# President Bush Should be Arrested **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 29, 2004, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-bush-should-be-arrested/271786 "2004-10-29T02:48:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Mehitabel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8797f3/32.png) [@Mehitabel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mehitabel)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2004, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-bush-should-be-arrested/271786/21 "2004-10-29T03:41:21Z")
Hey, if the West was killing 500,000 people every year because of sanctions, Bush has saved 400,000 lives this year 😃 ---
**Author:** ![See-ahm-bee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/see-ahm-bee/32/7282_2.png) [@See-ahm-bee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/See-ahm-bee)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2004, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-bush-should-be-arrested/271786/22 "2004-10-29T03:42:21Z")
> [@adam yax](#): > > For some reason it is a little different when you do it to your own people. Not to me. The United States has no right whatsoever to fire a shot today in Iraq. What gives the United States the right to participate in the civil war already waging in Iraq? ---
**Author:** ![Mehitabel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8797f3/32.png) [@Mehitabel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mehitabel)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2004, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-bush-should-be-arrested/271786/23 "2004-10-29T03:46:15Z")
_yawn_ I see where this is going. I read it all on protestor’s signs during the RNC Convention here. When come back, bring perspective. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2004, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-bush-should-be-arrested/271786/24 "2004-10-29T03:47:28Z")
> [@vanilla](#): > > I say no, we should not execute any of the Bush government. > Any debaters? I’m against summary execution, but I’m COMPLETELY cool with seeing Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Rice on trial before the World Court for war crimes. ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2004, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-bush-should-be-arrested/271786/25 "2004-10-29T03:49:15Z")
> [@Mehitabel](#): > > Hey, if the West was killing 500,000 people every year because of sanctions, Bush has saved 400,000 lives this year 😃 Congrats! You’ve just won the award for the worst use of a smiley _ever_. ---
**Author:** ![See-ahm-bee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/see-ahm-bee/32/7282_2.png) [@See-ahm-bee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/See-ahm-bee)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2004, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-bush-should-be-arrested/271786/26 "2004-10-29T03:50:20Z")
> [@Fear Itself](#): > > Ix-nay on on the ombs-bay, **See-ahm-bee** , or you may end up like friend [Derek Kjar](http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1012-31.htm), up to his armpits in Schutzstaffel. that is a scary article. ---
**Author:** ![LouisB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/dfb087/32.png) [@LouisB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LouisB)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2004, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-bush-should-be-arrested/271786/27 "2004-10-29T03:52:55Z")
> [@](#): > > What gives the United States the right to participate in the civil war already waging in Iraq? We started it, why shouldn’t we participate in it? Besides, who is going to stop us? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2004, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-bush-should-be-arrested/271786/28 "2004-10-29T03:58:50Z")
Unfortunately, the U.S. has not yet signed the International Criminal Court Treaty. I hope we will soon, so that Henry Kissinger can be brought to trial – for what he did in Vietnam, for what he did in Cambodia, and for what he did in Chile. And **then** maybe the ICC can get around to George Bush et al. ---
**Author:** ![Loopydude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e56c9b/32.png) [@Loopydude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loopydude)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2004, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-bush-should-be-arrested/271786/29 "2004-10-29T03:59:59Z")
I think there’s good reason for suspicion of criminal malfeasance on the part of some number of the Bush Administration, Bush included. How there could be a proper investigation of these suspicions I don’t know. As some in this space have pointed out here, even if these suspicions had any substance to them, they’re virtually impossible to prove. I’m afraid they’re probably right; it’s not as if BushCo is likely to be pulling a Nixon and making tapes, which is probably the only evidence that would move Ashcroft to open an investigation. They’re untouchable. ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2004, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-bush-should-be-arrested/271786/30 "2004-10-29T04:00:37Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Unfortunately, the U.S. has not yet signed the International Criminal Court Treaty. I hope we will soon, so that Henry Kissinger can be brought to trial – for what he did in Vietnam, for what he did in Cambodia, and for what he did in Chile. And **then** maybe the ICC can get around to George Bush et al. Interestingly enough, Kissinger’s said to’ve been opposed to the invasion of Iraq -worse than a crime, a blunder. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2004, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-bush-should-be-arrested/271786/31 "2004-10-29T04:28:01Z")
> [@adam yax](#): > > For some reason it is a little different when you do it to your own people. ??? Explain please. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2004, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-bush-should-be-arrested/271786/32 "2004-10-29T04:44:03Z")
> [@See-ahm-bee](#): > > yes. When you attempt to discredit a serious assertion by dismissing it as caffeine-babble, that is an attack. > > Any more questions, or can we actually discuss the statement: Bush and his close advisors should stand trial for their actions in a world court. Or just executed with giant bombs dropped into their planning headquarters, like they have done to the freedom fighters in Iraq, who are resisting an unwelcome army in their country. Freedom fighters??? They’re indiscriminately blowing up civilians for the sole purpose of terrorizing them away from any contact with American soldiers or the interim government. ---
