# President Joe Biden and the runup to the 2024 election **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 15, 2021, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384 "2021-11-15T14:54:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 23
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2024, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/452 "2024-01-19T23:33:53Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > The nice part about extremist lunacy is that whatever the problem is, and no matter how many decades long-standing it is, or who touched it last, they can always shout that the _real_ problem is that “Not enough extremism has been applied; only extremism is the solution. This can be fixed if only we’re willing to shed enough blood and treasure.” Same thing happens with many bad ideas- the bad idea fails, so the reasoning goes _the idea was not big enuf or bad enuf, we have to try again._ > [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > If a conservative Republican President who was a former freakin’ Governor of _Texas_ couldn’t secure the border in eight years, it can’t be done. Again, my question is why does the border need to be secured to such an extent? We are not worried about Mexico invading. And please note- the Maginot line did not even work to secure _that_ border. Note the the Maginot line cost around $4B USD in todays money. trump wall would cost about $20B. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2024, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/453 "2024-01-20T00:15:20Z")
The border is not insecure, the problem is 100% policy based and requires immigration reform. People are coming to the border and asking for asylum, this is completely legal. While they wait on their court date they get work permits, court is massively backed up so this takes years. Coming to the US and getting a work permit for a few years is already a win for them so it encourages more people to come, leading to longer and longer wait times. It doesn’t even matter that the overwhelming majority of those asylum cases have zero chance at being approved, most of the people coming don’t even understand that. Border security has fuck all to do with any of this. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2024, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/454 "2024-01-20T00:58:15Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > The border is not insecure, the problem is 100% policy based and requires immigration reform. People are coming to the border and asking for asylum, this is completely legal. While they wait on their court date they get work permits, court is massively backed up so this takes years. The problem is that due to the GOP they DON’T get work permits, so us Taxpayers have to support them. And > [@DigitalC](#): > > Coming to the US and getting a work permit for a few years is already a win for them so it encourages more people to come, This is a feature, not a bug. when they finally get their much delayed work permits, they do nasty dirty jobs Americans don’t want to do, keeping farm and ranch produce cheaper so we have cheaper grocery trips. They pay taxes, and they pay into SocSec- with little hope of ever getting any of that back. This keep SocSec secure. Let them come, give them permits- fine by me. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2024, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/455 "2024-01-20T03:03:51Z")
But but but!!! You don’t understand. Those people are _Brown!_ We can’t have more of that. /s ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2024, 8:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/456 "2024-01-20T08:12:15Z")
Exactly. They aint talking about a wall in the North, are they? ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2024, 8:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/457 "2024-01-20T08:48:48Z")
In fairness, very few, if any, Canadians would be inclined to illegally immigrate into the United States. They might not even want to do so legally. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2024, 8:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/458 "2024-01-20T08:49:45Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > trump wall would cost about $20B. I can’t recall the source but I recall reading it would be far more than that - perhaps to the tune of $80-100 billion. ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2024, 11:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/459 "2024-01-20T11:29:15Z")
I read where the number of undocumented Canadians in the U.S. is in the low six figures. So, not huge, but not nothing. Personally, I’m in the camp that says do some background checks and let ‘em all in, so I wouldn’t care if it was a million. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2024, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/460 "2024-01-20T20:53:08Z")
> [@Stratocaster](#): > > I read where the number of undocumented Canadians in the U.S. is in the low six figures. So, not huge, but not nothing. True, but the border is " **not secure!!!"** 🙄 > [@Stratocaster](#): > > Personally, I’m in the camp that says do some background checks and let ‘em all in, so I wouldn’t care if it was a million. why not? ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2024, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/461 "2024-01-22T18:17:29Z")
Another view on the Biden-is-too-old issue, from the _LA Times_: [Column: In praise of gerontocracy](https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2023-05-09/column-in-praise-of-gerontocracy) ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2024, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/462 "2024-01-22T18:52:18Z")
Excellent article. I especially liked this bit: > [@](#): > > The proper reaction to anyone who tries to tell you that our gerontocracy is a political problem is to ask what more relevant truth they’re trying to conceal. I may start echoing that on this board at appropriate moments. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2024, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/463 "2024-01-22T19:01:53Z")
