Predictions: Will the DADT repeal pass the Senate?

By that logic, Clinton should get the blame for DADT existing and credit for its ending, since the current DADT-free framework was his original plan. Clinton isn’t blamed so much for DADT because, again, his original idea was for homosexuals to be allowed to serve openly, and because DADT was seen as seen as the lesser of two evils next to the previous outright ban on homosexuals serving, openly or secretly.

In comparison, Bush (or actually, the Bush administration) authored both the Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2001 and the Jobs and Growth Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2003 that collectively created all the tax cuts attributed to Bush. Using your logic, whether others supported it or not is irrelevant, since voters (at the time) and other politicians supported DADT also.

appleciders, Cubsfan is Navy, IIRC.

DADT was devised as the lesser of two evils. At the time, it was either that or homosexuals couldn’t serve at all (the previous policy).

It was a crime for them to serve. At all.

Technically, it was a crime for them to engage in homosexual conduct. It was okay for them to be homosexual. Distinction without difference, of course.

Well, anyone can be celibate, and that’s always the safest course for a soldier, straight or gay, isn’t it?

Because “Tax Cuts” is ambiguous - you need additional information to be able to tell which tax cuts the speaker is referring to. “Bush” tax cuts is a clear and concise way to specify.

DADT is not ambiguous, and needs no further clarification for the reader.

Well, that depends. Are they in a horror movie?

Not really. It wasn’t a “crime” per se. And, the Military has often had rules against engaging in heterosexual conduct- for example, enlisted with officers and with any other members during basic training. As MEBuckner sez, “sodomy” is a crime hetero- *or *homo-sexual. Likely that will go away, too.

That’s a technicality only though, and one not always observed. Some were discharged due to third person evidence that they were gay which had nothing to do with sexual behavior. Bleu Copaswas discharged because of an investigation launched by anonymous accusations that he had homosexual affairs off-duty while in service; he never “told” but he was most definitely asked.

WHOA WHOA WHOA…this isn’t the Pit.

USAF. :wink:

Pity. The Navy has a long tradition of open mindedness on gay issues.

Oops. :smack:

Good point… I trust you (and others) don’t have any problem with “Obamacare”.

“Health care” is too ambiguous … unless of course someone want to suggest that the Democrats voted to give it to us and the Republicans don’t want us to have it.