# President Joe Biden and the runup to the 2024 election **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 15, 2021, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384 "2021-11-15T14:54:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 30
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2024, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/592 "2024-02-06T04:37:53Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > And it will make no difference to the perception by a significant percentage of the population that the border is open and uncontrolled. All of whom are MAGAs and they wont vote for Biden anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2024, 5:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/593 "2024-02-06T05:44:35Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > It’s the centrists/independents that Biden needs to worry about. If they buy into the notion that open borders exist and Biden will allow them to begin or continue, he’s toast. Here’s the crux of the disagreement, I think. We’ve already talked elsewhere about the uncertainty of how accurate the self proclaimed label is already, so I’m not sure about basing the discussion with “moderates and independents care enough about immigration to affect their vote” as a given, especially if the main sources of media that hammer the president on the issue are themselves solidly conservative. ---
**Author:** ![TeroSunbear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terosunbear/32/14748_2.png) [@TeroSunbear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TeroSunbear)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2024, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/594 "2024-02-06T13:28:46Z")
Biden just needs to announce that there will be a border deal in 2025. Tell the world that Trump is history and that this is the best deal the GOP will ever get. Do some arm twisting and get GOP minus the far out dingbat wing on board. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2024, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/595 "2024-02-06T13:33:19Z")
> [@TeroSunbear](#): > > Biden just needs to announce that there will be a border deal in 2025. The problem is, the people who need to hear what Biden is actually doing will never hear about it. They only listen to Fox News and worse, and those outlets simply will not tell the truth about Biden, or his actions. So until we figure out either how to get these people to listen to other outlets, or get these outlets to tell the truth, nothing will matter. When so many people actively live in a bubble of lies, we’re screwed. I could think of several ways to do either of those things, but none of them would actually be good for society in the long run. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2024, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/596 "2024-02-06T14:30:28Z")
> [@TeroSunbear](#): > > Biden just needs to announce that there will be a border deal in 2025. I think you mean “two weeks”. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2024, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/597 "2024-02-06T15:12:09Z")
A Biden Super-PAC is going to focus on Trump’s legal troubles. That seems like a tricky call-it could work, but as they mention it could seem like they’re reminding people about the false “Biden government against Trump” story. Should they hammer him on it? > **[Pro-Biden super PAC set to spend up to $40M amplifying Trump's legal woes](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/biden-super-pac-40-million-ad-campaign-trump-legal-rcna135326)** > > Joe Biden's campaign has stayed away from the issue, concerned it could further the perception the president is using the Justice Department to help his re-election bid. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2024, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/598 "2024-02-06T15:36:23Z")
Better to hammer on the theme that Trump is not running for president; but running for a “get out of jail free” card. Making the case that Trump cares more about himself than the country is an easy one to make reenforced by Trump’s own daily actions and statements. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2024, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/599 "2024-02-06T15:38:31Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > That seems like a tricky call-it could work, but as they mention it could seem like they’re reminding people about the false “Biden government against Trump” story. Should they hammer him on it? Trump will be reminding them of that anyways, so that part is probably a wash. But in the end, we need to get the truth out there, otherwise all they’ll ever have a chance to hear is Trump’s bullshit. If the truth can’t set us free, nothing else will, so might as well give it a try. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2024, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/600 "2024-02-06T16:15:05Z")
Their target audience isn’t people who believe the Biden administration is out to “get Trump.” Those votes are locked in. Their target is reluctant Trump voters who have convinced themselves that he’s not _that_ bad. Those voters need Trump’s weaknesses, schemes, and crimes hammered home daily. Those are voters who can be convinced to change their vote, perhaps to a third party or write-in, or perhaps made unenthused enough to stay home (which also benefits Democrats downticket). And, of course, unenthused Democrats need to see this shit so that they’re convinced **not** to stay home. They need to be reminded of the stakes. Coca Cola doesn’t run ads because it thinks people will suddenly stop preferring Pepsi. They do it to remind existing customers that Coke is their favorite product. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2024, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/601 "2024-02-06T18:26:41Z")
Makes good sense to me. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2024, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/602 "2024-02-07T03:39:25Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > 18 percent. Part of the reason that its so low is that Biden is getting hit by both sides. As well as those who think that his border security is too weak there are also those who who think he’s too harsh. > [@Gyrate](#): > > Why it has taken them so long to do so, I don’t know. Maybe there are still too many idealists in the party, or maybe the GOP has just attracted all the best liars already. Its been tried to some extent, see the problem is the liberal message of let’s all get along doesn’t provoke the fight or flight, short circuit, cortex bypass that Republican message of fear and hatred of the other does. Also Liberals are less faith based in their beliefs and so more likely to figure out that they are being lied to and get annoyed. ---
