# President Joe Biden and the runup to the 2024 election **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 15, 2021, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384 "2021-11-15T14:54:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2023, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/341 "2023-11-26T16:57:47Z")
nm - opinion piece. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2023, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/342 "2023-11-27T00:00:02Z")
[Neglecting to use the pronoun](https://www.newsweek.com/fox-news-lucas-tomlinson-leave-out-key-point-attack-bidens-age-1846968) “I”, > [@](#): > > “While shopping in Nantucket, President Biden was asked by a reporter if he is too old to run for re-election. ‘That’s stupid,’ he replied,” Tomlinson wrote on X … This seems to be one of the weaknesses of Joe the President: politeness. This person deserved the response “Go Fuck Yourself.” Seriously, show some feeling, man. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2023, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/343 "2023-11-27T00:42:48Z")
People are saying that Lucas Tomlinson is fundamentally dishonest. I read that on the internet. ---
**Author:** ![Eric1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3bc359/32.png) [@Eric1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eric1)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2023, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/344 "2023-11-27T22:35:10Z")
President Biden made a speech today denouncing violence in domestic affairs as unacceptable. It’s what rational people expect from a president and definitely within his repertoire. Of course it won’t have any effect on aggressive folks but I appreciate his taking on the mantle for sure. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2023, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/345 "2023-11-28T15:07:36Z")
Some of the interior decorations are too over-the-top for me, but what the hell, I wasn’t consulted: [https://www.cnn.com/style/jill-biden-white-house-holiday-decorations/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/style/jill-biden-white-house-holiday-decorations/index.html) ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2023, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/346 "2023-11-28T15:27:09Z")
Yeah, that’s all a bit too “shopping mall Santa’s grotto” for my taste. ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2023, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/347 "2023-11-28T17:03:12Z")
Voters now have a clear choice between the Bidens’ traditional Norman Rockwell-style Christmas and the Trumps’ Christmas in the ninth circle of Hell. [![](https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod/images/white-house-christmas-decorations-east-wing-hallway-1511801087.jpg) ](https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod/images/white-house-christmas-decorations-east-wing-hallway-1511801087.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2023, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/348 "2023-11-28T20:34:59Z")
I like the Biden’s decorations. Christmas is the one time of the year when I suspend any “good taste” I usually employ, but I don’t find those decorations especially garish or over-the-top. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2023, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/349 "2023-11-28T20:36:23Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Some of the interior decorations are too over-the-top for me, but what the hell, I wasn’t consulted: Classic and maybe a bit over the top, but still good. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2023, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/350 "2023-11-29T01:10:07Z")
> [@carrps](#): > > I like the Biden’s decorations. I absolutely love them. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2023, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/351 "2023-11-29T01:58:46Z")
Melania’s _Christmas in Nordic Hell_ series was, quite frankly, one of the few enjoyable things to come out of that administration. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2023, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/352 "2023-11-29T03:24:46Z")
Christmas is all so damn serious – she gave us something to laugh about. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2023, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/353 "2023-11-29T06:46:57Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Melania’s _Christmas in Nordic Hell_ series was, quite frankly, one of the few enjoyable things to come out of that administration. Honestly I can easily see the White Witch from the The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe cruising down those halls in a sled loaded with suspiciously-flavored Turkish Delight. And that’s not really an insult 😆. I sorta like grim, foreboding Christmas. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2023, 10:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/354 "2023-11-29T10:16:14Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#): > > I sorta like grim, foreboding Christmas. Yeah, I’d take austere over twee, generally speaking. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2023, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/355 "2023-11-29T16:48:01Z")
The Ice Queen’s holiday party decor. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2023, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/356 "2023-11-29T21:17:30Z")
Well, well, well… [https://twitter.com/SimonWDC/status/1729920459188400234?t=v4hbMZYoupX-HCquWeCJww&s=19](https://twitter.com/SimonWDC/status/1729920459188400234?t=v4hbMZYoupX-HCquWeCJww&s=19) Amazing the amount of news coverage this is getting! /s > [@](#): > > All 4 natl polls released this week have Biden leading Trump (via @FiveThirtyEight): > > 44-42 Economist/You Gov - 3 pt gain since mid-Nov > 43-42 Morning Consult - 4 pt gain since last week > 39-37 YouGov > 37-35 Leger/The Canadian Press ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2023, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/357 "2023-12-02T17:15:21Z")
Interesting — thanks for sharing. Doesn’t fit the “Dems in disarray” narrative, so, as you implied, not getting much press. Let’s not get complacent, nor read into into it too much…but multiple polls with similar results probably indicates a real trend (though not necessarily a long-lived one). I wonder what’s driving this? Inflation has gone down, but that started months ago. Perhaps folks have finally internalized that prices will never be where they were a few years ago (that would require DEflation, a sign of an epic economic disaster). Now they’re used to the new level, and see how it’s pretty stable. (And employment is still great, and the stock market is back to doing well). Maybe another factor is swing voters’ disappointment with non-Trump Republican candidates: DeSantis fizzling, Haley looking okay but she’s a woman (i still insist this was a key factor in Hillary’s loss), I know this shouldn’t have a direct effect on a Trump vs. Biden poll, but I think it can — a few folks might have said “Trump” before, half heartedly, waiting for a better Republican to show up, but now that hasn’t happened, and they think Joe might not be so bad after all. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2023, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/358 "2023-12-02T19:37:34Z")
Withdrawn for now ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2023, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/359 "2023-12-02T20:02:47Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Well, well, well… > > [https://twitter.com/SimonWDC/status/1729920459188400234?t=v4hbMZYoupX-HCquWeCJww&s=19](https://twitter.com/SimonWDC/status/1729920459188400234?t=v4hbMZYoupX-HCquWeCJww&s=19) > > Amazing the amount of news coverage this is getting! Someone on twitter cherry-picked what was at [Five Thirty Eight](https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/). The only way you get the Twitter/X result is to make the seven day period precisely November 21 - 27. If your week is either November 20 - 26, or November 21 - 28, you get Trump + 4 polls into the mix. Looking at the [rolling averages at RealClearPolitics](https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2024/president/us/general-election-trump-vs-biden-7383.html), where they consider the most recent poll from the eleven organizations which have released a poll in the last three weeks, Biden has bounced up a smidgen from where he was a week or two ago. Whether these small ups and downs are more than statistical noise is anyone’s guess. Is there some specific news outlet being attacked here? ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2023, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/360 "2023-12-02T21:09:50Z")
Thanks for this info and analysis. That makes a LOT more sense. Indeed, I didn’t believe the Twitter summary could be entirely real (without manipulation like the cherry-picking you noted), which is why I struggled for explanations, neither of which would produce such a rapid shift. So, it seems — if more polls in coming weeks confirm this — that Biden is no longer declining in head-to-head polls versus Trump. He’s in a slightly better place than a month ago, perhaps in part for the reasons I mentioned (especially the economic one). But he has NOT dramatically surged ahead. (Regarding news outlets, some think that the New York Times (and possibly CNN?) overstates doom and gloom for the Democrats, and for Biden in particular. The article below is from 2014, when this was already a “cliche from long ago”.) > **[The coming return of “Dems In Disarray!”](https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2014/08/25/the-coming-return-of-dems-in-disarray/)** > > Ignore such chatter -- chances are that it will be seriously overblown. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384.md?page=19)