt here. ---
**Author:** ![Fishtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ed655f/32.png) [@Fishtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fishtar)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2014, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predictions-for-a-song-of-ice-and-fire-spoilers/690160/7 "2014-06-06T01:50:47Z")
George will most certainly die before it is finished. All the great fantasy guys do this, it is tradition. Jon will be revealed to be Dany’s half brother. There will be incest (she cannot bear children). I think Arya will be the third rider. She and Jon can control the dragons. Stannis’s days are numbered. Jon is the promised one. Everyone is going to die. ---
**Author:** ![grude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47774/32.png) [@grude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grude)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2014, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predictions-for-a-song-of-ice-and-fire-spoilers/690160/8 "2014-06-06T01:58:03Z")
I think the white walkers built the wall, although recent revelations(they need human infants to reproduce) kinda muddles things. But come on a enormous wall of ice, made with magic? There is only one species we have seen have ice cities… ---
**Author:** ![grude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47774/32.png) [@grude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grude)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2014, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predictions-for-a-song-of-ice-and-fire-spoilers/690160/9 "2014-06-06T01:59:23Z")
> [@Fishtar](#): > > Everyone is going to die. This is also true in real life, and just as meaningless. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2014, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predictions-for-a-song-of-ice-and-fire-spoilers/690160/10 "2014-06-06T01:59:23Z")
Jon is actually Dany’s nephew, not her brother. Jon’s father is Rhaegar, the Mad King’s son. ---
**Author:** ![bump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7c8e57/32.png) [@bump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bump)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2014, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predictions-for-a-song-of-ice-and-fire-spoilers/690160/11 "2014-06-06T02:39:09Z")
> [@grude](#): > > I think the white walkers built the wall, although recent revelations(they need human infants to reproduce) kinda muddles things. > > But come on a enormous wall of ice, made with magic? There is only one species we have seen have ice cities… Supposedly Bran the Builder (Brandon Stark, first of his name) built the Wall and Winterfell with the help of giants, some 8000 years prior to the events of the books. The Night’s Watch was founded at roughly the same time, but slightly earlier, and helped drive the Others back north, and allowed the First Men to build the wall. ---
**Author:** ![LinusK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/258eb7/32.png) [@LinusK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LinusK)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2014, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predictions-for-a-song-of-ice-and-fire-spoilers/690160/12 "2014-06-06T03:08:11Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Jon is actually Dany’s nephew, not her brother. Jon’s father is Rhaegar, the Mad King’s son. Yeah… It’s only that he takes after his mother’s side, not his fathers, at least in looks. But he’s still Targaryen. Fishtar: Dani can bear children. The blood in the last chapter of the last book is a miscarriage. Daario’s child. The prophesy is: _“When the sun rises in the west and sets in the east,” said Mirri Maz Duur. “When the seas go dry and mountains blow in the wind like leaves. When your womb quickens again, and you bear a living child. Then he will return, and not before.”_ The sea that goes dry will be the Dothraki Sea. The other two I’m not sure about, though Tyrion mentions the “sun” rising in the west and setting in the east on his voyage to Meereen. Prince Martyll’s death could also seen as a fulfillment of that prophecy. Dani will name her first son Drogon, and then “Drogon” will be returned to her. iiandyiii: Which book is the “Princess and the Queen” in? I’m not sure why everybody thinks Tyrion will be riding a dragon. It’s out of character for him. ---
**Author:** ![Hellestal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3ab097/32.png) [@Hellestal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hellestal)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2014, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predictions-for-a-song-of-ice-and-fire-spoilers/690160/13 "2014-06-06T03:21:05Z")
> [@LinusK](#): > > I’m not sure why everybody thinks Tyrion will be riding a dragon. It’s out of character for him. From the first book: > [@](#): > > “When I was your age, I used to dream of having a dragon of my own.” > > “You did?” the boy said suspiciously. Perhaps he thought Tyrion was making fun of him. > > “Oh, yes. Even a stunted, twisted, ugly little boy can look down over the world when he’s seated on a dragon’s back.” Tyrion pushed the bearskin aside and climbed to his feet. “I used to start fires in the bowels of Casterly Rock and stare at the flames for hours, pretending they were dragonfire…” What you refer to as “out of character” is one of his deepest childhood dreams. He still dreams of dragons as an adult, and he did before Dany’s eggs ever hatched. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2014, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predictions-for-a-song-of-ice-and-fire-spoilers/690160/14 "2014-06-06T04:30:31Z")
