# President Joe Biden and the runup to the 2024 election **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 15, 2021, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384 "2021-11-15T14:54:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2023, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/161 "2023-08-01T19:15:31Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > But those are exactly the powers that Trump et al. will use to implement their policies. Putting people into positions of authority over the various government departments, who will not hesitate to make sweeping changes in exactly the way Trump wants them made, and tell anyone who objects to sue them. Exactly – which is why I’m worried. I’d like to see this writer revisit the topic today, to examine whether or not Biden is pulling all the levers he possibly can. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2023, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/162 "2023-08-07T14:18:11Z")
[Minnesota Democratic Rep Dean Phillips thinks that Biden needs a “well-positioned primary challenger.”](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/democrat-dean-phillips-calls-positioned-primary-challenger-biden/story?id=102058270) If it was an ordinary election against an “ordinary” GOP challenger he might be right, but now he’s quite wrong IMHO. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2023, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/163 "2023-08-07T20:51:09Z")
Harkening back to Harris … this is my major beef with Biden: I disliked her as a candidate but feel she would be a fine president; Biden however has failed to give her the opportunity to demonstrate such. This will hurt his re-election. He should be placing her at least as prominently as Obama did him, and possibly more as functionally near co-president, focused on issues as far away from culture wars as possible. Voters need to feel that she could be more than able to step in and deal with a collapsing Russia, an aggressive China, and an economy that does not feel fully re- emerged stronger than ever. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2023, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/164 "2023-08-07T20:56:25Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > He should be placing her at least as prominently as Obama did him, and possibly more as functionally near co-president, focused on issues as far away from culture wars as possible. This might make you feel better. (Gift link) > **[Kamala Harris Takes on a Forceful New Role in the 2024 Campaign (Published 2023)](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/06/us/politics/kamala-harris-prosecutor.html?unlocked_article_code=lLOL01tdw0qahJjfDEF66O_rOWwN5mlDKQhJrfwG1xD8KQid49kjDdyEZFgvx049gXfjBXU3W7ew_BW7X3ogxKiOsMbcIIRkx7RibXZQz4XvUAO4CXtAaKTVHD-Fsyza9Ua-pduxd-7Hyo3PRomnG2_mISx-2OjpmTnGdjeU3tdhfL7tnTg360ih2AP4UnlgxWD04qgqq5s5FBqayVpx5VPo3g9Ed7gA-XJ9G04fyL645vStC4SQsLOxhJfbzRQ0nt--bW_s7hgQyIS_T0mdt-UShaGbrA5FHoy_VETCysZIWcPb5gRO46qnf3wplbFIxKdtgWeG244SBNJpi0J9s2hBhyjk1Sk&smid=url-share)** > > The vice president is trying to reclaim the momentum that propelled her to Joseph R. Biden Jr.’s side as a candidate and into the White House in 2020. I’m not sure why the link won’t preview properly. They always have before. In any case, the gist is that Harris is expanding her profile on the national stage. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2023, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/165 "2023-08-07T21:12:35Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > I’m not sure why the link won’t preview properly. They always have before. It’s a 403 error code. The NYT web site is denying Discourse’s request for the preview. That _is_ pretty weird. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2023, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/166 "2023-08-07T21:13:32Z")
Let’s hope it’s a temporary glitch. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2023, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/167 "2023-08-07T22:07:20Z")
Actually it does not. I don’t think her on the campaign trail is what the voting public needs. They needed having her involved in governing. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2023, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/168 "2023-09-07T19:16:11Z")
Early days yet, but still… ugh. > **[Biden's unpopularity could give Trump his shot at reclaiming power | CNN...](https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/07/politics/joe-biden-2024-reelection-donald-trump/index.html)** > > The devastating verdict voters deliver on President Joe Biden in a new CNN poll is especially stark ahead of the most unprecedented election in modern times. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2023, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/169 "2023-09-07T19:27:32Z")
That’s the poll CNN just released that polled almost 60% Republicans? > Really, CNN, you should be ashamed of yourselves… ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2023, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/170 "2023-09-07T19:40:24Z")
OK, thanks. I feel better now! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![FlikTheBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fliktheblue/32/10972_2.png) [@FlikTheBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlikTheBlue)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2023, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/171 "2023-09-07T19:50:30Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Early days yet, but still… ugh. I think “job approval” polls are useless in that they don’t distinguish the reasons why someone disapproves. It could very well be that some of the people who “disapprove” do so because of the things Biden hasn’t been able to accomplish due to Republican opposition. They might have no intention of doing anything other than voting Biden in '24, but still express disapproval when asked about whether or not they think Biden is doing a good job. ---
