# President Donald Trump: "Democrats Produce Mobs, Republicans Produce Jobs" **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [October 20, 2018, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-donald-trump-democrats-produce-mobs-republicans-produce-jobs/823233 "2018-10-20T01:26:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2018, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-donald-trump-democrats-produce-mobs-republicans-produce-jobs/823233/101 "2018-10-21T16:04:46Z")
> [@Richard\_Parker](#): > > GOP leaders are literally leading violent mobs… Is this the line NPR is taking now? ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2018, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-donald-trump-democrats-produce-mobs-republicans-produce-jobs/823233/102 "2018-10-21T16:09:05Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > This post encapsulates quite well the conservative understanding of things like science. > > Polls showed Clinton leading in the polls. When Election Day was done, she actually won the polls. But our election system wasn’t designed to have the presidential candidate with the most votes actually winning. > > When one can’t be even the least bit accurate with what is being measured, it becomes tempting to disregard science and facts and stuff. That’s how we end up with nonsense like climate change deniers, tax cuts pay for themselves, abortion causes breast cancer, etc. No. Polls were showing an election victory for Clinton in the states she needed to win the electoral college. This did not take place. Poster is right. The thing about government and science is that they only return results that will keep the grant money flowing. MoCo and NoVA know this recipe well. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2018, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-donald-trump-democrats-produce-mobs-republicans-produce-jobs/823233/103 "2018-10-21T16:18:08Z")
> [@](#): > > …After his campaign rally in this northeastern Nevada town, Trump talked up the new round of tax cuts, but did not go into specifics. He said the cuts would be done “sometime just prior, I would say, to November.” > > “We are going to be putting in and are studying very deeply right now, around the clock a major tax cut for middle-income people,” Trump said shortly before his departure back to Washington. “Not for business at all. For middle-income people.”… [https://www.washingtonpost.com/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/) (They want a dollar to read it, quote lifted from _ThinkProgress_ Sure as shit gonna remember this one! Loaves and fishes, walk on water, raise the dead? Piffle. Get a major tax bill through a Congress that is not even in session, and do it in ten days? Jesus was an amateur! ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2018, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-donald-trump-democrats-produce-mobs-republicans-produce-jobs/823233/104 "2018-10-21T16:30:33Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Very good. You are correct. > > Trump dug for and found exceptional stupid racist people to vote for him. I think it was an accident on his part, and he never really wanted the job. He certainly doesn’t know what the job is. > > Now, he finds the spotlight on himself. He loves it. As long as he is in the news, he is important. I wonder if he will feel the same in the courtroom. He probably will. “Highest rated impeachment hearings of all time, folks. Of all time!” ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2018, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-donald-trump-democrats-produce-mobs-republicans-produce-jobs/823233/105 "2018-10-21T17:12:31Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > You don’t really seriously believe “the left” is less “civil” than the right, so stop pretending you do. Wrong. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2018, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-donald-trump-democrats-produce-mobs-republicans-produce-jobs/823233/106 "2018-10-21T17:13:31Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > Do you think the slogan is factually accurate? Yes. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2018, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-donald-trump-democrats-produce-mobs-republicans-produce-jobs/823233/107 "2018-10-21T17:16:54Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > … when the retribution comes. … You’re planning “retribution”? ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2018, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-donald-trump-democrats-produce-mobs-republicans-produce-jobs/823233/108 "2018-10-21T17:17:23Z")
So Hurricane, what do you think about Trump talking about non-existent riots in California? Who might he be appealing to at his rally in Nevada? Should anyone be able to tell these lies? Or just President Trump? Do you not think that this obvious LIE is inciting violence? ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2018, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-donald-trump-democrats-produce-mobs-republicans-produce-jobs/823233/109 "2018-10-21T17:25:50Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > So Hurricane, what do you think about Trump talking about non-existent riots in California? Who might he be appealing to at his rally in Nevada? > > Should anyone be able to tell these lies? Or just President Trump? Do you not think that this obvious LIE is inciting violence? I don’t know what you’re referring to. Do you have a link? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2018, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-donald-trump-democrats-produce-mobs-republicans-produce-jobs/823233/110 "2018-10-21T17:32:52Z")
> [@Bullitt](#): > > No he’s not. I have no idea why you think otherwise. Because my opinion is based on facts, not garbage spewed by right-wing American scumbags. I’m sure you believe the world doesn’t look down on Trump on his supporters because Trump says it doesn’t, but we do. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2018, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-donald-trump-democrats-produce-mobs-republicans-produce-jobs/823233/111 "2018-10-21T17:34:34Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I don’t know what you’re referring to. Do you have a link? [Sorry, here ya go](https://www.yahoo.com/news/twitter-agog-trump-whopper-californians-055804686.htm) ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2018, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-donald-trump-democrats-produce-mobs-republicans-produce-jobs/823233/112 "2018-10-21T17:36:25Z")
> [@The\_Tooth](#): > > Because my opinion is based on facts, not garbage spewed by right-wing American scumbags. I’m sure you believe the world doesn’t look down on Trump on his supporters because Trump says it doesn’t, but we do. Thanks for being honest, Alberta, Canada. Most of us hate him too. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2018, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-donald-trump-democrats-produce-mobs-republicans-produce-jobs/823233/113 "2018-10-21T18:26:52Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Yes. In a related question, do you think Trump has made somewhere around 4,500 false or misleading statements since he took office? Because if you don’t, and you believe that slogan is accurate, then it is clear you and I are operating on different planes of reality. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2018, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-donald-trump-democrats-produce-mobs-republicans-produce-jobs/823233/114 "2018-10-21T18:27:01Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Wrong. > [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Yes. I suppose that belief does have a tendency to be more important than facts to some people. I’m just always surprised when they not only admit it, but are proud of that. > [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > You’re planning “retribution”? Is there a reason that you took those words out of the context they were in? > [@](#): > > Conservatives will be on the losing side politically. So, yes, political retribution. Things like regulating the industries that are being unregulated now so that they can dump waste into our environment or destroy our economy, bumping up taxes on the well off, recognizing civil rights, things like that that make the conservative whine and cry. It’s not our fault that civilization makes conservatives cry. > [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I don’t know what you’re referring to. Do you have a link? > [@](#): > > “A lot of people in California don’t want” sanctuary cities, [Trump said](https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/twitter-agog-over-trump-whopper-californians-rioting-sanctuary-cities_us_5bcbf8f9e4b0d38b5878f3a8). “They’re rioting now; they wanna get out of their sanctuary cities … They’re demanding they be released from sanctuary cities.” Do you feel that that is an accurate representation of the facts? If so, please link to any evidence that would agree with that. If not, then do you endorse this sort of behavior in the leader that you have chosen to represent you? ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2018, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-donald-trump-democrats-produce-mobs-republicans-produce-jobs/823233/115 "2018-10-21T18:36:28Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > You don’t really seriously believe “the left” is less “civil” than the right, so stop pretending you do. For me personally, the notion “you can’t _possibly_ believe that,” and the benefit of doubt it represents, was all but annihilated on November 8, 2016. It is now extended only to a very select group, of which the OP is decidedly not a member. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2018, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-donald-trump-democrats-produce-mobs-republicans-produce-jobs/823233/116 "2018-10-21T19:03:00Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Yes. Can you provide some cites? Which part of my cite showing that the number 1 and 2 job creators (if you want to credit the president) are both Democrats? Can you cite that mobs are more prevalent on the Democratic side? You said you wanted to discuss the political implications, but here you’re claiming that the slogan is factually accurate. Please provide cites. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2018, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-donald-trump-democrats-produce-mobs-republicans-produce-jobs/823233/117 "2018-10-21T19:59:43Z")
In his remarks, Trump gave special affection for the citizens of Nevada. Both videotapes and eyewitness reports confirm that the _was_, in fact, in Nevada. So, there’s that. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2018, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-donald-trump-democrats-produce-mobs-republicans-produce-jobs/823233/118 "2018-10-21T20:05:48Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > You don’t really seriously believe “the left” is less “civil” than the right, so stop pretending you do. > [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Wrong. So, if I may repeat: > [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > What specific policies have Republicans enacted that created jobs? > > My guess is that we’re referring to the huge tax cuts. These may have goosed the economy, at the cost of huge deficits during a time of surplus. Killing the deficit hawks in the Republican party might create new jobs on a temporary basis, okay, I’ll grant you that one. Any other policies that have actually created jobs? > > On the flip side, which specific mobs have been created by which specific Democrats? > > You say you think it’s accurate. Some examples would be peachy. I realize I’m leaving out a possibility: you believe it, not because you’ve the slightest scintilla of evidence to support the position, but because it makes you feel warm and toasty inside to believe it. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2018, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-donald-trump-democrats-produce-mobs-republicans-produce-jobs/823233/119 "2018-10-21T20:24:08Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > For me personally, the notion “you can’t _possibly_ believe that,” and the benefit of doubt it represents, was all but annihilated on November 8, 2016. It is now extended only to a very select group, of which the OP is decidedly not a member. The worst part about this whole situation is that when a republican or “centrist” (read: “classical liberal” in the Sargon of Akkad or Jordan Peterson vein) says something that matches up with neo-nazi propaganda, or endorses fascism, or says something so utterly asinine and stupid that you would normally assume they’re too smart to actually believe it, you’re left with _no idea_ whether they’re stupid or lying. It used to be the former was a pretty good bet; these days, I no longer trust _anyone_ who “ought to know better”. As [Contrapoints so eloquently put it](https://youtu.be/Sx4BVGPkdzk?t=1095): “This paranoia is a consequence of being constantly gaslit by fascists pretending not to be fascists”. Good video, by the way - very worth watching in full. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2018, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-donald-trump-democrats-produce-mobs-republicans-produce-jobs/823233/120 "2018-10-21T20:56:36Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > Do you think the slogan is factually accurate? > [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Yes. The cite provided by **RitterSport** in post #43 links to an article that talks about job creation under various presidents. Using the Bureau of Labor Statistics, it states that job creation is greater under presidents from the Democrat party than under presidents from the Republican party. To verify this, I went directly to the [Bureau of Labor Statistics](https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES0000000001?output_view=net_1mth) site, where I queried for and downloaded the non-farm jobs gain/loss for each month from January of 1961 through September of 2018. I thought that this would be a good representative sample, as Democrats have been in power for 28 of those years, while Republicans have been in power for 29.75 of those years. I then added up the monthly data to create an annual figure for each year, and identified the year as being under a Democrat or Republican. (For purposes of this argument, a ‘year’ begins with February and runs through January of the following year. Thus, the 1961 numbers run from February of 1961 through January of 1962, while the 2016 numbers begin with February of 2016 and run through January of 2017.) The numbers in the last 57.75 years are rather telling. The total number of jobs gained under Democrat administrations is 60.639 million, while the total number of jobs gained under Republican administrations is 35.178 million. Democrats, on average, create 21.656 million jobs per year. Republicans, on average, create 11.824 million jobs per year. So, **HD** , would you care to retract your claim about Republicans creating jobs? Or provide a cite in defense of it? Or maybe the slogan should be ‘Republicans produce jobs, Democrats produce more jobs.’ [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-donald-trump-democrats-produce-mobs-republicans-produce-jobs/823233.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-donald-trump-democrats-produce-mobs-republicans-produce-jobs/823233.md?page=7)