# Present evidence for the existence of your deity **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [April 23, 2012, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/present-evidence-for-the-existence-of-your-deity/619737 "2012-04-23T19:45:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![TravisT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ea5d25/32.png) [@TravisT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TravisT)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/present-evidence-for-the-existence-of-your-deity/619737/381 "2012-04-26T15:07:38Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Is this some sort of “Spot The Mistakes” game? Explain? I just think that no side is convincing the other side. I wonder what’s the point after awhile. Though, I keep coming back. Because I find it interesting, I suppose. So maybe I’ve answered my own question. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/present-evidence-for-the-existence-of-your-deity/619737/382 "2012-04-26T15:19:34Z")
> [@TravisT](#): > > Explain? We use _much_ more than 10% of our brain. Psychics _don’t_ find lost bodies or help solve murders. There may be things that science has _yet_ to explain, but I can’t think of anything that science isn’t eventually capable of explaining-do you know of some sort of limit past which science cannot go? ---
**Author:** ![TravisT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ea5d25/32.png) [@TravisT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TravisT)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/present-evidence-for-the-existence-of-your-deity/619737/383 "2012-04-26T15:25:46Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > We use _much_ more than 10% of our brain. Psychics _don’t_ find lost bodies or help solve murders. There may be things that science has _yet_ to explain, but I can’t think of anything that science isn’t eventually capable of explaining-do you know of some sort of limit past which science cannot go? I did research and you’re right about 10% and psychics. Goes to show how so many of us will accept what we’re told without looking into it ourselves. But back to the questions of science. I’m saynig right now, there are many mysteries that cannot be explained. That’s why there are so many conflicting theories out there attempting to do just that. Yes, eventually science will continue to explain these things. I have another question: What is your interpretation of the double slit experiments? ---
**Author:** ![CurtC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce73a5/32.png) [@CurtC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CurtC)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/present-evidence-for-the-existence-of-your-deity/619737/384 "2012-04-26T15:27:54Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Do you seriously believe that you are the _only_ Christian posting in this thread? Well, obviously he’s the only True Christian. > [@TravisT](#): > > We know we use only about 10% of our brain’s capacity… > > … but that there have been instances where psychics have found bodies and solved murders. It’s already been pointed out that both of these statements are false. > [@](#): > > I’ve presented theories (Dr. Goswami’s non-local consciousness) that would explain some of these… That wasn’t a theory - it was very speculative conjecture from someone whose views are _far_ outside the mainstream of science. There’s nothing in quantum physics that requires the existence of consciousness. > [@TravisT](#): > > Though, I would suggest it would be far more difficult to prove that God doesn’t exist than to prove It/He/She does. That depends on the definition of “God.” Science has disproved older ideas about God/gods, like being responsible for the Garden of Eden, or for throwing lightning bolts. As science finds more and more about our world, people who believe in gods have had to continually reduce what these gods are supposed to do. I guess you can’t disprove gods absolutely, because there can always be someone who redefines his god to be outside whatever disproof is offered. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/present-evidence-for-the-existence-of-your-deity/619737/385 "2012-04-26T15:28:30Z")
> [@TravisT](#): > > I did research and you’re right about 10% and psychics. Goes to show how so many of us will accept what we’re told without looking into it ourselves. But back to the questions of science. I’m saynig right now, there are many mysteries that cannot be explained. That’s why there are so many conflicting theories out there attempting to do just that. Yes, eventually science will continue to explain these things. I have another question: What is your interpretation of the double slit experiments? What is there to explain? The math is accurate, but when we try to define a photon as being either a particle or a wave we fail, as it does not really have an exact analog in our macro-scopic sensorium. ---