**Author:** ![TeroSunbear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terosunbear/32/14748_2.png) [@TeroSunbear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TeroSunbear)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2023, 11:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/172 "2023-09-08T11:56:48Z")
“he’s too old to run again”–\> let me vote for job disapproval so he won’t run. That sort of thinking. Same with the who would you vote for polls. It’s Ok to have disapproval for the president, but don’t punish him in the the polls if you will in fact vote for him anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2023, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/173 "2023-09-08T13:03:13Z")
I can’t see the image on my computer-can you describe? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2023, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/174 "2023-09-08T13:07:27Z")
It’s the text of the CNN press release, with the following sentence highlighted: > [@](#): > > Surveys were obtained August 25-31 2023 with a representative sample of n=1,503 respondents, including an oversample of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents to reach a total of 898 Republicans and Republican-leaning independents. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2023, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/175 "2023-09-08T13:09:21Z")
Thank you! ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2023, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/176 "2023-09-08T21:16:40Z")
Oversampling to the right may not be entirely inappropriate, for two reasons. In an iffy election, where the nation is all grumbly, there seems to be a tendency for the out-party voters to show up more, _goddammit_. And by making Joe the President’s situation look unfavorable, it can help to boot his supporters (or the opposiion-haters) out of their “this is fine” coffee cup complacency. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2023, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/177 "2023-09-08T22:32:40Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Really, CNN, you should be ashamed of yourselves… I hope you don’t think they have some political bias. This is from the respected non-partisan Pew polling organization: [All good polling relies on statistical adjustment called “weighting” to make sure that samples align with the broader population on key characteristics.](https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2020/08/05/key-things-to-know-about-election-polling-in-the-united-states/) Do all good polls weight by the known percent of registered Republicans, Democrats, and independents? No, some only weight by demographic characteristics. But either way is legitimate if the organization is transparent, as explained in my link. Weighting isn’t the same as obtaining a larger sample from a subgroup, but both have advantages. The thing to do is to average many public polls, while ignoring those that are candidate-sponsored, Public political polls, taken collectively, are the closest thing we have to umpires telling us how a race is progressing. They are imperfect but much better than wishful thinking or catastrophizing. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2023, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/178 "2023-09-09T01:40:22Z")
FWIW the finer print in the [actual cross tabs:](https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23940784-cnn-poll) > [@](#): > > Among the en=re sample, 32% described themselves as Democrats, 32% described themselves as Republicans, and 35% described themselves as independents or members of another party. The en=re sample was weighted to reflect na=onal Census figures for gender, race, age, educa=on, region of country, popula=on density, civic engagement, and Pew Research Center’s NPORS figures for religious affilia=on and frequency of internet use. Demographics within party iden=fica=on and the accurate propor=on of the Republican oversample were weighted based on prior CNN benchmarking within the overall popula=on. The sample was weighted for self-reported voter registra=on, 2020 recalled vote, party iden=fica=on in detail (leaners broken out) and collapsed crossed by self-reported poli=cal ideology, self-reported voter registra=on, race by educa=on, sex, age, region. The benchmarks for voter registra=on, 2020 recalled vote and the party iden=fica=on crosses were taken from CNN’s na=onal poll conducted by SSRS via web and phone from July 1-31, 2023, which implemented a full probability design via Address-Based Sampling (ABS). Page 23 Apologies for the way words copied weird. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2023, 10:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/179 "2023-09-09T10:57:28Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > In an iffy election, where the nation is all grumbly, This seems to cover most of American history. We are a Grumbly Nation. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2023, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384/180 "2023-09-09T16:02:31Z")
In 1984 we re-elected a [expletives deleted] because the economic indicators looked good and the people felt optimistic. Somehow, since then, the Rs have successfully conned a large fraction of the country that they are more savvy on economic issues. If the people feel pessimistic about the economy, there will be a guard-changing. And all indicators seem to point to some serious suckiness in '24. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-joe-biden-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/954384.md?page=10)