**Author:** ![See-ahm-bee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/see-ahm-bee/32/7282_2.png) [@See-ahm-bee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/See-ahm-bee)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2004, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-bush-should-be-arrested/271786/33 "2004-10-29T04:48:39Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Freedom fighters??? They’re indiscriminately blowing up civilians for the sole purpose of terrorizing them away from any contact with American soldiers or the interim government. :smack: You really believe that, don’t you? Magiver, I will assume you know our army is in their country, uninvited. The people there want to get on with their civil war and other affairs without us interfering. So they are shooting at us and those who work with us, in order to drive us out. They see people working with us as traitors. Do you think they are unjustified? ---
**Author:** ![See-ahm-bee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/see-ahm-bee/32/7282_2.png) [@See-ahm-bee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/See-ahm-bee)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2004, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-bush-should-be-arrested/271786/34 "2004-10-29T04:50:49Z")
Magiver, my post did not make sense… I wish I could edit it… Since I can’t, I agree with your statement completely. I just think the people attacking US troops and those working with them as 100% justified. I think we Americans are the criminals in this situation. I believe a voting for Bush makes a person guilty of accessory to murder. I believe those shooting at us there are acting in legitimate self defense. ---
**Author:** ![See-ahm-bee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/see-ahm-bee/32/7282_2.png) [@See-ahm-bee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/See-ahm-bee)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2004, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-bush-should-be-arrested/271786/35 "2004-10-29T04:53:59Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Unfortunately, the U.S. has not yet signed the International Criminal Court Treaty. I hope we will soon, so that Henry Kissinger can be brought to trial – for what he did in Vietnam, for what he did in Cambodia, and for what he did in Chile. And **then** maybe the ICC can get around to George Bush et al. It doesn’t make any difference what we have signed or not. What the US is doing is wrong and immoral. If the just people of the world had the military means, the American administration would be brought to justice. _Might makes right._ If you don’t agree with that, welcome to the Rebellion! ---
**Author:** ![Mehitabel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8797f3/32.png) [@Mehitabel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mehitabel)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2004, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-bush-should-be-arrested/271786/36 "2004-10-29T05:02:02Z")
tick…tick…tick… ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2004, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-bush-should-be-arrested/271786/37 "2004-10-29T05:03:01Z")
> [@See-ahm-bee](#): > > Magiver, my post did not make sense… I wish I could edit it… Since I can’t, I agree with your statement completely. I just think the people attacking US troops and those working with them as 100% justified. I think we Americans are the criminals in this situation. > > I believe a voting for Bush makes a person guilty of accessory to murder. > > I believe those shooting at us there are acting in legitimate self defense. Guess I don’t get your logic. You used Milosevic as an example of someone on trial. He’s there because we put him there. We were not attacked by Serbia nor were any of our allies. ---
**Author:** ![See-ahm-bee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/see-ahm-bee/32/7282_2.png) [@See-ahm-bee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/See-ahm-bee)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2004, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-bush-should-be-arrested/271786/38 "2004-10-29T05:07:48Z")
> [@Loopydude](#): > > I think there’s good reason for suspicion of criminal malfeasance on the part of some number of the Bush Administration, Bush included. How there could be a proper investigation of these suspicions I don’t know. As some in this space have pointed out here, even if these suspicions had any substance to them, they’re virtually impossible to prove. I’m afraid they’re probably right; it’s not as if BushCo is likely to be pulling a Nixon and making tapes, which is probably the only evidence that would move Ashcroft to open an investigation. They’re untouchable. The public record proves that Bush and his inner circle: 1. Initiated a war with Iraq on grounds later proven to have been false. 2. Once discovering the falsity of the grounds, the Bush administration continued to wage offensive military actions against people who posed no realistic threat to the United States. Direct fire from American military forces have killed completely innocent people, in numbers exceeding those lost on 9/11. 3. Ordered the military to bomb civilian cities, consciously accepting loss of civilian life, where there was no serious threat to the safety of the United States. 4. Imposed the Allawi government on the people of Iraq, filling the government with exiles who did not live in Iraq prior to the war. In other words, a puppet regime aimed to protect American interests. 5. Systematically wages ethnic war against Sunni muslems in Iraq, again without provocation to US interests 6. Been declared illegal by the Secretary General of the United Nations 7. Engaged in propoganda designed to misrepresent the realities of the military situation and the motives for the war at the world level. 8. Crimes associated with Abu Graib Beyond the public record, they could be charged with: 9. Repeating the mistakes of the Lyndon Johnson government in groupthink stupid, murderous action. 10. Colonizing the middle east to protect oil supplies. To me, this is a crime. To lawyers, none of this may be criminal. Don’t forget, these people will not hesitate to kill anyone in their way. They just dress in suits and use our natural patriotic instincts to make us into their serfs. They will be ruling us until we … I am not doing anything. I am leaving. ---
**Author:** ![See-ahm-bee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/see-ahm-bee/32/7282_2.png) [@See-ahm-bee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/See-ahm-bee)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2004, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-bush-should-be-arrested/271786/39 "2004-10-29T05:17:10Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Guess I don’t get your logic. You used Milosevic as an example of someone on trial. He’s there because we put him there. We were not attacked by Serbia nor were any of our allies. Milosovec is on trial for being a mass-murderer-via-government in Serbia, or something like that. Bush and his circle should be on trial for mass murdering people in Iraq using their governmental powers. Saddam should be there with them. What is so hard to understand? Answer: nothing. You are not trying to understand. You are trying to find a way to not understand. If you do that, of course nothing but your own ideas will make sense. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2004, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-bush-should-be-arrested/271786/40 "2004-10-29T05:26:50Z")
I think we get that you’re outraged, CMB. What _I_ don’t get is why you thought your outrage was contagious. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-bush-should-be-arrested/271786.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-bush-should-be-arrested/271786.md?page=3)