# President Joe Biden and the runup to the 2024 election **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 15, 2021, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384 "2021-11-15T14:54:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 47
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2024, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/932 "2024-03-04T22:59:22Z")
An article that may strike a chord with some here: > **[Joe Biden’s Superfans Think the Rest of America Has Lost Its Mind](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/04/us/politics/biden-voters-democrats.html)** > > Bewildered by tepid enthusiasm for a president they see as transformative, these Democrats occupy a lonely place in U.S. politics: “I feel like I’m the only one.” ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2024, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/933 "2024-03-04T23:02:42Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > > > The Trump team is full of malevolent, incompetent brown-nosers. > > To say nothing of grifters skimming every possible dime from the campaign donations. Good point. Trump campaign money (and likely GOP campaign money in general) will be prioritized firstly to personally help Trump (i.e. pay his legal bills, give money to various Trump enterprises and family/associates), and secondly to help elect Trump. And the first part will probably take the lion’s share. ---
**Author:** ![Pazu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pazu/32/15522_2.png) [@Pazu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pazu)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2024, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/934 "2024-03-04T23:35:04Z")
While not dispositive, [this political analyst](https://statuskuo.substack.com/p/status-report-about-that-poll) expresses some reasonable skepticism regarding some of the NYT/Siena poll’s findings. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2024, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/935 "2024-03-04T23:41:30Z")
This line from your article rings true to me. > Trump has lost support from Republicans and Biden has lost support from Democrats, and there are eight months to go for each side to try and win them back and to turn out their respective bases. That seems to meet the eyeball test to me. I think that’s what this election will come down to, assuming no major developments between now and election day. (Which is a huge assumption, I admit.) ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2024, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/936 "2024-03-04T23:47:37Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > That poll shows Biden only has support of 87% of his 2020 voters and 10% of them are planning to vote for Trump. Sorry, as I’ve said elsewhere, I just don’t believe that 10%. At best, it _might_ be indicative of efforts needed in specific regions or swing states. But I do not believe this reflects any sort of larger reality, nationally or otherwise. That does lead me to wonder about the rest of it. I just don’t believe in Trump’s magical immunity from anything and everything. > [@Velocity](#): > > An article that may strike a chord with some here And even there, the use of “superfan” in the headline strikes me as deliberately dismissive and/or belittling. ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/937 "2024-03-05T00:37:20Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > And even there, the use of “superfan” in the headline strikes me as deliberately dismissive and/or belittling Is it my imagination, or has the _New York Times_ been carrying A LOT of water for Biden’s opponent? Did anything of note happen with their ownership, editorial board, or anything like that? ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/938 "2024-03-05T01:09:31Z")
> [@bordelond](#): > > Is it my imagination, or has the _New York Times_ been carrying A LOT of water for Biden’s opponent? IMHO, imagination. Media content analysis requires rigorous statistical methods. Absent that, objectivity is impossible. Problem is, we remember the articles we disagree with more than those we like. Does there get to a point where you don’t need a quantitative methods PhD to realize a media outlet is pro-Republican or pro-Democratic? On the editorial page, yes. If cycle after cycle, they endorse the Republican, that’s a Republican paper. But straight news coverage is impossible to fairly categorize without running numbers. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/939 "2024-03-05T01:28:26Z")
Another thing to remember about polls, is that as much as they are about responding about who you are actually going to vote for, they are also seen as a way to virtue signal and send a message. Many liberal voters are upset about the way that Biden is handling the Gaza conflict. They may be upset enough that they will say to a pollster that they are going to vote for Trump next year, since they hope that this will spur Biden change his policy, or convince the Democrats to run somebody else. However once it becomes clear that, no Biden and Trump are the only games in town, and while Biden might not be pushing back against Netanyahu as much as they would like, Trump would offer whole hearted support for palestinian extermination. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/940 "2024-03-05T01:36:49Z")
I can’t speak to your second question but as to the first one I would agree the NYT has seemed disturbingly focused on President Biden’s age more and more. The recent Ezra Klein piece in particular was disappointing. I can’t farhom why they would be shilling for DJT but it seems like that is what they are doing more and more. I would be shocked if they were manipulating this poll but they are definitely harping on all the negative aspects of it. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/941 "2024-03-05T02:09:49Z")
I just noticed that I didn’t finish my final sentence > [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > However once it becomes clear that, no Biden and Trump are the only games in town, and while Biden might not be pushing back against Netanyahu as much as they would like, Trump would offer whole hearted support for palestinian extermination. Should be: However once it becomes clear that, no, Biden and Trump are the only games in town, and while Biden might not be pushing back against Netanyahu as much as they would like, Trump would offer whole-hearted support for palestinian extermination, they will virtue signal (and hopefully vote for) Biden. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/942 "2024-03-05T03:08:09Z")
I hope you are correct but in my experience most younger progressive voters believe Israel is always evil and Palestinians are always innocent victims. I think it more likely those who have this worldview just won’t turnout. I don’t really see them going to DJT. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/943 "2024-03-05T03:27:49Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > . I can’t farhom why they would be shilling for DJT but it seems like that is what they are doing more and more. They think a Trump presidency will make more money, and in today’s “a corporation’s only obligation is to the shareholders” business world, making the line go up trumps truth and good journalism. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/944 "2024-03-05T04:57:35Z")
Nah, I’m not buying it quite yet. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/945 "2024-03-05T06:06:12Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > An article that may strike a chord with some here: (Headline) > Joe Biden’s Superfans Think the Rest of America Has Lost Its Mind I’m no superfan of Biden but when it’s a matter of 81 years vs. 91 indictments the choice is clear and, yeah, anyone who can’t see that _has_ lost their mind. NYT can go pound sand. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 12:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/946 "2024-03-05T12:15:34Z")
Biden, Clinton, and Obama are all set to meet at a fundraiser in New York City. That’s going to be a security and logistical nightmare I wouldn’t wish on (almost) anyone. > **[$100K photos, Colbert and a fashion doyenne: Details of the Biden fundraiser...](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/joe-biden-barack-obama-bill-clinton-fundraiser-details-rcna141745)** > > A March 28 first-of-its-kind fundraiser featuring Presidents Joe Biden, Barack Obama and Bill Clinton is expected to raise more than $10 million and draw at least 3,000 people. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/947 "2024-03-05T16:13:44Z")
Sure $100,000 will get you a photo with three former and current presidents, but do you get a pair of [gold sneakers](https://apnews.com/article/trump-sneakers-sneaker-con-philadelphia-4de093eda6f8d1c68baf8fe8095f777b/)? ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/948 "2024-03-05T16:37:23Z")
Oh, and just because there was such a kerfuffle over it at Super Bowl time-Taylor Swift is encouraging her fans to vote, but hasn’t mentioned Biden. Yet. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/949 "2024-03-05T16:40:15Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > That’s going to be a security and logistical nightmare I wouldn’t wish on (almost) anyone. But also the premise for a great comedy film. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/950 "2024-03-05T16:51:00Z")
A remake of _My Fellow Americans_? I like it. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/951 "2024-03-05T18:13:45Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > But also the premise for a great comedy film. Obama and Clinton have an on-going argument about who is actually the Secret President who is controlling Biden. Hillary is always in the background, rolling her eyes at the both of them. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384.md?page=46) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384.md?page=48)