# President Joe Biden and the runup to the 2024 election **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 15, 2021, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384 "2021-11-15T14:54:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 79
**Author:** ![chela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chela/32/21582_2.png) [@chela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chela)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2024, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/1573 "2024-06-29T16:51:31Z")
Also canceled my NYT subscription today and told them why and threw 👢👞👟👠 at them in my message. ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2024, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/1574 "2024-06-29T17:22:16Z")
Good on you! ---
**Author:** ![TeroSunbear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terosunbear/32/14748_2.png) [@TeroSunbear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TeroSunbear)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2024, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/1575 "2024-06-29T18:05:05Z")
Biden will not quit. For one, it looks bad for the party. It’s as if they lost to Trump already. A new candidate or even Harris would have a hard time getting anywhere in a few months. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2024, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/1576 "2024-06-29T20:19:45Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Nope, there will be a couple more debates. We shall see, Why would Trump agree to more debates? (ETA: or show up at the one he _has_ agreed to?) He got more video clips out of this one than he can possibly use. He doesn’t need more. > [@Dr.Drake](#): > > Logically, each candidate should be assessed on their merits, but logically, this race is no contest—Biden is clearly superior to Trump. **It’s not the people who are assessing the race logically who need to be persuaded.** ^This (my bolding). Even before the debate, this race was going to be close. Every vote matters, and a lot of those votes belong to people who rarely pay much attention to politics or to the news in general. They won’t be watching the news. But on whatever they do watch, online or on television, they are going to see endless clips of Joe being unable to finish his sentences–standing there with his mouth open–saying “we finally beat Medicare.” They will see those clips over and over and over again. They won’t hear any of the arguments and excuses (‘he had a cold!’) we’re using to comfort ourselves. They will hear only a very old guy stumbling and trailing off; they will see only a very old guy standing there with his head down or gazing off somewhere with a slack mouth. Or as DSeid put it: > [@DSeid](#): > > The election of course comes down to a relative handful of relatively lower information voters in a small handful of states. Maybe, possibly probably, most of them didn’t even watch last night. He’s put himself in a deep hole now but the lower information voters won’t really be paying attention for a while yet. > > I appreciate that Biden buys into the personal mythology of getting back up after being knocked down. I was taught that too. But he was not knocked down; he threw himself onto the canvas boxing an idiot. The ‘I’LL FIGHT TO THE LAST’ attitude works in some situations. But this isn’t about fighting voters–it’s about convincing voters. And the ones who are most important to convince, won’t hear any of Biden’s speeches. They’re not that interested. The impression they take away from June 27 and from all the clips of it they’ll be seeing in the next 4+ months is what they will have. What on earth could Joe do, given his current physical state, which would change it? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2024, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/1577 "2024-06-29T20:20:41Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > Why would Trump agree to more debates? He already agreed to it. September 10th on ABC. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2024, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/1578 "2024-06-29T20:21:37Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > > [@Sherrerd](#): > > > > Why would Trump agree to more debates? > > He already agreed to it. September 10th on ABC. . And your theory here is that Trump is a man of his word? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2024, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/1579 "2024-06-29T20:22:40Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > And your theory here is that Trump is a man of his word? My theory is that he loves standing in front of a camera and being on TV and having people look at him. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2024, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/1580 "2024-06-29T20:26:01Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > My theory is that he loves standing in front of a camera and being on TV and having people look at him. . And there’s no way he could get that other than by giving Biden a chance to perform better than he did June 27–thereby making all the headlines about Biden rather than about Trump? ---
**Author:** ![TeroSunbear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terosunbear/32/14748_2.png) [@TeroSunbear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TeroSunbear)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2024, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/1581 "2024-06-29T20:28:39Z")
Biden has nothing to gain. The “debate” is not a debate if Trump is involved. Here is Trump looming behind Hillary on stage: [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/V_F_OSBAP8w/hqdefault.jpg "Hillary Clinton: 'My skin crawled' in Trump debate - BBC News") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_F_OSBAP8w) ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2024, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/1582 "2024-06-29T20:58:22Z")
