# President Barack Obama is a shameful hypocrite. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 18, 2012, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-barack-obama-is-a-shameful-hypocrite/625485 "2012-06-18T04:45:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2012, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-barack-obama-is-a-shameful-hypocrite/625485/81 "2012-06-18T17:08:34Z")
> [@Enderw24](#): > > Well you didn’t ask “does it rise to the level of War against Iran!” because if we’re just figuring out whether one thing tops another I’ll say “oh yeah? Holocaust. I win.” The question you asked was this: > > So I’ll stick with my answer of Valerie Plame. She was outed as a spy with a clear message of “keep quiet and don’t fuck with us.” And yeah, that seriously had the potential of killing her, her family, and any contacts Plame had established over the years. That’s a pretty big deal. I get what you’re saying, guy but c’mon. War with Iran. Nuff said. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2012, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-barack-obama-is-a-shameful-hypocrite/625485/82 "2012-06-18T17:12:35Z")
What war with Iran? The Chinese hack the Pentagon and defense contractors every day. Is\* that\* an act of war, and if so, why aren’t we fighting? ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2012, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-barack-obama-is-a-shameful-hypocrite/625485/83 "2012-06-18T17:14:08Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > You’re lying and you know it, you worthless piece of shit. What am I lying about? ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2012, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-barack-obama-is-a-shameful-hypocrite/625485/84 "2012-06-18T17:15:34Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > What am I lying about? Well, for starters, you appear to be asserting that acts of war are being taken against Iran. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2012, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-barack-obama-is-a-shameful-hypocrite/625485/85 "2012-06-18T17:16:46Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > What war with Iran? The Chinese hack the Pentagon and defense contractors every day. Is\* that\* an act of war, and if so, why aren’t we fighting? Youre asking the wrong person. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2012, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-barack-obama-is-a-shameful-hypocrite/625485/86 "2012-06-18T17:18:02Z")
I’m asking the one who says we’re at war with Iran. I suppose I could go ask some random person why **WillFarnaby** says we’re at war with Iran, but I imagine they’d say they have no idea who you are or what you’re talking about. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2012, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-barack-obama-is-a-shameful-hypocrite/625485/87 "2012-06-18T17:18:18Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Well, for starters, you appear to be asserting that acts of war are being taken against Iran. Cyber attacks. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2012, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-barack-obama-is-a-shameful-hypocrite/625485/88 "2012-06-18T17:24:22Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > FWIW (basically nothing, I know), I’m strongly in agreement with [Jon Stewart’s](http://gawker.com/5918286/jon-stewart-wants-no-part-of-obamas-kill-list) take on the whole death list/leaked information thing. > > Summary: > Things we should care about: Obama has a “death list”, and is apparently using semantic tricks to redefine “civilian casualties”. > > Things we should care much less about: Someone is leaking this information. > > Things that are jaw-droppingly alarming: People are claiming that the leaks are purposeful, because they make Obama look good. I agree with most of this but what a lot of you nitwits don’t understand is that Obama himself approved these leaks precisely because he thinks it makes him look good. He’s with McCain and them on this type of thing. ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2012, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-barack-obama-is-a-shameful-hypocrite/625485/89 "2012-06-18T17:28:39Z")
I completely disagree with the OP. I think Obama is a shame **less** hypocrite. ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2012, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-barack-obama-is-a-shameful-hypocrite/625485/90 "2012-06-18T17:37:18Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Even if you think Abraham Lincoln, Woodrow Wilson, and Franklin Roosevelt were great men. Abraham Lincoln was a white supremacist who suspended habeas corpus. Yet you still think he was great man, right? For those who doubt he was a white supremacist: > [@](#): > > “I will say, then, that I AM NOT NOR HAVE EVER BEEN in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the black and white races—that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with White people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the White and black races which will ever FORBID the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together, there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I, as much as any other man, am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the White race.” > > — 4th Lincoln-Douglas debate, September 18th, 1858; ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2012, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-barack-obama-is-a-shameful-hypocrite/625485/91 "2012-06-18T17:45:38Z")
