# President Joe Biden and the runup to the 2024 election **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 15, 2021, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384 "2021-11-15T14:54:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 69
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2024, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/1373 "2024-05-15T21:05:50Z")
> [@bordelond](#): > > 1. The GOP is disorganized and near bankrupt in key states Apparently all the RNC funds will go to trumps legal bills. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2024, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/1374 "2024-05-15T21:10:26Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Not being able to ramble on after the time is done, or interrupt Biden, would drive Trump absolutely bugshit He would ‘interrupt’ Biden and ‘ramble’ and talk over him even if his mic. is muted. Everyone would be able to hear an uninterrupted Biden. When it’s Trump’s turn. he won’t address any of Biden’s challenges because he wasn’t listening. When it’s Biden’s turn again, Biden can point out that Trump was speaking gibberish and didn’t answer the issue. ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2024, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/1375 "2024-05-15T21:25:26Z")
**This got put together quickly:** [![](https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F76983326-bee4-4491-bd45-31e32a22a518_897x693.png) ](https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F76983326-bee4-4491-bd45-31e32a22a518_897x693.png) ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2024, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/1376 "2024-05-16T02:46:30Z")
Nate Silver finds considerable significance in Biden proposing two early debates (rather the three later ones tentatively scheduled by the Commission on Presidential Debates). Democrats may like how this piece begins, but dislike it as they read more: [What Biden’s debate gambit reveals: The White House gets an A+ on tactics](https://www.natesilver.net/p/what-bidens-debate-gambit-reveals) ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2024, 7:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/1377 "2024-05-16T07:58:55Z")
Nate Silver is great with numbers but a terrible pundit. This is particularly dumb punditry. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2024, 8:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/1378 "2024-05-16T08:10:56Z")
If this happens, it’ll be the earliest presidential debate in my memory. I’ve always thought the debates were too late in the season myself. Anyone older than me know when the last time was that the two nominees debated this early? ---
**Author:** ![zimaane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a3d4f5/32.png) [@zimaane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zimaane)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2024, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/1379 "2024-05-16T13:19:24Z")
I don’t think that there has ever been a debate before the conventions, so the June debate will be the earliest ever. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2024, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/1380 "2024-05-16T13:41:12Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > He would ‘interrupt’ Biden and ‘ramble’ and talk over him even if his mic. is muted. Everyone would be able to hear an uninterrupted Biden. When it’s Trump’s turn. he won’t address any of Biden’s challenges because he wasn’t listening. If Trump actually does the debates, I’m sorta wondering if he’ll try a gotcha stunt like whipping out the early dementia cognitive test that he thinks shows how smart he is and challenging Biden to take it on the stage. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2024, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/1381 "2024-05-16T14:07:00Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > If Trump actually does the debates, Trump almost immediately started laying the ground work to chicken out of the debate: > **[Pathetic Trump Already Trying to Weasel Out of Debating Biden](https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-already-trying-weasel-way-205314213.html)** > > After agreeing to two debates with Biden, Donald Trump seems to be trying to set up an excuse to escape the whole thing. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2024, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/1382 "2024-05-16T16:05:27Z")
> [@zimaane](#): > > I don’t think that there has ever been a debate before the conventions, so the June debate will be the earliest ever. And I do not think there ever was a debate season where the final debate was a full eight weeks before election day. Uncertain voters vote on election day, or not much before. I’m mystified at the logic here. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2024, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/1383 "2024-05-16T16:18:33Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > Uncertain voters vote on election day, or not much before. I’m mystified at the logic here. I saw one pundit say that in some states, mail-in voting may start before the traditionally scheduled debates. I haven’t bothered to verify whether that’s true, but if that’s the case the debate performances would be on record before any votes are cast. ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2024, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/1384 "2024-05-16T17:05:20Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > Uncertain voters vote on election day, or not much before. If someone is disengaged and undecided for that long … they’re not gettable by any debates at any time. Really don’t think that cohort would follow the debates at all. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2024, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/1385 "2024-05-16T17:17:13Z")
I don’t buy or understand the idea either that Biden should want fewer debates. With each debate, his maturity is put on camera against Trump’s immaturity in front of an audience of a hundred million viewers. Unless Biden is extremely fatigued or in cognitive/physical decline, he should want as many debates as possible. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2024, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/1386 "2024-05-16T17:44:12Z")
I agree. Maybe he’s taking the Brer Rabbit approach: “Please, Donny, just two debates!”, so Donny will insist on more, which Biden will “reluctantly” agree to. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2024, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/1387 "2024-05-16T17:52:56Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > With each debate, his maturity is put on camera against Trump’s immaturity in front of an audience of a hundred million viewers. Except, with every debate, he _personally_ has to put up with Trump’s shit. It’s bad enough seeing it on TV while getting drunk. Imagine what it’s like being Biden, stuck in there, completely sober, with no mute button or channel surfing. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2024, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/1388 "2024-05-16T17:59:57Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > Except, with every debate, he _personally_ has to put up with Trump’s shit. Yeah, it’s got to be enormously frustrating to “debate” someone who does nothing but boast and lie and knowing that absolutely nothing you say will a) slow him down or make him concede a point or b) convince people that he’s doing nothing but boasting and lying. In a journal debate, one ultimately grounded in facts, you score points by catching your opponent in inconsistencies or falsehoods and hammer into them. With Trump, everything is a lie and he doesn’t care if you point it out. Or you find ways to crank up the pathos, like when Biden wrecked Sarah Palin in the VP debate. But that won’t slow him down either. And his core audience eats it up. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2024, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/1389 "2024-05-16T18:01:40Z")
> [@JKellyMap](#): > > Of course, one thing\* a Democratic president _can_ do is nominate a pro-choice-leaning Supreme Court justice. Obviously the timing on this is unpredictable Well, one of the two major parties believes the President has total immunity in everything he does, from birth, through his administration, to death. So under that aegis Biden _could_ create some vacancies in SCOTUS and fill them even, per precedent set in 2020, in the final weeks of the campaign. Do I sound bitter? Fuckin’ A I do. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2024, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/1390 "2024-05-16T18:04:55Z")
Apologies if this has already been shared. I’m sure the GOP won’t make this a big deal at all. > **[Biden moves to block release of audio of his classified documents interview...](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/biden-asserts-executive-privilege-robert-hurs-classified-documents-pro-rcna152550)** > > The White House told Congress that the president would be asserting executive privilege over audio recordings after a recommendation from Attorney General Merrick Garland. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2024, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/1391 "2024-05-16T18:08:39Z")
They spin it either way. They can selectively release bits and pieces of the interview (almost certainly the bits when he gets emotional about his son) to make him look weak and unsure. Or they don’t get the audio and say there’s something nefarious going on. Unless they actually have a legitimate reason they want it, blocking the release is probably the best of a bunch of not good options. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2024, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/1392 "2024-05-16T18:12:13Z")
Sudden thought: With the early debates, whoever it is that adds accordion sounds to Trump’s hand gestures would have ample time to post those before the election. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384.md?page=68) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384.md?page=70)