**Author:** ![FlikTheBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fliktheblue/32/10972_2.png) [@FlikTheBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlikTheBlue)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2024, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/603 "2024-02-07T04:01:11Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > A Biden Super-PAC is going to focus on Trump’s legal troubles. That seems like a tricky call-it could work, but as they mention it could seem like they’re reminding people about the false “Biden government against Trump” story. Should they hammer him on it? > [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > Their target audience isn’t people who believe the Biden administration is out to “get Trump.” Those votes are locked in. > > Their target is reluctant Trump voters who have convinced themselves that he’s not _that_ bad. Those voters need Trump’s weaknesses, schemes, and crimes hammered home daily. > > Those are voters who can be convinced to change their vote, perhaps to a third party or write-in, or perhaps made unenthused enough to stay home (which also benefits Democrats downticket). > > And, of course, unenthused Democrats need to see this shit so that they’re convinced **not** to stay home. They need to be reminded of the stakes. > > Coca Cola doesn’t run ads because it thinks people will suddenly stop preferring Pepsi. They do it to remind existing customers that Coke is their favorite product. I agree with the general idea of attack Trump, but not with this specific focus. IMHO the focus needs to be on what Trump would do if he wins. It’s time Biden and the Democrats stop using the Marquess of Queensberry rules in a streetlight. > [@Horatius](#): > > Troubling news; Dark Brandon almost got loose last month. > > [Joe Biden Refers to Donald Trump as a ‘Sick F\*\*k’ Behind Closed Doors: Report](https://www.thedailybeast.com/joe-biden-refers-to-donald-trump-as-a-sick-fk-behind-closed-doors-report) Or this. What’s troubling is that Dark Brandon didn’t get loose, not that he almost did. Unleash the truth. Tell people that Trump wants to turn the US into a fascist country. Paint him as the evil authoritarian asshole that he is. Focus on that rather than on the minutia of whether or not Trump lied to some big bank back in the day about the exact value of his assets when he was applying for a loan. ---
**Author:** ![MyFootsZZZ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/myfootszzz/32/12580_2.png) [@MyFootsZZZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MyFootsZZZ)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2024, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/604 "2024-02-07T04:11:40Z")
My problem with Biden at the moment is that he seems to be coming off as weak. He wont debate Trump. Seeded ground with Abbot with Texas National Guard. He has the legal authority to do something about it. Even without the ruling, he could Federalize the National Guard, could he not? Nope, back to negotiating with these unreasonable people. He isn’t upfront about what he feels about Netanyahu. Won’t do a Super Bowl interview. ---
**Author:** ![FlikTheBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fliktheblue/32/10972_2.png) [@FlikTheBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlikTheBlue)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2024, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/605 "2024-02-07T04:32:54Z")
Exactly. Biden is letting Trump set the narrative for this election even though he’s the incumbent. That’s not a recipe for a certain loss, but it is giving up a big advantage. I’ve brought up FDR and his fireside chats in another post, and I think this is something Biden needs to bring back. He needs to talk to the American people directly. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2024, 6:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/606 "2024-02-07T06:51:51Z")
> [@MyFootsZZZ](#): > > My problem with Biden at the moment is that he seems to be coming off as weak. He wont debate Trump. You dont debate someone who isnt your opponent. > [@FlikTheBlue](#): > > I’ve brought up FDR and his fireside chats in another post, and I think this is something Biden needs to bring back. He needs to talk to the American people directly. The only people that listen to talk radio are MAGAs. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2024, 7:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/607 "2024-02-07T07:04:01Z")
Why would Biden debate Trump now when this is certain to be scheduled for October, and when Trump is nearly as certain to repeat his debate strategy for the primaries, i. e. refusing to participate? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2024, 7:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/608 "2024-02-07T07:06:07Z")
Exactly. ---
**Author:** ![FlikTheBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fliktheblue/32/10972_2.png) [@FlikTheBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlikTheBlue)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2024, 11:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/609 "2024-02-07T11:52:01Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > The only people that listen to talk radio are MAGAs. It’s not about the format. It’s the direct, straightforward communication to the American people that’s missing. The lack of Democratic leaning voters on AM talk radio isn’t the problem. It’s the lack of Joe Biden on TickTock, Facebook, X and such that’s the problem. Had those things been around in the 1930s and early 1940s I’m sure FDR would have used them. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2024, 11:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/610 "2024-02-07T11:57:11Z")
> [@FlikTheBlue](#): > > IMHO the focus needs to be on what Trump would do if he wins. They should hit that, too. They’re all good lines of attack, and none should be avoided out of fear that they’ll remind credulous hardliners about obvious lies. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2024, 12:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/611 "2024-02-07T12:11:44Z")
Had I billions to throw away on founding a PAC and spending on election stuff, I’d go with working on dividing the GOP into Trump and not-Trump, insinuating that the Party doesn’t really support Trump but is using him to get votes and that they are secretly happy for him to go to prison. Maybe start a #writehimin social media campaign to suggest that the way for MAGA to support him is to write Trump in for EVERY office from dogcatcher on up rather than voting for the actual Republican candidates. It’s exactly the sort of thing the right have been doing, it’s probably true that they’d like him to go away while keeping their hands clean, and the thought that one could split off enough diehard MAGAs to cause assorted GOP losses at all levels amuses me. Alas, I persist in not being independently wealthy. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384.md?page=29) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384.md?page=31)