I think Mr. **Farnaby** does NOT, in fact, consider President Lincoln to have been a great man. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2012, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-barack-obama-is-a-shameful-hypocrite/625485/92 "2012-06-18T17:46:44Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > I agree with most of this but what a lot of you nitwits don’t understand is that Obama > himself approved these leaks precisely because he thinks it makes him look good. He’s with McCain and them on this type of thing. You say this as if it had been established that the allegation is true. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2012, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-barack-obama-is-a-shameful-hypocrite/625485/93 "2012-06-18T17:54:07Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > I think Mr. **Farnaby** does NOT, in fact, consider President Lincoln to have been a great man. Members of the Ron Paul Cult hate Lincoln. [They think VanBuren was the greatest president.](http://www.xaviercromartie.com/2009/12/libertarian-ranking-of-united-states.html) > [@](#): > > 1. Abraham Lincoln (1861-1865) > Good: Did not finish second term. ---
**Author:** ![dngnb8](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/977dab/32.png) [@dngnb8](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dngnb8)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2012, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-barack-obama-is-a-shameful-hypocrite/625485/94 "2012-06-18T18:08:46Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Then what was the reason behind the [Libya](http://andrewgavinmarshall.com/2011/08/26/lies-war-and-empire-nato%E2%80%99s-%E2%80%9Chumanitarian-imperialism%E2%80%9D-in-libya/) war? Not sure what youre getting at. Do all wars have to have the same reason? ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2012, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-barack-obama-is-a-shameful-hypocrite/625485/95 "2012-06-18T18:11:45Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > I agree with most of this but what a lot of you nitwits don’t understand is that Obama > himself approved these leaks precisely because he thinks it makes him look good. He’s with McCain and them on this type of thing. I understand perfectly well that this is an opinion that some people hold. I do not share it, and I have seen no evidence to back it up. I find it more than a little alarming that some people think Obama will “look good” when it is revealed that he may be deliberately covering up the murder of innocent civilians by American forces. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2012, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-barack-obama-is-a-shameful-hypocrite/625485/96 "2012-06-18T18:16:16Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > I understand perfectly well that this is an opinion that some people hold. I do not share it, and I have seen no evidence to back it up. I find it more than a little alarming that some people think Obama will “look good” when it is revealed that he may be deliberately covering up the murder of innocent civilians by American forces. I agree 100%. If the headline was “Leaks Reveal Secret White House War On Islam”, the Republican reaction would be “Waaaaahhhhh! It makes Obama look GOOD!” ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2012, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-barack-obama-is-a-shameful-hypocrite/625485/97 "2012-06-18T18:16:53Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Just to be clear I don’t give a fuck. Anyone who is knowledgable of his actions and votes for him is a shameful human being as well. If you don’t likE the alternative just stay home. Obvious concern troll is obvious. Look, you want Romney to win the election. Nothing shameful about that. But that means that you pretend to be horrified when Obama does things like this, but if Romney did them you’d be cheering and waving a large American flag. You’re pretending to be outraged, but you’re not. You’re only outraged because the president is a Democrat. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2012, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-barack-obama-is-a-shameful-hypocrite/625485/98 "2012-06-18T18:19:25Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Members of the Ron Paul Cult hate Lincoln. [They think VanBuren was the greatest president.](http://www.xaviercromartie.com/2009/12/libertarian-ranking-of-united-states.html) That list is a riot. It basically takes every well-regarded president and gives them a “score” of minus elventy-jillion. If, on the other hand, the president was incompetent or generally not good, the score is positive. So, it ends up with trainwrecks like Warren Harding, Andrew Johnson, and Franklin Pierce being “good” presidents; and Washington, Lincoln, Roosevelt, Reagan, Wilson, and Adams being listed as “failures.” It is just so sad it is comical. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2012, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-barack-obama-is-a-shameful-hypocrite/625485/99 "2012-06-18T18:33:40Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > I agree with most of this but what a lot of you nitwits don’t understand is that Obama > himself approved these leaks precisely because he thinks it makes him look good. Got a citation for that claim? ---
**Author:** ![Rysdad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/7cd45c/32.png) [@Rysdad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysdad)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2012, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-barack-obama-is-a-shameful-hypocrite/625485/100 "2012-06-18T18:36:33Z")
This is so fucking disheartening. Listen to yourselves. You’re as bad as congress. All talking in absolutes. Never crediting anyone else’s opinion whatsoever. So fucking rigidly locked into your little boxes. Straight party line, no consideration for anything outside the platform. That’s really fucking stupid, you know. Really fucking stupid. Shame on you–particularly on a message board where ignorance is supposedly fought. _Really fucking stupid!_ [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-barack-obama-is-a-shameful-hypocrite/625485.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-barack-obama-is-a-shameful-hypocrite/625485.md?page=6)