Posted this also in the “Stop Panicking!” thread: At least one conservative group is prepared to go to court to keep a Biden replacement off the general election ballot in some states. > **[Heritage Foundation working on election legal challenges in case Biden pulled...](https://www.foxnews.com/politics/heritage-working-election-legal-challenges-case-biden-pulled-from-dnc-nomination.amp)** > > The Heritage Foundation, a major conservative activist organization, is prepared to start legal battles in multiple swing states if Democrats try to swap Biden out of the party nomination. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2024, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/1583 "2024-06-29T21:59:04Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > Why would Trump agree to more debates? Because he’s an attention whore who’s bloated on the praise he’s getting for the first and an arrogant asshole who can’t fathom Sleepy Joe ever improving. Why would he pass up more opportunities to kick Biden’s ass again and get more fawning press? ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2024, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/1584 "2024-06-29T22:05:26Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > …Why would he pass up more opportunities to kick Biden’s ass again and get more fawning press? I think I’ve said this already, but: because Trump knows that if Biden improves even a little bit in a second debate, ALL the headlines would be about Biden. NOT about Donald’s Glorious Self. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2024, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/1585 "2024-06-29T22:06:01Z")
And I don’t think that Trump would ever consider that a possibility. That’s loser talk. If Biden is as old and feeble as he keeps saying, why would he get any better? ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2024, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/1586 "2024-06-29T22:17:39Z")
I don’t think you’re wrong about Donald’s thought processes. But someone in his circle will likely suggest the possibility to him. And ‘getting all the headlines’ is SO important to him that he might err on the side of ‘maybe skip a chance to be on-camera in case…’ ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2024, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/1587 "2024-06-30T00:34:21Z")
If it’s put to him by trusted aides as “Your odds of being reelected go up significantly if you find an excuse to not debate again, sir,” then I think he’d skip the next one - naturally while insulting Biden as pathetic, _already_ badly beaten and simply not worth his time. ---
**Author:** ![TeroSunbear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terosunbear/32/14748_2.png) [@TeroSunbear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TeroSunbear)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2024, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/1588 "2024-06-30T19:12:18Z")
I think there is a conspiracy theory ready for analyzing. CNN fails to moderate so that Biden fails. Then they can run a dozen anti Biden stories. CNN now running Trump claim… > **[The reason why NATO and Europe found Biden’s debate performance so alarming |...](https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/30/world/nato-europe-biden-debate-performance-alarming-intl/index.html)** > > Joe Biden’s performance at the CNN presidential debate against Donald Trump has raised concerns with US allies - particularly within NATO and Europe. …that senile Biden will start WW III ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2024, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/1589 "2024-06-30T19:29:42Z")
Well that’s just ridiculous. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2024, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/1590 "2024-06-30T19:30:11Z")
> [@TeroSunbear](#): > > …that senile Biden will start WW III Truly ridiculous. Biden can’t start a war by himself. Nor could Trump, for that matter—but Biden is surrounded by people with integrity, whereas Trump will surround himself with people who’d do anything for a buck (or who are currently being blackmailed by Vlad, who has evidence of their…proclivities. Including, most likely, Donald himself). ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2024, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/1591 "2024-06-30T19:33:56Z")
NATO countries have a good reason to be concerned about that debate. The concern of a Trump return. They are quite aware that Trump is no friend to NATO, and quite a dear friend to Putin. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2024, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/1592 "2024-06-30T19:45:03Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > NATO countries have a good reason to be concerned about that debate. The concern of a Trump return. I agree. It’s obvious to many that an actual, bona fide miracle would be necessary to avoid Trump if Biden remains the Dem candidate. And Trump getting back into power would be genuinely catastrophic for much of Europe. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384.md?page=78) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384.md?page=80)