# President Barack Obama is a shameful hypocrite. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 18, 2012, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-barack-obama-is-a-shameful-hypocrite/625485 "2012-06-18T04:45:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2012, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-barack-obama-is-a-shameful-hypocrite/625485/61 "2012-06-18T16:36:39Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Even if you think Abraham Lincoln, Woodrow Wilson, and Franklin Roosevelt were great men. How can you endorse this man for office? Can someone run this through the Ron Paul fanatic translation machine and report to me what this means? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2012, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-barack-obama-is-a-shameful-hypocrite/625485/62 "2012-06-18T16:41:00Z")
The only commonality I can think of is that all three expanded presidential power. For a Paulista, that’s worse than punching nuns in the tits. ---
**Author:** ![Peanut\_Gallery](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/838e76/32.png) [@Peanut\_Gallery](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peanut_Gallery)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2012, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-barack-obama-is-a-shameful-hypocrite/625485/63 "2012-06-18T16:42:51Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Obama is engaged in acts of war against Iran with no congressional oversight. Once more … Obama is following up Bush’s program. And Romney will hopefully continue it past Jan 2013 if he wins. This isn’t something that is going to be affected by a vote for either party. It is not an effective argument for “omg how could you vote for Obama!?” NYT article that started the whole leak fury: [link](http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/01/world/middleeast/obama-ordered-wave-of-cyberattacks-against-iran.html?_r=1&hp&pagewanted=all) “The impetus for Olympic Games (Stuxnet op code name) dates from 2006, when President George W. Bush saw few good options in dealing with Iran.” “Meeting with Mr. Obama in the White House days before his inauguration, Mr. Bush urged him to preserve two classified programs, Olympic Games _and the drone program in Pakistan_. Mr. Obama took Mr. Bush’s advice.” Just as Mr. Romney is going to take Mr. Obama’s advice… ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2012, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-barack-obama-is-a-shameful-hypocrite/625485/64 "2012-06-18T16:51:18Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > I am wondering how someone can endorse a shameful human being and still claim the moral high road on the Republicans. Because the “moral ground” that the Republicans currently occupy is, to borrow a metaphor from elsewhere on this Board, deep within the mantle of the Earth. Relative to that, Death Valley is “moral high ground.” ETA: Just to be clear, I do NOT accept your characterization of President Obama as “a shameful human being.” ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2012, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-barack-obama-is-a-shameful-hypocrite/625485/65 "2012-06-18T16:51:50Z")
> [@dngnb8](#): > > Yes. Iraq wasnt about WMDs, it was about oil and revenge. {/opinion} Then what was the reason behind the [Libya](http://andrewgavinmarshall.com/2011/08/26/lies-war-and-empire-nato%E2%80%99s-%E2%80%9Chumanitarian-imperialism%E2%80%9D-in-libya/) war? ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2012, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-barack-obama-is-a-shameful-hypocrite/625485/66 "2012-06-18T16:53:18Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > Can someone run this through the Ron Paul fanatic translation machine and report to me what this means? All men venerated for taking the power from the people and anchoring it in the executive branch. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2012, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-barack-obama-is-a-shameful-hypocrite/625485/67 "2012-06-18T16:57:25Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Because the “moral ground” that the Republicans currently occupy is, to borrow a metaphor from elsewhere on this Board, deep within the mantle of the Earth. Relative to that, Death Valley is “moral high ground.” > > ETA: Just to be clear, I do NOT accept your characterization of President Obama as “a shameful human being.” Just to be clear I don’t give a fuck. Anyone who is knowledgable of his actions and votes for him is a shameful human being as well. If you don’t likE the alternative just stay home. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2012, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-barack-obama-is-a-shameful-hypocrite/625485/68 "2012-06-18T16:57:40Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Then what was the reason behind the [Libya](http://andrewgavinmarshall.com/2011/08/26/lies-war-and-empire-nato%E2%80%99s-%E2%80%9Chumanitarian-imperialism%E2%80%9D-in-libya/) war? What war? There were no boots on the ground, just some bombing to keep the rebels from being massacred. Got rid of Khadafy for a miniscule fraction of the cost to get rid of Hussein, no occupation, no nation building. So what’s the beef? ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2012, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-barack-obama-is-a-shameful-hypocrite/625485/69 "2012-06-18T17:00:20Z")