**Author:** ![GEEPERS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c89c15/32.png) [@GEEPERS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GEEPERS)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/present-evidence-for-the-existence-of-your-deity/619737/386 "2012-04-26T15:28:57Z")
> [@Musicat](#): > > It’s been pointed out to you repeatedly that there are many Christians who are Dopers. They just don’t accept your claims as valid evidence. Not accepting your claims does not make them non-Christians. > > [See CurtC’s Post #364](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15005461&postcount=364) Are you serious? I’m claiming that the Bible is historical fact and God is indeed real. These many “Christians” certainly didn’t chime in to defend the word of God. I don’t see how anyone can claim to be a Christian yet disagree on these basic tenents. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/present-evidence-for-the-existence-of-your-deity/619737/387 "2012-04-26T15:29:15Z")
> [@TravisT](#): > > I did research and you’re right about 10% and psychics. Goes to show how so many of us will accept what we’re told without looking into it ourselves. But back to the questions of science. I’m saynig right now, there are many mysteries that cannot be explained. That’s why there are so many conflicting theories out there attempting to do just that. Yes, eventually science will continue to explain these things. I have another question: What is your interpretation of the double slit experiments? I think it, and your contention that science has a set limit, would be a great topic…for another thread, ---
**Author:** ![GEEPERS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c89c15/32.png) [@GEEPERS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GEEPERS)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/present-evidence-for-the-existence-of-your-deity/619737/388 "2012-04-26T15:31:07Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Do you seriously believe that you are the _only_ Christian posting in this thread? I said “majority”. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/present-evidence-for-the-existence-of-your-deity/619737/389 "2012-04-26T15:33:06Z")
> [@drewtwo99](#): > > The evidence is going to all be the same, guys. Our planet is too perfect to have occured randomly. Life is complex to have happened randomly. Cite? Personally, I think it did happen randomly. I have no proof of that, but it makes a lot more sense than the theory of some old bearded guy in the sky getting bored one day and creating us for his entertainment. ---
**Author:** ![Meatros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Meatros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meatros)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/present-evidence-for-the-existence-of-your-deity/619737/390 "2012-04-26T15:33:42Z")
> [@GEEPERS](#): > > Are you serious? I’m claiming that the Bible is historical fact and God is indeed real. These many “Christians” certainly didn’t chime in to defend the word of God. > > I don’t see how anyone can claim to be a Christian yet disagree on these basic tenents. Just some quick questions: Do you think that a ‘true’ Christian (IYO) has to hold to a global flood? That A&E are real? That evolution didn’t occur? That the earth is under a million years old? ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/present-evidence-for-the-existence-of-your-deity/619737/391 "2012-04-26T15:37:00Z")
> [@TravisT](#): > > I don’t mean to speak for the atheists, Then don’t! Please? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/present-evidence-for-the-existence-of-your-deity/619737/392 "2012-04-26T15:43:13Z")
> [@GEEPERS](#): > > Are you serious? I’m claiming that the Bible is historical fact and God is indeed real. These many “Christians” certainly didn’t chime in to defend the word of God. The problem is that your literalist interpretation of the Bible tends to contradict geology, physics, archeology, and other sciences. So Christians who believe in the general teachings of Jesus but who are not literalists probably won’t defend your mistakes on topics that really have nothing to do with the ethical teachings of the religion. Many of them understand that things like Eden and the flood are stories or myths created by people with biases and limited scientific knowledge because that happens to be exactly what they are. Your problems with this discussion stem from the fact that in general you’re completely wrong - not from the fact that people are failing to help you. ---
**Author:** ![TravisT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ea5d25/32.png) [@TravisT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TravisT)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/present-evidence-for-the-existence-of-your-deity/619737/393 "2012-04-26T15:44:24Z")
That wasn’t a theory - it was very speculative conjecture from someone whose views are _far_ outside the mainstream of science. There’s nothing in quantum physics that requires the existence of consciousness. What an embarrassment to the University of Oregon who allowed this mad-scienctist to teach for over 30 years. I guess its all syntax of the word theory: I was under the impression that it meant; a proposed explanation whose status is still conjectural and subject to experimentation, in contrast to well-established propositions that are regarded as reporting matters of actual fact. Now, I will agree that the people conducting the experiments are highly suspect. But that’s because mainstream science wants to dismiss the theory off-hand and haven’t conducted their own experiments. Do I need to bring up that most scientific breakthroughs were done by people _far_ outside the mainstream of science? Capurnicus was scoffed for his views. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/present-evidence-for-the-existence-of-your-deity/619737/394 "2012-04-26T15:47:52Z")
