# President Joe Biden and the runup to the 2024 election **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 15, 2021, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384 "2021-11-15T14:54:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 60
**Author:** ![FlikTheBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fliktheblue/32/10972_2.png) [@FlikTheBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlikTheBlue)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2024, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/1192 "2024-04-04T14:09:09Z")
> [@flurb](#): > > One seat may not seem like much, but if Biden were to take the reliably blue states plus the “blue wall” (WI, PA, MI), that would only get him to 269 EVs – an electoral vote tie. Previously, that would have been an outright win but some of those states lost EVs due to reapportionment. An EV tie goes to the House, where Republicans would almost certainly have the numbers to elect Trump. I hadn’t run the map, and didn’t realize that the “blue wall” plus the other typically blue states was no longer enough to reach 270. With Michigan’s blue status being less certain, that means Georgia and Arizona (and maybe North Carolina?) are now critically important, not just potential icing on the cake. It’s nice to know, but does make me more nervous about Biden’s chances. ETA: I just ran the map. Maybe the map you were using didn’t include Nevada as a “reliably blue” state? WI, PA, MI, plus NV and the other blue states get’s Biden to 276 (assuming 1 Biden EV in NE and 1 Trump EV in Maine, or an all blue Maine and all red Nebraska). Biden even wins if he gets AZ, WI, PA, and NV but loses MI and GA. Things aren’t quite as bleak as your post made me think 😅. ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2024, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/1193 "2024-04-04T16:27:32Z")
Didn’t mean to cause any panic! There are any number of combinations that could make the Nebraska 2nd irrelevant. I was just pointing out how such a seemingly minor change could have an outsized impact. And yes, I do not consider NV “reliably blue” particularly after the 2022 Senate squeaker and the Gov flip to the Rs. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2024, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/1194 "2024-04-04T20:11:06Z")
Two bits of good news for the President… In Nebraska: [https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/4574070-nebraska-lawmakers-overwhelmingly-reject-trump-backed-winner-take-all-electoral-system/](https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/4574070-nebraska-lawmakers-overwhelmingly-reject-trump-backed-winner-take-all-electoral-system/) And in Penna.: [https://thehill.com/elections/4575110-biden-up-pennsylvania-survey/](https://thehill.com/elections/4575110-biden-up-pennsylvania-survey/) ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2024, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/1195 "2024-04-13T12:14:34Z")
> **[Biden Shrinks Trump’s Edge in Latest Times/Siena Poll](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/13/us/politics/trump-biden-times-siena-poll.html?ugrp=c&unlocked_article_code=1.kE0.IayZ.RavkAADHUoOd&smid=url-share)** > > The president’s popularity has ticked up slightly, though voters still view Donald J. Trump more favorably and have dour views of the economy. (gift link) ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2024, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/1196 "2024-04-15T02:21:03Z")
This chart also goes with that Siena poll. Makes me nuts. Not sure if this is a gift link. [![](https://static01.nyt.com/images/2024/04/12/multimedia/2024-04-10-april-polls-trump_amnesia/2024-04-10-april-polls-trump_amnesia-threeByTwoMediumAt2X-v16.jpg?format=pjpg&quality=75&auto=webp&disable=upscale) ](https://static01.nyt.com/images/2024/04/12/multimedia/2024-04-10-april-polls-trump_amnesia/2024-04-10-april-polls-trump_amnesia-threeByTwoMediumAt2X-v16.jpg?format=pjpg&quality=75&auto=webp&disable=upscale) ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2024, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/1197 "2024-04-15T02:34:27Z")
I’m not usually an optimist, but I predict Biden will get a little bump from being part of last night’s win over Iran. P.S. If the word “win” above sounds frivolous, I am trying to channel how median voters may look at things. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2024, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/1198 "2024-04-15T02:48:42Z")
What makes you nuts: the implied positivity for Trump, or the ridiculously useless vagueness of “good / bad for America” combined with the stupidity of the question and the false correlation-causation it implies? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2024, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/1199 "2024-04-15T02:51:06Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > This chart also goes with that Siena poll. Makes me nuts. Not sure if this is a gift link. Under trump the bodies were piling up so fast with covid deaths they had to store them in refrigerator trucks. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2024, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/1200 "2024-04-15T03:11:47Z")
The positivity for trump and the negativity for Biden. ---