> [@Peanut\_Gallery](#): > > Once more … Obama is following up Bush’s program. And Romney will hopefully continue it past Jan 2013 if he wins. This isn’t something that is going to be affected by a vote for either party. It is not an effective argument for “omg how could you vote for Obama!?” > > NYT article that started the whole leak fury: [link](http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/01/world/middleeast/obama-ordered-wave-of-cyberattacks-against-iran.html?_r=1&hp&pagewanted=all) > > “The impetus for Olympic Games (Stuxnet op code name) dates from 2006, when President George W. Bush saw few good options in dealing with Iran.” > > “Meeting with Mr. Obama in the White House days before his inauguration, Mr. Bush urged him to preserve two classified programs, Olympic Games _and the drone program in Pakistan_. Mr. Obama took Mr. Bush’s advice.” > > Just as Mr. Romney is going to take Mr. Obama’s advice… What, pray tell, would President Obama have to advise Mr. Romney about? Where to get the best hot beef sandwich in Chicago as Romney takes his gracious-in-defeat tour in November?\* \*Portillos, btw. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2012, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-barack-obama-is-a-shameful-hypocrite/625485/70 "2012-06-18T17:01:42Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Just to be clear I don’t give a fuck. Anyone who is knowledgable of his actions and votes for him is a shameful human being as well. If you don’t likE the alternative just stay home. When the alternative would be catastrophic, staying home is not an option. Even if I shared your views. Which I don’t. I actually have immense respect for our President, despite some significant points of disagreement. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2012, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-barack-obama-is-a-shameful-hypocrite/625485/71 "2012-06-18T17:01:48Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Just to be clear I don’t give a fuck. Anyone who is knowledgable of his actions and votes for him is a shameful human being as well. There are more of us than there are of you. haw-HAW. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2012, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-barack-obama-is-a-shameful-hypocrite/625485/72 "2012-06-18T17:02:03Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Just to be clear I don’t give a fuck. Anyone who is knowledgable of his actions and votes for him is a shameful human being as well. If you don’t likE the alternative just stay home. And allow a Republican to win the Presidency? THAT’S what makes a shameful human being. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2012, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-barack-obama-is-a-shameful-hypocrite/625485/73 "2012-06-18T17:02:04Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > He might be. But if you think another of these lame-ass post from you demonstrates that, you’re an imbecile. Actually, it’s already been established you’re an imbecile. And a lazy one at that. You’re unable to dissect information and craft an argument. Instead you take these ridiculous blind partisan, Onion-like diatribes and serve them up as if they prove something. Do you even bother the shit you cut and paste? If you did, you would realize that no one with at least two synapses to rub together would give them any credence whatsoever. But this thoughtless, lazy, cut-and-pastemanship is your stock and trade. I’m kinda surprised I never realized to this extent before, but you’re moron andy a buffoon. I just don’t get why you would be attracted to a debate board at all, when you don’t engage in the practice. > > Now, “discuss” _that_. Rubber, glue . . . More specifically, **I** am nothing you say, and **you** are a stupid, dishonest ugly, foul-natured, subhuman crank, and the whole Dope knows it, and you know it too. The only good you will ever do in or for this world will be to leave it forever. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2012, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-barack-obama-is-a-shameful-hypocrite/625485/74 "2012-06-18T17:02:37Z")