> [@TravisT](#): > > What an embarrassment to the University of Oregon who allowed this mad-scienctist to teach for over 30 years. Surely the respected term mad scientist should be reserved for people who are doing some kind of science, not people who write New Agey stuff. The guy hasn’t even developed a freeze ray as far as I can tell. In any case- yes, he had a teaching position at their ‘Institute of Theoretical Physics.’ So? There are thousands of colleges in the U.S. and thousands upon thousands of teachers. By definition half of them are below average, and some of them are nuts. Remember Ward Churchill? ---
**Author:** ![GEEPERS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c89c15/32.png) [@GEEPERS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GEEPERS)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/present-evidence-for-the-existence-of-your-deity/619737/395 "2012-04-26T15:52:51Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > The problem is that your literalist interpretation of the Bible tends to contradict geology, physics, archeology, and other sciences. So Christians who believe in the general teachings of Jesus but who are not literalists probably won’t defend your mistakes on topics that really have nothing to do with the ethical teachings of the religion. Many of them understand that things like Eden and the flood are stories or myths created by people with biases and limited scientific knowledge because that happens to be exactly what they are. Your problems with this discussion stem from the fact that in general you’re completely wrong - not from the fact that people are failing to help you. I’m sorry but if a person believes that the Bible is fiction, they are not a true believer. Jesus Christ said the events in the OT really did happen so you are basically saying Christ himself is lying. And I still stand by my statement that archealogy has only proven that the Bible is true, not the other way around. You constantly change your position every day that it’s hard to know what you believe exactly. The reality is you desperately need it to be completely false. All you can do is throw out criticisms without presenting any cites or clear counter-evidence. Your only counter evidence is the constant complaining that there is a lack of evidence. Very weak responses, IMO. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/present-evidence-for-the-existence-of-your-deity/619737/396 "2012-04-26T15:57:04Z")
> [@GEEPERS](#): > > I’m sorry but if a person believes that the Bible is fiction, they are not a true believer. Jesus Christ said the events in the OT really did happen so you are basically saying Christ himself is lying. Or maybe the _Bible_ was lying when it said that Christ said that? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/present-evidence-for-the-existence-of-your-deity/619737/397 "2012-04-26T15:58:10Z")
> [@GEEPERS](#): > > I’m sorry but if a person believes that the Bible is fiction, they are not a true believer. I don’t think they care about your interpretation. As you said yourself, “Christianity is about forming a personal relationship with the creator of the universe.” It’s not about a relationship with **GEEPERS** and **GEEPERS** ’ interpretation of the Bible. > [@](#): > > Jesus Christ said the events in the OT really did happen so you are basically saying Christ himself is lying. Jesus didn’t write the Bible. > [@](#): > > And I still stand by my statement that archealogy has only proven that the Bible is true, not the other way around. Again, your position doesn’t reflect reality. > [@](#): > > You constantly change your position every day that it’s hard to know what you believe exactly. I haven’t changed my position. I don’t think you are actually paying attention to what I am saying in the first place- certainly you still have not gotten around to addressing the questions I’ve asked you about interpreting history. ---
**Author:** ![GEEPERS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c89c15/32.png) [@GEEPERS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GEEPERS)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/present-evidence-for-the-existence-of-your-deity/619737/398 "2012-04-26T15:59:10Z")
> [@Meatros](#): > > Just some quick questions: Do you think that a ‘true’ Christian (IYO) has to hold to a global flood? That A&E are real? That evolution didn’t occur? That the earth is under a million years old? Absolutely. Otherwise, you are saying Christ is a liar or delusional when he talked about the Flood as a real event in Matthew 24:37-39 Not sure what A&E is. Christians have no problem believing in small micro evolution, but believing that the human body just arrived by chance through billions of years of natural selection, no way. Young earth/old earth, this can be debatable. ---
**Author:** ![GEEPERS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c89c15/32.png) [@GEEPERS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GEEPERS)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/present-evidence-for-the-existence-of-your-deity/619737/399 "2012-04-26T16:00:49Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Or maybe the _Bible_ was lying when it said that Christ said that? Or maybe Jesus Christ never existed at all? Are you going go that route too? ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/present-evidence-for-the-existence-of-your-deity/619737/400 "2012-04-26T16:02:43Z")
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