# President Joe Biden and the runup to the 2024 election **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 15, 2021, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384 "2021-11-15T14:54:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 35
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2024, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/692 "2024-02-11T14:22:37Z")
“Could God make a rock so big that he, himself, couldn’t lift it?” –George Carlin ---
**Author:** ![SuntanLotion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suntanlotion/32/16165_2.png) [@SuntanLotion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuntanLotion)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2024, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/693 "2024-02-11T15:20:20Z")
Didn’t that happen and they didn’t like him saying that? ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2024, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/694 "2024-02-11T15:31:23Z")
Yeah, they boo’ed that part and then carried on like he didn’t say it. They just ignore the inconvenient parts and then almost immediately forget they ever happened at all. I imagine if you asked any of them now, they’d claim he didn’t mean it or never said it in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2024, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/695 "2024-02-12T19:40:56Z")
Biden’s on TikTok now. Will that bring in the youth enthusiasm he needs? > **['Lol hey guys' - Biden joins TikTok despite security concerns](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68275634)** > > The president joins the app to reach younger voters, despite it being blocked on most US government devices. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2024, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/696 "2024-02-12T20:15:49Z")
Didn’t Biden ban Ticktok on government devices? ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2024, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/697 "2024-02-12T20:42:27Z")
Banned government departments from having _Tik Tok_ accounts, yes. I disagree with this, but both Trump and Biden have had issues with TT, as well as I, so who knows? I am of the (likely uninformed) opinion that TT should just be banned from the American marketplace. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2024, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/698 "2024-02-12T20:50:41Z")
He signed the law but it wasn’t an executive order, it went through Congress as usual and was just part of a huge bill. > **[Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2023](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consolidated_Appropriations_Act,_2023)** > > The Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2023 is a $1.7 trillion omnibus spending bill funding the U.S. federal government for the 2023 fiscal year. It includes funding for a range of domestic and foreign policy priorities, including support for Ukraine, defense spending, and aid for regions affected by natural disasters. It also includes provisions related to advanced transportation research, health care, electoral reform, and restrictions on the use of the social media app TikTok. > Congress pass... As mentioned, Trump was the first to try to have it banned in 2020, and in fact Biden reversed this executive order that Trump had enacted: > **[Executive Order 13942](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_13942)** > > Executive Order 13942 is the 178th executive order signed by former U.S. President Donald Trump on August 6, 2020, which directs the Secretary of Commerce to prohibit all transactions between anyone under the jurisdiction the United States and ByteDance, the parent company of social media platform TikTok. Though Biden afterward requested a review of potential security issues that might arise from using foreign-owned applications. It was Republicans who tried to pass the _Averting the National Threat of Internet Surveillance, Oppressive Censorship and Influence, and Algorithmic Learning by the Chinese Communist Party Act_ (ANTI-SOCIAL CCP Act) prior to the later law that Biden signed. The opposition to TikTok has mostly been from the Republican side, though Democrats have also been wary as well, so it’s somewhat bipartisan. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2024, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/699 "2024-02-12T20:52:40Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Banned government departments from having _Tik Tok_ accounts, yes. I disagree with this, but both Trump and Biden have had issues with TT, as well as I, so who knows? I am of the (likely uninformed) opinion that TT should just be banned from the American marketplace. Yes, it should be banned, and of course government groups should not use it. It does gather personal info for Chinese government hackers. It also encourages Americans to do really fucking stupid things. Finally, a vid shared on tiktak is nowhere as good as one for Youtube- smaller and of lesser quality. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2024, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/700 "2024-02-12T22:33:43Z")
OGod, if Paul Krugman is losing hope… 😟 **[GIFT LINK]** > **[Opinion | Why I Am Now Deeply Worried for America](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/12/opinion/biden-trump-america.html?unlocked_article_code=1.U00.WCoF.0cBHG2dLsjq6&smid=url-sh)** > > The frenzy over President Biden’s age is a very bad sign. > … > Most important is that Biden has been a remarkably effective president. Trump spent four years claiming that a major infrastructure initiative was just around the corner, to the point that “It’s infrastructure week!” became a running joke; Biden actually [got legislation passed](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/15/us/politics/biden-signs-infrastructure-bill.html). Trump promised to revive American manufacturing, but didn’t. Biden’s [technology](https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2022/08/09/fact-sheet-chips-and-science-act-will-lower-costs-create-jobs-strengthen-supply-chains-and-counter-china/) and [climate](https://www.epa.gov/green-power-markets/summary-inflation-reduction-act-provisions-related-renewable-energy) policies — the latter passed against heavy odds — have produced a [surge](https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/TLMFGCONS) in manufacturing investment. His [enhancement](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/25/opinion/trump-biden-obamacare.html) of Obamacare has brought health insurance coverage to [millions](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/25/us/politics/obamacare-open-enrollment.html). > > If