**Author:** ![FlikTheBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fliktheblue/32/10972_2.png) [@FlikTheBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlikTheBlue)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2024, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/1201 "2024-04-15T14:01:33Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > This chart also goes with that Siena poll. Makes me nuts. Not sure if this is a gift link. I agree. The irony is that those voters are correct. They just lack the insight into why things were better under Trump than they are now. IMHO it’s because it takes time for a president’s actions to affect the country as a whole. The reason they were better under Trump is we were still enjoying the effects of Obama’s hard work. The reason they aren’t as good under Biden is because we’re just now starting to feel the effects of everything Trump messed up. Add to that the fact that Trump got worse as he went along, culminating in 1/6, and here we are. How can Democrats get voters to understand that? I have no idea. ETA. All that plus the fact that Trump is the first POTUS since Grover Cleveland to not actually retire. He’s still actively screwing things up and people are blaming those things on Biden. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2024, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/1202 "2024-04-15T14:11:39Z")
> [@FlikTheBlue](#): > > How can Democrats get voters to understand that? I have no idea. There’s a significant fraction of the voters who don’t understand how progressive taxation works. And that’s a relatively straight-forward issue compared to the cumulative effects of a president’s policies on the country. So there’s really no way you’ll ever get these people to understand these complexities. This is why people use slogans instead. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2024, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/1203 "2024-04-15T14:57:00Z")
> [@FlikTheBlue](#): > > The reason they were better under Trump is we were still enjoying the effects of Obama’s hard work. The reason they aren’t as good under Biden is because we’re just now starting to feel the effects of everything Trump messed up. EGG-ZACKLY!! Get a clue, Sheeple! > [@FlikTheBlue](#): > > All that plus the fact that Trump is the first POTUS since Grover Cleveland to not actually retire. He’s still actively screwing things up and people are blaming those things on Biden. This, too. _“My dog has fleas-- it’s Biden’s fault!”_ ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2024, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/1204 "2024-04-15T15:04:25Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > > [@FlikTheBlue](#): > > > > ple are blaming those things on Biden. > > This, too. _“My dog has fleas-- it’s Biden’s fault!”_ > [@Horatius](#): > > This is why people use slogans instead. Thanks, Obama! Remember how effective that was? Lots. ---
**Author:** ![fedman1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e495f1/32.png) [@fedman1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fedman1)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2024, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/1205 "2024-04-15T15:10:22Z")
Hate to say this, but Trump would stomp Biden in debate–Biden is soft poodle going against pit bull. remember perception is everything regardless of facts. And MAGAs are a dedicated vote compared to all-or-nothing DEMs who may sit out ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2024, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/1206 "2024-04-15T15:31:50Z")
> [@fedman1](#): > > Hate to say this, but Trump would stomp Biden in debate–Biden is soft poodle going against pit bull. He really isn’t. It would be more “Biden is a border collie, while Trump is a rabid labrador”. Biden is capable of control and direction; Trump would only “win” in the sense of being uncontrollable, chaotic and likely to cause random damage. To use a different analogy, Trump is the ultimate grandmaster of pigeon chess. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2024, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/1207 "2024-04-15T15:47:35Z")
If ever there were something to prove the unreliability of witness memory, this would be it. That being said, though - I think part of the reason may be that 3/4 of Trump’s years were Covid-free. While 4/4 out of Biden’s years had Covid. The poll wasn’t asking Americans which president was better, it was asking if the years of 2017-2020 were better off for America than 2021-2024. Doesn’t explain the thousand other reasons why Biden is better than Trump, but I think that may at least be one factor. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2024, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/1208 "2024-04-15T15:56:31Z")
They debated in '20, and Trump looked like a crazed toddler while Biden was a normal person. I seriously doubt Trump will debate him again after that debacle. ---
**Author:** ![fedman1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e495f1/32.png) [@fedman1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fedman1)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2024, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/1209 "2024-04-15T16:05:43Z")
I guess I;m seeing people responding more to emotion than reason/calm, especially if it meets their world-view ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2024, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/1210 "2024-04-15T16:09:18Z")
I’m sure Trump’s fans were happy with his performance; I don’t see any reason to believe those who don’t already like him enjoy his insane, confused ramblings. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2024, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/1211 "2024-04-15T16:26:57Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > They debated in '20, and Trump looked like a crazed toddler while Biden was a normal person. “Would you just shut up, man” encapsulated the feelings of everyone who was sick of Trump’s shit. I’m sure that line won Biden more than a few votes. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384.md?page=59) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384.md?page=61)