# President Joe Biden and the runup to the 2024 election **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 15, 2021, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384 "2021-11-15T14:54:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2023, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/121 "2023-07-20T21:01:16Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > If Biden wins but can’t finish his second term, that’s a problem, but not as big a problem IMHO as a Republican in the White House. The problem is your opinion doesn’t matter. The opinion of anyone who will vote D or R regardless of what name comes before the letter doesn’t matter. What matters is the opinion of those who could go either way or more likely just stay home if they don’t think either are fit to be president. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2023, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/122 "2023-07-20T21:31:47Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > But, Joe the President done fell off a bicycle. You never hearda Individual-ONE doing a thing like that. If Joe walked across the river, Fox news who scream- “Biden cant swim!” > [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > She said it like it’s a _bad_ thing. To her, those liberal commie ideas are bad things. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2023, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/123 "2023-07-20T21:38:40Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > > [@Akaj](#): > > > > If Biden wins but can’t finish his second term, that’s a problem, but not as big a problem IMHO as a Republican in the White House. > > The problem is your opinion doesn’t matter. The opinion of anyone who will vote D or R regardless of what name comes before the letter doesn’t matter. What matters is the opinion of those who could go either way or more likely just stay home if they don’t think either are fit to be president. Yes, I was expressing my opinion about Biden’s fitness to serve a second term, in response to the opinion you stated earlier. And neither of our opinions matter beyond the one vote we’re legally allowed to cast. Glad we got that settled. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2023, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/124 "2023-07-20T21:40:50Z")
Pretty sad that in a nation of 320 million people - maybe 100,000 of which would make fine presidents - that we appear to be headed again towards a battle of an octogenarian and a fascist narcissist as our only two viable options. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2023, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/125 "2023-07-20T21:48:53Z")
Not exactly unprecedented in American politics, sadly. A la [“vote for the crook, it’s important.”](https://www.newstribune.com/news/2021/jul/18/In-viral-bumper-sticker-man-summed-up-1991-governo/) The U.S. political scene isn’t exactly a meritocracy. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2023, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/126 "2023-07-20T21:50:16Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > > [@Loach](#): > > > > > [@Akaj](#): > > > > > > If Biden wins but can’t finish his second term, that’s a problem, but not as big a problem IMHO as a Republican in the White House. > > > > The problem is your opinion doesn’t matter. The opinion of anyone who will vote D or R regardless of what name comes before the letter doesn’t matter. What matters is the opinion of those who could go either way or more likely just stay home if they don’t think either are fit to be president. > > Yes, I was expressing my opinion about Biden’s fitness to serve a second term, in response to the opinion you stated earlier. And neither of our opinions matter beyond the one vote we’re legally allowed to cast. > > Glad we got that settled. You would vote for a sack of potatoes if it was a democrat. I would vote for the same sack if it was running against Trump. We will not be in the group that makes the difference. It’s still important that we vote. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2023, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/127 "2023-07-20T21:53:49Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > You would vote for a sack of potatoes if it was a democrat. Russet, redskin or Yukon Gold? I’m a thoughtful voter. I believe I share your hope that, if it’s Biden vs. Trump, a few thousand more purple state voters consider the former less unfit than the latter. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2023, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/128 "2023-07-20T22:17:33Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > Russet, redskin or Yukon Gold? I’m a thoughtful voter. Russets or Yukon Golds over Trump? In a second. Redskins? sigh…that’s a tougher one. I’d have to hesitate for a second or two while I thought it over. On the one hand, the potential end of Democracy as we know it. On the other, inferior waxy potatoes. I’m sure in the end I’d have to vote redskins - they’re very clearly the lesser of evils. Now David Duke vs. Trump - that would be a brain-twister. But I suppose if we had fallen that far, we’d clearly already be in hell. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2023, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/129 "2023-07-20T23:30:04Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > what about Biden’s performance the last 2.5 years has you thinking he’s unfit to be president? I personally feel that Joe has done a yeoman’s job, and has done a few small things that surprised me, but my view of his fitness rests not on his general capabilities but on his adaptability. We are plunging slowly into a crisis of epic proportions, and I am skeptical that there is _anyone_ who can navigate us through it. A “steady as she goes” yeoman is not the best choice for a pilot in a storm. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2023, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/130 "2023-07-21T14:11:47Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#): > > Not exactly unprecedented in American politics, sadly. A la [“vote for the crook, it’s important.”](https://www.newstribune.com/news/2021/jul/18/In-viral-bumper-sticker-man-summed-up-1991-governo/) The U.S. political scene isn’t exactly a meritocracy. I always liked the slogan “Better a lizard than a wizard” from that Louisiana governor’s race. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2023, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/131 "2023-07-22T21:05:59Z")