you ask me, these achievements say a lot more about Biden’s capacity than his occasional verbal slips. > > And what about his opponent, who is only four years younger? Maybe some people are impressed by the fact that Trump talks loud and mean. But what about what he’s actually saying in his speeches? They’re frequently rambling word salads, full of bizarre claims like his [assertion](https://newrepublic.com/post/178937/trump-democrats-rename-pennylvania-rambling) on Friday that if he loses in November, “they’re going to change the name of Pennsylvania.” > > … > > … Trump declared that he wouldn’t intervene to help “[delinquent](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/11/us/politics/trump-nato.html)” NATO members if Russia were to attack them, even suggesting that he might _encourage_ such an attack. He seems to regard NATO as nothing more than a protection racket and after all this time still has no idea how the alliance works. > > … > > As I said, until just the other day I was feeling somewhat optimistic. But now I’m deeply troubled about our nation’s future. Singing to the choir, I know. I value Krugman’s analyses, and if he’s **this** worried, I’m really worried. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2024, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/701 "2024-02-12T23:49:43Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > the _Averting the National Threat of Internet Surveillance, Oppressive Censorship and Influence, and Algorithmic Learning by the Chinese Communist Party Act_ (ANTI-SOCIAL CCP Act) I just want to offer a small moment of respect for whatever anonymous hero crafted that acronym. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2024, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/702 "2024-02-13T01:01:54Z")
This article goes over a way that Biden could step aside at the convention. I think it’s a terrible idea, but it is one way to get a younger candidate in to soothe people’s anxieties. > **[Democrats Might Need a Plan B. Here’s What It Looks Like.](https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/02/12/joe-biden-democrat-plan-b-nominee-00140790)** > > The political and procedural steps for how to pick a new presidential nominee. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2024, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/703 "2024-02-13T01:03:22Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > This article goes over a way that Biden could step aside at the convention. I think it’s a terrible idea, but it is one way to get a younger candidate in to soothe people’s anxieties. Yes, because trump is like 3-4 years younger. This will guarantee a trump victory. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2024, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/704 "2024-02-13T01:06:53Z")
There AREN’T any younger candidates. Besides, being younger isn’t in itself a qualification for President. (Not saying that _you’re_ saying it is.) ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2024, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/705 "2024-02-13T01:24:19Z")
In 2028 we will have Harris-59- and Newsom- 56. Maybe Stacey Abrams-50. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2024, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/706 "2024-02-13T03:43:09Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Besides, being younger isn’t in itself a qualification for President. (Not saying that _you’re_ saying it is.) What you have to do to be well-qualified makes a bigger target for opposition research. Exhibit: Hillary. Biden is by far the best-qualified person to be President due to having done the job. (Trump also? He watched TV for hours when he should have been working.) Secretaries of state are next best qualified but always have had some big historic failures. Governors are a good balance between being a little qualified and having a smaller oppo research exposure. Someone may say oppo research doesn’t matter because Trump can just make things up. He will. But dirt based on a smidgen of truth is more damaging than completely made-up dirt. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2024, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/707 "2024-02-13T04:27:12Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > Biden is by far the best-qualified person to be President due to having done the job. More than that, he is best qualified because of his intimate and functional knowledge of how Congress works. And how to work with Congress. > [@PhillyGuy](#): > > Secretaries of state…Governors… Nope, not so much. The President **MUST** be able to work with Congress (both chambers). Even a hostile, foot-dragging Congress. This is _sine qua non_ of the Presidency. The only other person who could be anywhere near as effective as Biden in this is Nancy Pelosi, and she doesn’t at top be President. There is no one else right now. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2024, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/708 "2024-02-13T14:58:11Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > The only other person who could be anywhere near as effective as Biden in this is Nancy Pelosi, and she doesn’t at top be President. Could you imagine if Biden stepped down, stating that it’s up to a new and younger generation to take over, and then 83-year-old Nancy Pelosi was nominated? 😆 ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2024, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/709 "2024-02-13T15:28:28Z")
Hehe, that would be _sweet_! ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2024, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/710 "2024-02-13T20:50:12Z")
And of course the MAGAs are complaining about Taylor swift and the fact that the camera stayed on her rather than the game. Yep- for something short of a minute. 🙄 > **[Taylor Swift’s screen time for Super Bowl has been revealed after furious...](https://www.ladbible.com/entertainment/celebrity/celebrity-news/taylor-swift-screen-time-super-bowl-610996-20240213)** > > Did you think Taylor Swift had too much screen time at the Super Bowl? Turns out your complaint may have been misplaced. T_aylor Swift’s screen time for Super Bowl has been revealed after furious viewers made same complaint_ - Her actual screen time was nothing like what critics were saying\* ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2024, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/711 "2024-02-13T22:02:11Z")
Ok, what am I missing? Why is this in the Joe Biden thread? (I can be dense…) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384.md?page=34) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384.md?page=36)