# President Donald Trump: "Democrats Produce Mobs, Republicans Produce Jobs" **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [October 20, 2018, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-donald-trump-democrats-produce-mobs-republicans-produce-jobs/823233 "2018-10-20T01:26:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-donald-trump-democrats-produce-mobs-republicans-produce-jobs/823233/141 "2018-10-22T03:25:27Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > Democrats produce fewer mobs… Several of you have made this claim in this thread. I don’t think anyone has provided any evidence to support it. What’s your cite? ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-donald-trump-democrats-produce-mobs-republicans-produce-jobs/823233/142 "2018-10-22T03:27:09Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > **HD** , I want to make sure that I parse your meaning correctly. Are you staying that the part of the slogan that says “republicans make jobs” is an accurate statement because the republicans have, in general, produced a quantity of jobs greater than zero? And that the part suggesting that the democrats create mobs is similarly true because of a quantity produced that is greater than zero? > > Is THAT really your statement? That’s certainly the most direct reading of the slogan. As I’ve already noted, I wasn’t intending to turn this into a fact check, but since some insist on doing so, I’m not going to sit idly by while they twist it into something that was not said / claimed. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-donald-trump-democrats-produce-mobs-republicans-produce-jobs/823233/143 "2018-10-22T03:27:37Z")
[quote=“HurricaneDitka, post:121, topic:823233”] [/QUOTE] A guy finds himself surrounded by a group of angry people after he inserts himself into a crowd of people and deliberately makes them angry. I guess technically an angry mob and since they are Gillum supporters probably Democrats for the most part. I’ll count it. > [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > [Eric Holder: “when they go low, we kick them.”](https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/politics/holder-when-they-go-low-we-kick-them/2018/10/11/f152f888-cd78-11e8-ad0a-0e01efba3cc1_video.html) Eric Holder is one 67 year-old man. Not a mob. > [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > [HRC: “You cannot be civil with a political party that wants to destroy what you stand for”](https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/09/politics/hillary-clinton-civility-congress-cnntv/index.html) Hillary Clinton is one 70 year-old woman. Not a mob. > [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > [Maxine Waters encourages supporters to harass Trump administration officials](https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/25/politics/maxine-waters-trump-officials/index.html) Maxine Waters is one 80 year-old woman. Not a mob. > [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > [Nebraska GOP office windows smashed, ‘ABOLISH ICE’ spray-painted on sidewalk](https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/395404-nebraska-gop-office-windows-smashed-abolish-ice-spray-painted-on) There’s no reason to believe a mob did this as opposed to one person. There’s also no reason to believe any Democrats were involved. > [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > [Illinois Republican party office vandalized with ‘rape,’ ‘shame’ graffiti on building, police say](https://www.foxnews.com/politics/illinois-republican-party-office-vandalized-with-rape-shame-graffiti-on-building-police-say) There’s no reason to believe a mob did this as opposed to one person. There’s also no reason to believe any Democrats were involved. > [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > [GOP Office Vandalized Ahead of Far-Right Event](https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2018/10/12/us/ap-ny-campaign-office-vandalized.html) There’s no reason to believe a mob did this as opposed to one person. There’s also no reason to believe any Democrats were involved. > [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > [Violence by far-left protesters in Berkeley sparks alarm](http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-berkeley-protests-20170827-story.html) This one is an angry mob. There may have also been some Democrats there. This one counts too. Two out of eight. On top of that a just plain wierd senior citizen phobia at play here. Single solitary old people are not angry mobs. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-donald-trump-democrats-produce-mobs-republicans-produce-jobs/823233/144 "2018-10-22T03:32:18Z")