> [@LinusK](#): > > iiandyiii: Which book is the “Princess and the Queen” in? It’s in the “Dangerous Women” Anthology. ---
**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2014, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predictions-for-a-song-of-ice-and-fire-spoilers/690160/15 "2014-06-06T04:43:57Z")
I’m surprised so many of you think Jon Snow will live. It’s not like Martin doesn’t mind killing off major characters. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2014, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predictions-for-a-song-of-ice-and-fire-spoilers/690160/16 "2014-06-06T05:24:19Z")
> [@Deeg](#): > > I’m surprised so many of you think Jon Snow will live. It’s not like Martin doesn’t mind killing off major characters. It’s established that wargs can transfer into animals upon death. Melisandre has a vision that Jon is a man, then a wolf, then a man again. The Red God can bring people back from death. I’ve never assumed that having three dragon riders will literally happen. I really hope it doesn’t, because fuck that cliche fantasy shit. As for the questions: Yes, Dany, No, No. ---
**Author:** ![LinusK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/258eb7/32.png) [@LinusK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LinusK)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2014, 6:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predictions-for-a-song-of-ice-and-fire-spoilers/690160/17 "2014-06-06T06:07:24Z")
> [@Hellestal](#): > > From the first book:What you refer to as “out of character” is one of his deepest childhood dreams. He still dreams of dragons as an adult, and he did before Dany’s eggs ever hatched. I used to want to ride dragons too, when I was a kid. But Quentyn proved it takes more than wanting to, in Martin’s world, to do it. Everyone agreed it was foolish, what Quentyn did, and he died for tying it. Dani herself nearly died, facing Drogon, despite being 100% Targaryen, the Mother of Dragons, virtually fearless, and immune to fire. And even she can’t (yet) control her dragon. Tyrion is anything but foolish. He’s calculating, he’s shrewd, and he has no wish to die. He can be brave, but he doesn’t take foolish risks. He has no reason to think, should he come face to face with with a dragon, it would do anything but eat him. ---
**Author:** ![LinusK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/258eb7/32.png) [@LinusK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LinusK)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2014, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predictions-for-a-song-of-ice-and-fire-spoilers/690160/18 "2014-06-06T06:09:40Z")
> [@ISiddiqui](#): > > It’s in the “Dangerous Women” Anthology. Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![LinusK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/258eb7/32.png) [@LinusK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LinusK)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2014, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predictions-for-a-song-of-ice-and-fire-spoilers/690160/19 "2014-06-06T06:24:19Z")
> [@Deeg](#): > > I’m surprised so many of you think Jon Snow will live. It’s not like Martin doesn’t mind killing off major characters. He doesn’t. And that’s one of the great things about his books. But there are a few characters even Martin can’t kill. Snow is one of them. So is Dani. It’s the Song of Ice and Fire. Snow is Ice, Dani is Fire. They can’t die, at least until they do whatever they’re supposed to do together. Aegon the Conqueror had three dragons. The other two were ridden by his sister-wives. If Martin wants symmetry (and I hope he does), Dani will ride Drogon, and two male relatives will ride the other two. The living Aegon is (supposedly) her brother. Jon is her nephew. So far as we know, they are the only living blood she has. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2014, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predictions-for-a-song-of-ice-and-fire-spoilers/690160/20 "2014-06-06T14:16:12Z")
I don’t thing GRRM will finish the series. In fact, I don’t think we’ll ever see another book. His editor just mentioned that maybe it will be an 8 volume series. I think GRRM is kind of stuck in some kind of neurotic cycle with these books and can’t finish them [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predictions-for-a-song-of-ice-and-fire-spoilers/690160.md?page=2)