I’d like it better if they defined “gerontocracy” and “omphaloskeptics” (a word that fits into that thread about pretentiousness IMHO) in the article, but that bit of laziness aside it’s very good. ---
**Author:** ![TeroSunbear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terosunbear/32/14748_2.png) [@TeroSunbear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TeroSunbear)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2024, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/464 "2024-01-24T13:39:53Z")
They want to predict 2024 elections by polling. Well, the best predictor we have is the 2020 election. Trump keeps telling that Joe Biden has led the country to ruin, yet we don’t see the ruin. I think we can pretty much leave Joe out of the polling as any significant factor. Joe is boring, though he has started to wag his finger about democracy and autocrats. So the question is, has Trump gained any voters? I don’t think so. The email lady is not running and Hunter Biden is not running either. So, going to Michigan results: Popular vote 2,804,040 Biden 2,649,852 Trump I don’t think Trump has gained any voters there. Georgia: Popular vote 2,473,633 2,461,854 Very close, election hour and district tampering could lower Biden turnout. Tossup. Arizona: Popular vote 1,672,143 1,661,686 Tossup new Hampshire Popular vote 424,921 365,654 Percentage 52.71% Biden 45.36% Trump Not going to change. Nevada: Percentage Biden 50.06% Trump 47.67% And so on. Click the state in the map to get data. > **[2020 United States presidential election](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidential_election)** > > Donald Trump > Republican > Joe Biden > Democratic > The 2020 United States presidential election was the 59th quadrennial presidential election, held on Tuesday, November 3, 2020.\[a\] The Democratic ticket of former vice president Joe Biden and the junior U.S. senator from California Kamala Harris defeated the incumbent Republican president, Donald Trump, and vice president, Mike Pence. The election took place against the backdrop of the global COVID-19 pandemic and related recession. The election ... ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2024, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/465 "2024-01-24T14:22:48Z")
By that logic, Trump should have won reelection in 2020, and GHWB in 1992. The country’s political dynamics change in four years - sometimes quite a bit. Incumbent Presidents have significant advantages, but they are not and never have been assured a second term. ---
**Author:** ![TeroSunbear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terosunbear/32/14748_2.png) [@TeroSunbear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TeroSunbear)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2024, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/466 "2024-01-24T16:11:25Z")
But Trump. After 4 years he only had chaos to present. After 3 years of Biden we have…boredom. If the GOP had a new candidate to present, Biden could easily lose. In with the new, out with the old. Trump can’t offer that. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2024, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/467 "2024-01-24T18:02:09Z")
I only wish you were right. Dubya failed to prevent 9-11 and got us into two wars, and then got even more votes in 2004 than he had in 2000 - the outright popular-vote majority that eluded him the first time. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2024, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/468 "2024-01-24T18:52:54Z")
> **[New Pennsylvania poll shows Biden leading Trump in head-to-head](https://www.pennlive.com/politics/2024/01/new-pennsylvania-poll-shows-biden-leading-trump-in-head-to-head.html)** > > Casey holds a smaller lead over McCormick in U.S. Senate race. > [@](#): > > The sampling by Susquehanna Polling & Research Inc. has Biden drawing support from 46.8 percent of the 745 registered voters interviewed from Jan. 15 through the 21st. Trump drew support from 39.3 percent in the hypothetical, but likely, match-up. > > Undecided voters made up 7.6 percent of the sample, and 5.6 percent said they preferred a third choice at this time. (The Susquehanna Poll did not list any of the third candidates by name.) > > In one of the best findings for Biden in the poll, Susquehanna said that independent and “swing” voters - identified as those respondents who said they split their tickets in most elections, broke for Biden by a 48-to-25 margin. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2024, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/469 "2024-01-24T19:48:42Z")
> [@TeroSunbear](#): > > After 4 years he only had chaos to present. After 3 years of Biden we have…boredom. Two wars = boredom? Not to mention environmental issues and abortion legal battles. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2024, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/470 "2024-01-24T19:55:19Z")
Anything looks boring compared to an insane carnival barker con man hopped up on adderall shouting unhinged lunacy in our faces every day. Its the same way that any day seems boring compared to the day you were attacked by a rabid wolverine on cocaine. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2024, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/471 "2024-01-24T20:13:31Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > > [@TeroSunbear](#): > > > > After 4 years he only had chaos to present. After 3 years of Biden we have…boredom. > > Two wars = boredom? The US isn’t directly involved in any wars, and astonishing numbers of people don’t actually give a daily thought to what’s happening in Ukraine or Gaza – let alone how Biden’s action or inaction affects them. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384.md?page=22) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384.md?page=24)