# President Dumbass invokes Nazis as he attacks Obama in Israel **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 15, 2008, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-dumbass-invokes-nazis-as-he-attacks-obama-in-israel/449444 "2008-05-15T15:36:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-dumbass-invokes-nazis-as-he-attacks-obama-in-israel/449444/41 "2008-05-15T20:08:36Z")
[QUOTE=Sophistry and Illusion] They might not be right, but your dismissive attitude toward the suggestion that we should engage in diplomacy doesn’t really advance your argument. [/QUOTE] Not towards diplomacy - towards **Squink** ’s rather lame suggestion that Bush is to blame for a two year delay after the North Koreans violated the last result of diplomacy.Just like I said, if you would trouble yourself to read for content. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-dumbass-invokes-nazis-as-he-attacks-obama-in-israel/449444/42 "2008-05-15T20:10:38Z")
[QUOTE=Mr. Moto] C’mon. Let’s get real here. Nobody is saying there shouldn’t be channels of negotiation between countries and organizations we have a beef with. [/QUOTE] Oh, and idiot-boy Bush’s [spokesperson](http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2008/05/20080515-2.html) also says we should not have negotiations with people that Bush thinks “we should not talk to” MS. PERINO: I would think that all of you who cover these issues and have for a long time have known that there are many who have suggested these types of negotiations with people that President Bush thinks we should not talk to. We’re trying to “get real here”, **Mr. Moto** Try it, it’s fun! ---
**Author:** ![SmartAleq](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smartaleq/32/163_2.png) [@SmartAleq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmartAleq)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-dumbass-invokes-nazis-as-he-attacks-obama-in-israel/449444/43 "2008-05-15T20:14:42Z")
Hmmm, since Godwin has been invoked I wonder if that means that Prescott Bush, the UBC and the civil suit brought by Auschwitz survivors against the Bush family is now in play? 'Cuz you’d kinda figure that asset seizure under the [Trading With The Enemies Act](http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar) in 1942 would go far beyond Nazi “appeasement” and well into Nazi “aiding and abetting.” Here’s a [link to a 2006 DKos blog](http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/4/17/7332/32962) that goes into quite a few specifics, and there are a couple of current diaries dealing with this issue as well. Of course, there’s also Bush Sr’s Iran-Contra shenanigans–I guess diplomacy is right out, but furnishing arms to enemies is A-OK in the Bush playbook. Assholes. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-dumbass-invokes-nazis-as-he-attacks-obama-in-israel/449444/44 "2008-05-15T20:14:50Z")
[QUOTE=Shodan] Not towards diplomacy - towards **Squink** ’s rather lame suggestion that Bush is to blame for a two year delay after the North Koreans violated the last result of diplomacy.Just like I said, if you would trouble yourself to read for content. Regards, Shodan [/QUOTE] Yes, Bush clearly is to blame. He thinks there are “people we should not talk to”. Full stop. Don’t talk to them. FULL STOP. His “thinking” stops there. This shows the full extent of his mental processes. He has not the slightest idea of how to solve minor problems, much less how to conduct international diplomacy. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-dumbass-invokes-nazis-as-he-attacks-obama-in-israel/449444/45 "2008-05-15T20:17:57Z")
[QUOTE=Shodan] Just like I said, if you would trouble yourself to read for content. Regards, Shodan [/QUOTE] I would love to do this - could you trouble yourself to point to a post by you in this thread that contains any content? ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-dumbass-invokes-nazis-as-he-attacks-obama-in-israel/449444/46 "2008-05-15T20:19:31Z")
[QUOTE=Eyer8] This has lots of spin by my read. Sure, Pyongyang started threatening to violate and then violated the framework, but only after the US dragged their feet on implementation. [/quote] [Methinks your understanding of the timing is a bit off the mark.](http://www.carnegieendowment.org/publications/index.cfm?fa=view&id=12914&proj=znpp) NK ratified the Nuclear Non-Proliferation treaty in 1985. And your allegation that the US failed to follow thru on the Agreed Framework is also wrong. ([cite.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_Non-Proliferation_Treaty)) > [@](#): > > Bush did shit for his first term and I hold his policies responsible for the fact that North Korea is a nuclear power… So what you are saying is, Clinton negotiated an agreement, the US kept its part, NK violated it almost from the get-go, and it is Bush’s fault because he called them on it. Okaaaaay… Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-dumbass-invokes-nazis-as-he-attacks-obama-in-israel/449444/47 "2008-05-15T20:24:22Z")
Bush is the Hillary Clinton of the Republican Party. He just doesn’t know when to stop or shut up. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-dumbass-invokes-nazis-as-he-attacks-obama-in-israel/449444/48 "2008-05-15T20:28:06Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > Now the lying sack of shit is denying that he was talking about Obama at all. So none of you were paying attention, then? > [@Otto](#): > > To be fair, one’s singing voice is rather muffled by a mouthful of cock. I bow to your superior knowledge. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-dumbass-invokes-nazis-as-he-attacks-obama-in-israel/449444/49 "2008-05-15T20:44:14Z")