> [@Peanut\_Gallery](#): > > Once more … Obama is following up Bush’s program. And Romney will hopefully continue it past Jan 2013 if he wins. This isn’t something that is going to be affected by a vote for either party. It is not an effective argument for “omg how could you vote for Obama!?” > > NYT article that started the whole leak fury: [link](http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/01/world/middleeast/obama-ordered-wave-of-cyberattacks-against-iran.html?_r=1&hp&pagewanted=all) > > “The impetus for Olympic Games (Stuxnet op code name) dates from 2006, when President George W. Bush saw few good options in dealing with Iran.” > > “Meeting with Mr. Obama in the White House days before his inauguration, Mr. Bush urged him to preserve two classified programs, Olympic Games _and the drone program in Pakistan_. Mr. Obama took Mr. Bush’s advice.” > > Just as Mr. Romney is going to take Mr. Obama’s advice… Let me get this straight. Your argument is that since Bush started a program to engage in secret acts of war it should be continued indefinitely? “Let’s all bow to the war party. Anything the Dems and Reps agree on cannot possibly be wrong.” thanks for the input bud. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2012, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-barack-obama-is-a-shameful-hypocrite/625485/75 "2012-06-18T17:03:15Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Just to be clear I don’t give a fuck. Anyone who is knowledgable of his actions and votes for him is a shameful human being as well. You’re lying and you know it, you worthless piece of shit. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2012, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-barack-obama-is-a-shameful-hypocrite/625485/76 "2012-06-18T17:04:29Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > FWIW (basically nothing, I know), I’m strongly in agreement with [Jon Stewart’s](http://gawker.com/5918286/jon-stewart-wants-no-part-of-obamas-kill-list) take on the whole death list/leaked information thing. > > Summary: > Things we should care about: Obama has a “death list”, and is apparently using semantic tricks to redefine “civilian casualties”. > > Things we should care much less about: Someone is leaking this information. > > Things that are jaw-droppingly alarming: People are claiming that the leaks are purposeful, because they make Obama look good. This. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2012, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-barack-obama-is-a-shameful-hypocrite/625485/77 "2012-06-18T17:06:02Z")
I dunno, on the one hand Obama got a historic health care program passed that while not perfect is far better than anything the Republicans had in mind, has ended DADT, come out in favor of same sex marriage, signed the Lily Ledbetter act, tried to get the economy going, with slow, if not spectacular success, without sticking by mindless platitudes such as “No taxes EVER!”, actually had private employment going strong, given the orders to take out Osama Bin Laden, provided some hope for productive members of society who happen to be illegal because their parents brought them here while trying to play nicely with a bunch of children who decide that now is the time to take some sort principled stand on the Debt ceiling. Now on the negative side he has done some things I am not happy about, especially with regard to keeping Guantanamo open, I am not thrilled about the things the OP brings up, I wish he tried to play less nicely with the GOP, considering how dirty they play. SO yes he has plusses and minuses, the plusses in my book far outweigh the minusses. For Romney I am not even sure what plusses there would be. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2012, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-barack-obama-is-a-shameful-hypocrite/625485/78 "2012-06-18T17:06:26Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > I hope this was tongue in cheek. Obama is engaged in acts of war against Iran with no congressional oversight. You’re talking bullshit. Well you didn’t ask “does it rise to the level of War against Iran!” because if we’re just figuring out whether one thing tops another I’ll say “oh yeah? Holocaust. I win.” The question you asked was this: > [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Could you post examples of Bush attempting to silence dissent while simultaneously engaging in egomaniacal schemes to assassinate American citizens without judicial oversight? So I’ll stick with my answer of Valerie Plame. She was outed as a spy with a clear message of “keep quiet and don’t fuck with us.” And yeah, that seriously had the potential of killing her, her family, and any contacts Plame had established over the years. That’s a pretty big deal. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2012, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-barack-obama-is-a-shameful-hypocrite/625485/79 "2012-06-18T17:06:57Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > What war? There were no boots on the ground, just some bombing to keep the rebels from being massacred. Got rid of Khadafy for a miniscule fraction of the cost to get rid of Hussein, no occupation, no nation building. So what’s the beef? I hope you’re old and about to die. Do you even care about the consequences of the intervention? Did you even read the article? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2012, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-barack-obama-is-a-shameful-hypocrite/625485/80 "2012-06-18T17:07:28Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > I hope this was tongue in cheek. Obama is engaged in acts of war against Iran with no congressional oversight. You’re talking bullshit. What “acts of war”? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-barack-obama-is-a-shameful-hypocrite/625485.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-barack-obama-is-a-shameful-hypocrite/625485.md?page=5)