# President Barack Obama is a shameful hypocrite. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 18, 2012, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-barack-obama-is-a-shameful-hypocrite/625485 "2012-06-18T04:45:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffy_the_Elephant_Shrew)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-barack-obama-is-a-shameful-hypocrite/625485/141 "2012-06-19T00:15:40Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > You’re movement is in shambles. Barack Obama has singlehandedly killed the progressive movement in America and you are helping him do it. Make up your mind. Did Obama do it singlehandedly, or with our help? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-barack-obama-is-a-shameful-hypocrite/625485/142 "2012-06-19T00:20:28Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > So his preferences are, in order: > > Paul > Romney > Obama > > So the fuck what? So he’s an idiotic, unpatriotic liar. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-barack-obama-is-a-shameful-hypocrite/625485/143 "2012-06-19T00:22:21Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > You think people only support Obama because they’re drooling left-wing hippies. Actually, [lefties don’t **like** Obama.](http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Essay:Is_Obama_really_a_lefty%3F) (But will vote for him anyway.) ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-barack-obama-is-a-shameful-hypocrite/625485/144 "2012-06-19T00:24:57Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > The best you can come up with is 1) he’s better than Romney . . . That is much more than sufficient. And Romney, for his part, is better than Paul; at least he’s not an anti-Fed goldbug crank. > [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Barack Obama has singlehandedly killed the progressive movement in America . . . Obama ain’t even **part** of it. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-barack-obama-is-a-shameful-hypocrite/625485/145 "2012-06-19T00:46:45Z")
The fact that morons like **WF** think Obama’s even _remotely_ populist or progressive is the scary thing. The stupid is strong with this group. Makes me wonder how they figured out fucking. I know they did, because Repubs and Paulites are out to do nothing but fuck America. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-barack-obama-is-a-shameful-hypocrite/625485/146 "2012-06-19T03:20:16Z")
> [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](#): > > Make up your mind. Did Obama do it singlehandedly, or with our help? He’ll need one of the joint chiefs to turn the other key if he wants to nuke it from orbit. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-barack-obama-is-a-shameful-hypocrite/625485/147 "2012-06-19T03:24:44Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > The best you can come up with is 1) he’s better than Romney … That’s all the justification a rational voter needs. ---
**Author:** ![saoirse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@saoirse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saoirse)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 11:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-barack-obama-is-a-shameful-hypocrite/625485/148 "2012-06-19T11:58:08Z")
> [@Revtim](#): > > For those who doubt he was a white supremacist: That only demonstrates that Lincoln was a white supremacist in 1858, before he’d met Frederick Douglass and before he’d authorized the USCT. Incidentally, if anyone else is confused by **BrianGlutton** ’s characterization of the The New Party as not Marxist, you were probably, like me, thinking of the [New Alliance Party](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Alliance_Party). ---
**Author:** ![Gukumatz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/74df32/32.png) [@Gukumatz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gukumatz)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-barack-obama-is-a-shameful-hypocrite/625485/149 "2012-06-19T13:10:01Z")
> [@saoirse](#): > > Incidentally, if anyone else is confused by **BrianGlutton** ’s characterization of the The New Party as not Marxist, you were probably, like me, thinking of the [New Alliance Party](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Alliance_Party). Thanks, that was bothering me a bit, but I couldn’t quite parse why. ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-barack-obama-is-a-shameful-hypocrite/625485/150 "2012-06-19T13:13:13Z")
> [@saoirse](#): > > That only demonstrates that Lincoln was a white supremacist in 1858, before he’d met Frederick Douglass and before he’d authorized the USCT. Oh, so some of his best friends were black… 😉 But seriously, I’d be interested to see any quotes from Lincoln that would indicate he changed his mind about blacks being inferior. Had he ever explicitly rejected that view to your knowledge? He certainly could still make the USCT and even consider Douglass a friend and still think whites were superior. FWIW, I’m not judging Lincoln for this, he was simply a man of his times. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-barack-obama-is-a-shameful-hypocrite/625485/151 "2012-06-19T15:00:20Z")
> [@Revtim](#): > > Oh, so some of his best friends were black… 😉 > > But seriously, I’d be interested to see any quotes from Lincoln that would indicate he changed his mind about blacks being inferior. Had he ever explicitly rejected that view to your knowledge? He certainly could still make the USCT and even consider Douglass a friend and still think whites were superior. > > FWIW, I’m not judging Lincoln for this, he was simply a man of his times. The best source on this is [_What Lincoln Believed: The Values and Convictions of America’s Greatest President,_](http://www.amazon.com/What-Lincoln-Believed-Convictions-President/dp/0385507399) by Michael Lind. Like most white Americans of his time – in fact, like most white **abolitionists** of his time – Lincoln believed blacks were too inferior, or at any rate too different, to live as free people in the same republic as whites; however, he did believe they were capable of forming and running democratic governments of their own. Therefore, Lincoln was a “colonizationist” – he believed the blacks should be freed, and then all of them should be deported, to a new homeland in Africa (like Liberia) or Latin America or the Caribbean. He changed his mind about this near the end of his life, after General McClellan studied the problem and reported that drafting all American naval and merchant ships for the purpose still would not get the blacks overseas “half so fast as Negro children will be born here.” (In the same book, you can also read about Lincoln’s atheism – in fact, in his youth, he wrote a book debunking Christianity – and then burned the manuscript when friends pointed out that publishing it would doom his political ambitions.) ---