[QUOTE=The Tao’s Revenge] Maybe Bush should start calling it I-wreq (say it out loud). [/QUOTE] I present the I-Rack! [![](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/rw2nkoGLhrE/hqdefault.jpg "Madtv - Apple I-rack") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rw2nkoGLhrE) ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-dumbass-invokes-nazis-as-he-attacks-obama-in-israel/449444/50 "2008-05-15T20:53:33Z")
If it’s uncool for Americans to go overseas and attack the President, shouldn’t it be uncool for the President to go overseas and attack Americans? ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-dumbass-invokes-nazis-as-he-attacks-obama-in-israel/449444/51 "2008-05-15T21:09:11Z")
[QUOTE=Shodan] So none of you were paying attention, then? [/QUOTE] I have no idea what you mean by “paying attention”. The entire civilized world understood that Dumbass was talking about Obama, as a Google of relevant news articles will attest. He knew that. You know that. We all know that. ---
**Author:** ![stolichnaya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bcef8e/32.png) [@stolichnaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stolichnaya)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-dumbass-invokes-nazis-as-he-attacks-obama-in-israel/449444/52 "2008-05-15T21:14:51Z")
Even if he wasn’t, it was a sharp move to rise to the bait. More of Obama slugging it out with our nation’s favorite old lumpen mascot will be fine with me. ---
**Author:** ![Giles](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giles/32/60_2.png) [@Giles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giles)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-dumbass-invokes-nazis-as-he-attacks-obama-in-israel/449444/53 "2008-05-15T21:17:00Z")
[QUOTE=Liberal] I have no idea what you mean by “paying attention”. The entire civilized world understood that Dumbass was talking about Obama, as a Google of relevant news articles will attest. He knew that. You know that. We all know that. [/QUOTE] But of course, he chose his words (or they were chosen for him), so that his spokesperson could deny the Obama connection later. Bingo! – Cause damage to Obama, with minimal damage to himself. (Except that he and his spokespeople have been equivocating for so long like this that we all can see the pattern.) ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-dumbass-invokes-nazis-as-he-attacks-obama-in-israel/449444/54 "2008-05-15T21:19:40Z")
[QUOTE=Shodan] Not towards diplomacy - towards **Squink** ’s rather lame suggestion that Bush is to blame for a two year delay **after** the North Koreans violated… [/QUOTE] emphasis added. You seem confused by the meaning of “before” and “after.” Here are some relevant examples of Bush’s stance towards NK “before” the violation was brought to light: [BUSH TELLS SEOUL TALKS WITH NORTH WON’T RESUME NOW](http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B03E5DC163AF93BA35750C0A9679C8B63&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss) > [@](#): > > Published: March 8, 2001 > > President Bush told President Kim Dae Jung of South Korea today that he would not resume missile talks with North Korea anytime soon, putting aside the Clinton administration’s two-year campaign for a deal and the eventual normalization of relations with the reclusive Communist state. [Foreign Press Centers - United States Department of State](http://fpc.state.gov/documents/organization/16169.pdf) > [@](#): > > As part of a policy review toward North Korea, President Bush issued a statement on > **June 6, 2001** , outlining policy objectives related to implementation of the U.S.-North Korean > 1994 Agreed Framework on North Korea’s nuclear program, North Korea’s missile program, > and its conventional forces. He stated that if North Korea took positive actions in response > to the U.S. approach, the United States “will expand our efforts to help the North Korean > people, ease sanctions, and take other political steps.” President Bush’s designation of North > Korea as part of an “axis of evil” in his January 29, 2002 State of the Union address clarified > the Administration’s policy that had emerged after the June 6 statement. The policy is aimed > at reducing and/or eliminating basic elements of North Korean military power, including > weapons of mass destruction (WMDs), nuclear weapons and/or nuclear weapons-grade > materials, missiles, and conventional artillery and rocket launchers positioned on the > demilitarized zone (DMZ) within range of the South Korean capital, Seoul. The > Administration’s emphasis on WMDs mounted after the Central Intelligence Agency gained > documentary evidence in Afghanistan that al Qaeda seeks WMDs and plans new attacks on > the United States. This reportedly influenced the Bush Administration to broaden the > definition of the war against terrorism to include states like North Korea that potentially > could supply WMDs to al Qaeda. > \*\*The Administration’s strategy is to employ public accusations and warnings to pressure > North Korea to make policy changes regarding its military assets in line with U.S. objectives. \*\* > Since July 2001, the Bush Administration has warned that it will suspend construction of the > two light water nuclear reactors in North Korea (a provision of the 1994 U.S.