It’s not “senior citizen phobia”. The quotes from HRC, Holder, and Waters were intended to show Democrat officials and leaders doing their part to urge violence / incivility / mob-like actions, basically the “Democrats produce” part of the slogan. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-donald-trump-democrats-produce-mobs-republicans-produce-jobs/823233/145 "2018-10-22T03:43:44Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > It’s not “senior citizen phobia”. The quotes from HRC, Holder, and Waters were intended to show Democrat officials and leaders doing their part to urge violence / incivility / mob-like actions, basically the “Democrats produce” part of the slogan. You should have stuck with the senior citizen phobia. Only one of the three senior citizen statements you linked to comes even close to urging violence / incivility / mob-like actions. One out of the three is vaguely in the ballpark. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-donald-trump-democrats-produce-mobs-republicans-produce-jobs/823233/146 "2018-10-22T03:45:58Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > That’s certainly the most direct reading of the slogan. As I’ve already noted, I wasn’t intending to turn this into a fact check, but since some insist on doing so, I’m not going to sit idly by while they twist it into something that was not said / claimed. That’s the most disingenuous, hyperpartisan argument I’ve ever seen you make. You’re a better poster and debater than this. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-donald-trump-democrats-produce-mobs-republicans-produce-jobs/823233/147 "2018-10-22T03:48:37Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > You’re a better poster and debater than this. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-donald-trump-democrats-produce-mobs-republicans-produce-jobs/823233/148 "2018-10-22T03:55:04Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > On top of that a just plain wierd senior citizen phobia at play here. Single solitary old people are not angry mobs. (post shortened) Eric Holder, Hillary Clinton, and Maxine Waters all belong to the same mob. A mob that promotes violence actions from others. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-donald-trump-democrats-produce-mobs-republicans-produce-jobs/823233/149 "2018-10-22T03:57:15Z")
Republicans create jobs, God alone knows what Robert Mueller would do without them! Boris Karloff look-alike contests are few and far between these days. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-donald-trump-democrats-produce-mobs-republicans-produce-jobs/823233/150 "2018-10-22T03:57:28Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > (post shortened) > > Eric Holder, Hillary Clinton, and Maxine Waters all belong to the same mob. A mob that promotes violence actions from others. Not really. Have you read the thread? ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-donald-trump-democrats-produce-mobs-republicans-produce-jobs/823233/151 "2018-10-22T04:02:00Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Several of you have made this claim in this thread. I don’t think anyone has provided any evidence to support it. What’s your cite? > **[Unite the Right rally](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unite_the_Right_rally)** > > Counter-protesters > Protesters > American militia movement > **[Armed protesters were on Portland rooftop in August, police now say](https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2018/10/armed_protesters_were_on_portl.html)** > > Members of the right-wing group Patriot Prayer stationed themselves on a downtown Portland rooftop with a cache of guns prior to a summer protest, city officials announced for the first time Monday – the same day Mayor Ted Wheeler learned about it,... > **[Praising Violence? Trump Hails Body Slamming Congressman Greg Gianforte](https://www.msnbc.com/david-gura/watch/pres-trump-any-guy-who-can-do-a-body-slam-he-s-my-guy-1348951619822?v=railb&)** > > MSNBC's David Gura and a panel of guests discuss Rep. Greg Gianforte's assault of a journalist and Trump's seemingly praiseworthy comments on Gianforte's violent behavior. > **[Tea Partiers Protest At White House: ‘Hang The Lying Kenyan Traitor’](https://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/tea-partiers-protest-lynch-obama)** > > Tea partiers shouted obscene, racist chants on Wednesday while gathered outside of the White House to protest President Obama's executive actions on immigration. Right Wing Watch reported that among… And that’s not including the dozens of assaults and deaths from right wing “lone wolves”. That you continue to use Maxine Waters as proof of violence when she specifically said NOT to touch anyone is…educating. Incivility in the age of Trump is hardly a mob, and if that’s what you have to whine about when righties are literally shooting people, well, be glad you’re not a Democrat. We have real shit to worry about. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-donald-trump-democrats-produce-mobs-republicans-produce-jobs/823233/152 "2018-10-22T04:14:53Z")
Anybody else thinking this whole “mob rule” shit is because the tighty rightys just figured out that they are outnumbered? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-donald-trump-democrats-produce-mobs-republicans-produce-jobs/823233/153 "2018-10-22T04:15:05Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > That you continue to use Maxine Waters as proof of violence when she specifically said NOT to touch anyone is…educating. Incivility in the age of Trump is hardly a mob, and if that’s what you have to whine about when righties are literally shooting people, well, be glad you’re not a Democrat. We have real shit to worry about. Don’t forget [“running people over”](https://www.wcnc.com/article/news/1-dead-19-injured-as-car-hits-crowd-at-rally-in-charlottesville-driver-in-custody/507-463871502) and, of course, [the numerous times Donald Trump has praised and encouraged violence](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/back-trump-comments-perceived-encouraging-violence/story?id=48415766). ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-donald-trump-democrats-produce-mobs-republicans-produce-jobs/823233/154 "2018-10-22T04:16:20Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Anybody else thinking this whole “mob rule” shit is because the tighty rightys just figured out that they are outnumbered? Nah; that has nothing to do with it. They’re _always_ the real victim, see. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-donald-trump-democrats-produce-mobs-republicans-produce-jobs/823233/155 "2018-10-22T05:33:58Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > You should have stuck with the senior citizen phobia. Only one of the three senior citizen statements you linked to comes even close to urging violence / incivility / mob-like actions. One out of the three is vaguely in the ballpark. Which one are you thinking of? “… kick them”, “You cannot be civil …”, or “You get out and you create a crowd. And you push back on them.”? ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-donald-trump-democrats-produce-mobs-republicans-produce-jobs/823233/156 "2018-10-22T05:41:34Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > [Unite the Right rally - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unite_the_Right_rally) > > [Armed protesters were on Portland rooftop in August, police now say - oregonlive.com](https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2018/10/armed_protesters_were_on_portl.html) > > [Pres. Trump: "Any guy who can do a body slam, he's my guy"](https://www.msnbc.com/david-gura/watch/pres-trump-any-guy-who-can-do-a-body-slam-he-s-my-guy-1348951619822?v=railb&) > > [Tea Partiers Protest At White House: ‘Hang The Lying Kenyan Traitor’ - TPM – Talking Points Memo](https://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/tea-partiers-protest-lynch-obama) > > … None of these are evidence for “Democrats produce fewer mobs”. I readily concede there are _anecdotes_ of mob-like actions on both sides, but ‘the plural of anecdote is not data’. These don’t tell us which side has more or which side has fewer. I was looking for you to provide some _data_ related to “fewer mobs”. Do you have any? If not, why would you claim “fewer”? ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 5:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-donald-trump-democrats-produce-mobs-republicans-produce-jobs/823233/157 "2018-10-22T05:47:02Z")
Why are you only viewing republicans under the “create jobs” banner,and only democrats under the “create mobs” moniker? Your disingenuousness doesn’t seem to indicate a willingness to debate in good faith. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-donald-trump-democrats-produce-mobs-republicans-produce-jobs/823233/158 "2018-10-22T06:06:55Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > Why are you only viewing republicans under the “create jobs” banner,and only democrats under the “create mobs” moniker? > > Your disingenuousness doesn’t seem to indicate a willingness to debate in good faith. I don’t think I’ve claimed in this thread that “only” democrats create mobs. Earlier RitterSport said this: > [@RitterSport](#): > > … I’m willing to concede that there are lefties and Democrats that sometimes gather and sometimes get unruly. Are you willing to concede the same is true on the right? … He indicated he wasn’t coming back, so I didn’t respond, but if it would help you, I’ll concede “the same is true on the right”. The same is also true of “produce jobs”. The White House has been occupied by both R’s and D’s while jobs have been created in this country. Ditto for control of Congress. As I said, I hoped the discussion would focus on the political effects of the slogan. Nobody (or very few) seemed interested in that. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 7:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-donald-trump-democrats-produce-mobs-republicans-produce-jobs/823233/159 "2018-10-22T07:33:53Z")
What effects? Anyone can objectively show that his slogan is just as meaningless as any other sound bite he offers. The people who love him will believe it. More will view it as the partisan bullshit that it is. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 8:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-donald-trump-democrats-produce-mobs-republicans-produce-jobs/823233/160 "2018-10-22T08:04:02Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > As I said, I hoped the discussion would focus on the political effects of the slogan. Nobody (or very few) seemed interested in that. What’s there to discuss? It’s a phenomenally stupid, dishonest slogan that true believers will lap up without any critical thinking. What effect is it supposed to have? It’s more red meat for the base, but the base is not exactly in doubt as to who to vote for because they’re the kind of people who would buy into a slogan this stupid, even after people have explained at length why it’s a dishonest mess. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-donald-trump-democrats-produce-mobs-republicans-produce-jobs/823233.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-donald-trump-democrats-produce-mobs-republicans-produce-jobs/823233.md?page=9)