**Author:** ![BlinkingDuck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/eada6e/32.png) [@BlinkingDuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlinkingDuck)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-barack-obama-is-a-shameful-hypocrite/625485/152 "2012-06-19T15:23:57Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Because the alternative is the Republicans. I don’t like him, I don’t respect him, I don’t think he’s a good person or a good leader; but when the alternative is the Republicans almost anyone is better. Amen brother. When the alternative is a political party actively trying to hurt/sabotage the U.S. Obama would have to strangle a pretty white woman on camera in the middle of a public street and I STILL might vote for him. ---
**Author:** ![BlinkingDuck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/eada6e/32.png) [@BlinkingDuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlinkingDuck)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-barack-obama-is-a-shameful-hypocrite/625485/153 "2012-06-19T15:26:05Z")
> [@Lynn\_Bodoni](#): > > I think that Hillary was a better candidate, and would have done a better job. But on that day in November, I voted for Obama, because he was better than the alternative. Talk about damning with faint praise… I think Hillary would have been a fine president. Still do. ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-barack-obama-is-a-shameful-hypocrite/625485/154 "2012-06-19T16:33:39Z")
With respect to a constituency, national government is theatre. There is a chessgame reality that exists between national leaders the audience is not meant to see, a parallel fabrication of which unfolds during the show. NOBODY on this board knows the reality of the Obama adminsitration and its motivations. While **WillFarnaby** certainly comports himself as a bit of a paranoid CT, it is equally ignorant to counter his arguments and defend President Obama. All that can really be said of Obama is: He’s the POTUS and nobody else here is. If you think you can do a better job, get yourself the job. If a mulatto from an unprivileged broken home can do it, what’s stopping you? If a lower middle class stepson of an abusive father can do it twice, handily, what’s stopping you? It’s a theatre. Get cast in the play or join the fan club you like best, but don’t pretend to know a damn thing about what’s going on backstage. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-barack-obama-is-a-shameful-hypocrite/625485/155 "2012-06-19T16:39:17Z")
We could. We could be what’s going on backstage, and front, and in the audience. The tools lie before us, we only need pick them up. ---
**Author:** ![Lynn\_Bodoni](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e47c2d/32.png) [@Lynn\_Bodoni](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lynn_Bodoni)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-barack-obama-is-a-shameful-hypocrite/625485/156 "2012-06-19T17:10:47Z")
> [@BlinkingDuck](#): > > Amen brother. > > When the alternative is a political party actively trying to hurt/sabotage the U.S. Obama would have to strangle a pretty white woman on camera in the middle of a public street and I STILL might vote for him. Depending on which pretty white woman it was, it might make me even MORE inclined to vote for him. > [@BlinkingDuck](#): > > I think Hillary would have been a fine president. > > Still do. I think that Hillary would have been a better POTUS than Obama, she’s extremely smart and ambitious. But Obama has been better than I expected. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-barack-obama-is-a-shameful-hypocrite/625485/157 "2012-06-19T17:13:15Z")
Hilary probably would have been better, but the demoralizing effect of having only two last names in the POTOS for 24-28 years might have been a serious downer over any success she might have had. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-barack-obama-is-a-shameful-hypocrite/625485/158 "2012-06-19T17:34:30Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > The tools lie before us, Usually right into a camera, too. ---
**Author:** ![BlinkingDuck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/eada6e/32.png) [@BlinkingDuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlinkingDuck)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-barack-obama-is-a-shameful-hypocrite/625485/159 "2012-06-19T17:39:14Z")
> [@Mr.Miskatonic](#): > > Hilary probably would have been better, but the demoralizing effect of having only two last names in the POTOS for 24-28 years might have been a serious downer over any success she might have had. My (adult) kids said the same. They liked Hillary but didn’t want another Bush/Clinton. Their entire lives and then some had been under either a Bush or a Clinton. That being said, I think the ‘Clinton’ name is rising as people fondly remember and so maybe she has a chance in 2016. Hell, even the unbelieveably biased Kudlow of “The Kudlow Report” said he thought Clinton was a good president. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-barack-obama-is-a-shameful-hypocrite/625485/160 "2012-06-19T17:45:53Z")
> [@BlinkingDuck](#): > > Hell, even the unbelieveably biased Kudlow of “The Kudlow Report” said he thought Clinton was a good president. That’s not possible; Kudlow’s tongue would burst into flame if he ever uttered those words. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-barack-obama-is-a-shameful-hypocrite/625485.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-barack-obama-is-a-shameful-hypocrite/625485.md?page=9)