-North Korean > nuclear Agreed Framework) unless North Korea soon comes into compliance with its > obligations to the International Atomic Energy Agency to allow full-scope inspections of > nuclear facilities, including the secret uranium enrichment program North Korea admitted > to in October 2002. The Bush Administration made a number of statements calling on North > Korea to pull back artillery and rocket launchers from the DMZ. Beginning with statements > in November 2001 and dramatically in the State of the Union address and in subsequent > pronouncements, the Bush Administration set a demand that North Korea stop the export of > missiles and weapons of mass destruction to the Middle East and South Asia, eliminate these > weapons from its arsenal, and allow verification of such steps. President Bush’s repeated > declarations since the State of the Union that he would not stand by while this threat mounts > constitute a broader warning to North Korea alongside the explicit warning of shutting down > the light water reactors. > Administration officials have said that they want a comprehensive negotiation with > North Korea on all these issues. However, they add that the Administration will not > negotiate until North Korea ends the secret uranium enrichment program, which it **revealed > in October 2002.** ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-dumbass-invokes-nazis-as-he-attacks-obama-in-israel/449444/55 "2008-05-15T21:24:53Z")
[QUOTE=Giles] But of course, he chose his words (or they were chosen for him), so that his spokesperson could deny the Obama connection later. Bingo! – Cause damage to Obama, with minimal damage to himself. (Except that he and his spokespeople have been equivocating for so long like this that we all can see the pattern.) [/QUOTE] Right. It backfired. The talking heads are calling bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-dumbass-invokes-nazis-as-he-attacks-obama-in-israel/449444/56 "2008-05-15T21:28:40Z")
[QUOTE=Liberal] The talking heads are calling bullshit. [/QUOTE] Those **brave** souls! It’s not as if anyone _cares_ who gets the fancy-pants interviews with white house officials anymore, is it? ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-dumbass-invokes-nazis-as-he-attacks-obama-in-israel/449444/57 "2008-05-15T21:30:50Z")
[QUOTE=Shodan] I bow to your superior knowledge. [/QUOTE] As you should. To most people. On most topics. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-dumbass-invokes-nazis-as-he-attacks-obama-in-israel/449444/58 "2008-05-15T21:46:02Z")
[QUOTE=Contrapuntal] That was some wicked shit, but what was the stuff about his golf game? I missed the reference. [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Liberal] Dumbass said in an interview that he didn’t think the families of the injured and dead wanted to see their Commander in Chief on a golf course, and so he decided to give it up. Turns out he lied anyway. [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Contrapuntal] Good Lord! So he claimed to be giving up golf, for patriotic reasons, and then went on and played anyway? [/QUOTE] Not for patriotic reasons. For _ **PR** _ reasons. “I don’t want some mom, whose son may have recently died, to see the Commander in Chief playing golf. … Playing golf during the war sends the wrong signal.” Don’t take my word for it, [watch him say it yourself.](http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZSRxNPqqUH4) **Not** I have more important things to do. **Not** it bothers my conscience. Simply: **It would look bad.** The words, simply stated, of a sociopath. A man with no empathy, and no emotional soul; a man concerned only with how his behaviors mechanistically trigger reactions in others. Oh, and could somebody please call tech support? The **Shobot** is emitting sparks again. Must be a _tu quoque_ logic loop. Can we get a quick reset? ---
**Author:** ![SmartAleq](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smartaleq/32/163_2.png) [@SmartAleq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmartAleq)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-dumbass-invokes-nazis-as-he-attacks-obama-in-israel/449444/59 "2008-05-15T21:54:54Z")
[QUOTE=Cervaise] Oh, and could somebody please call tech support? The **Shobot** is emitting sparks again. Must be a _tu quoque_ logic loop. Can we get a quick reset? [/QUOTE] I think I love you! 😛 ---
**Author:** ![mks57](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9bd4f/32.png) [@mks57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mks57)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-dumbass-invokes-nazis-as-he-attacks-obama-in-israel/449444/60 "2008-05-15T21:59:22Z")
As someone once said, diplomacy is the art of saying “nice doggie” while looking for a large rock. Hamas, the democratically elected governing party of the West Bank and Gaza, is waging war on Israel. These are the same assholes who simultaneously attack the border crossings and whine that Israel has blockaded Gaza. What’s there to talk about? They’ve made it very plain what their goals are, and they don’t include peace with Israel. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-dumbass-invokes-nazis-as-he-attacks-obama-in-israel/449444.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-dumbass-invokes-nazis-as-he-attacks-obama-in-israel/449444.md?page=4)