[**“GOP’s crumbling case against Biden on crime, immigration and inflation”**](https://www.axios.com/2023/07/22/biden-us-immigration-inflation-crime) > Republicans are hammering “[Joe Biden’s](https://www.axios.com/politics-policy/joe-biden) America” as a land of rising violent crime, surging immigration and out of control inflation, but there’s just one problem: the numbers are starting to move in the opposite direction. > > **The big picture:** With [2024 around the corner,](https://www.axios.com/politics-policy/us-presidential-house-senate-elections) the U.S. is making measurable progress in the areas where Biden has been most vulnerable to GOP attacks. > > **Violent crime surged** in U.S. cities during the pandemic and ranked as a [top concern](https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2022/10/31/violent-crime-is-a-key-midterm-voting-issue-but-what-does-the-data-say/) for voters in the 2022 midterms. > > … > > - Homicides were down 9% in the first half of this year over the same period last year, according to a [study](https://counciloncj.org/mid-year-2023-crime-trends/) of 37 major cities from the Council on Criminal Justice. > > … > > **Meanwhile, illegal border crossings** dropped to the lowest level in over two years in June, the first full month under Biden’s new, restrictive asylum rule, which makes it much harder to attain asylum. > > … > > **Arguably the biggest factor** driving voter discontent has been [inflation](https://www.axios.com/2023/07/14/us-dollar-inflation), which made consumers feel lousy about the Biden economy, despite otherwise favorable economic and job market conditions. > > - Now, [as inflation retreats](https://www.axios.com/2023/06/13/inflation-consumer-price-index-may), there are signs of a shift. > - Consumer sentiment, as measured by a long-running [survey](http://www.sca.isr.umich.edu/) conducted by the University of Michigan, is the highest in two years — a jump “largely attributed to the continued slowdown inflation along with stability in labor markets.” > … Well, dang! At least now they have SNEAKERGATE!! ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2023, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/132 "2023-07-23T21:25:25Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Pretty sad that in a nation of 320 million people - maybe 100,000 of which would make fine presidents - that we appear to be headed again towards a battle of an octogenarian and a fascist narcissist as our only two viable options. Why the ageism? I think its GREAT that now, with the advances in healthcare and such we can have a healthy 80 yo in the Oval Office. Oh, and trump is a Right Wing Populist, not quite a fascist. But close. > [@eschereal](#): > > I personally feel that Joe has done a yeoman’s job, and has done a few small things that surprised me, but my view of his fitness rests not on his general capabilities but on his adaptability. He was a _return to sanity._ Now if the Dems can keep the Senate and keep Joe in 2024, the crisis may be over. Not the problems, just that those are no longer a _crisis._ ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2023, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/133 "2023-07-23T22:41:22Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > He was a _return to sanity._ Well, the national sanity level still needs some, uh, sanitation. A highly visible minority continue to precipitate insanity very loudly. It might be in part attention-seeking, as the crazies have learned that the more ridiculous they blort, the more air they get. The paranoiac in me thinks there sre parties with influence (money) who benefit from chaos and instability, so they encourage and facilitate it. I grew up in the '60s and '70s, and we are megaparsecs away from having returned to even that level of sanity. ---
**Author:** ![Eric1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3bc359/32.png) [@Eric1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eric1)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2023, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/134 "2023-07-23T23:38:32Z")
Eschereal are you writing about both sides, left and right? I could reasonably see both. ---
**Author:** ![Eric1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3bc359/32.png) [@Eric1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eric1)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2023, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/135 "2023-07-23T23:51:47Z")
I think the easiest way I’ve seen it is when I’ve taken part in political activity or contributed a little on either side for a few occasions. It’s the easiest way for me to see where others are coming from. But it sounded like you’re writing about media-i don’t know much about media. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2023, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/136 "2023-07-24T01:14:17Z")
> [@Eric1](#): > > Eschereal are you writing about both sides, left and right? I could reasonably see both. The is some uusual behavior on the “Left”, but mostly not the same level of insanity that seems to be coming from the RWers. At my age, the “Overton Window” places the apparent center somewhere around what I would have called a Goldwater Republican (not that I am quite old enough for that term to resonate). But that is based on public dialog – the reality in broader America is more elusive than sidesism. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2023, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/137 "2023-07-24T13:59:55Z")
Obviously 'WAAAAAAAY too soon to read too much into these numbers, but they are encouraging. > **[Opinion | The tell-tale sign Biden is likely to secure a second term — MSNBC](https://apple.news/A_LRF3VokQUu59bCIhDH7fg)** > > Reporters keep writing about "silly season," but the GOP is having a bad year where it counts. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2023, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/138 "2023-07-24T14:09:11Z")
> [@](#): > > The latest incarnation comes courtesy of No Labels, a group of centrists who have convinced themselves that a third-party bid could upend the two-party system and seriously compete in a national election. Yeah, No Labels are not remotely “centrist”; they’re a stealth right-wing organization deliberately acting as a spoiler for the Democrats via unsubtle bothsidesism. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2023, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/139 "2023-07-24T15:00:38Z")
That may be overstating things, but there certainly seems to be more there than meets the eye: [No Labels - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Labels) ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2023, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/140 "2023-07-24T15:09:05Z")
They won’t disclose who the donors are. No Labels is more like No Receipts. I heard a report that one of the donors is Clarence Thomas’ benefactor Harlan “Jim” Crow. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384.md?page=8)