# President Trump and President Grover Cleveland? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 7, 2020, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-trump-and-president-grover-cleveland/925012 "2020-11-07T22:42:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2020, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-trump-and-president-grover-cleveland/925012/21 "2020-11-09T16:51:58Z")
> [@Wheelz](#): > > I think after doing enough half-million dollar speaking engagements he’ll realize that being an ex-president is more lucrative and less stressful than being president. But I think Trump’s primary goal is getting attention. His favorite thing about being President is going to rallies and having people yelling his name. He like having people salute him and stand up when he enters the room. He likes how anything he says gets reported on the evening news. He’s losing all of that. For the rest of his life, he will never get the amount of attention he has received in the last four years. And he is going to hate it. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2020, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-trump-and-president-grover-cleveland/925012/22 "2020-11-09T16:59:05Z")
I’ve heard that he might still start the media empire that he wanted to start in 2016. Perhaps he’ll team up with One America News Network or Sinclair Broadcasting or, less likely, Fox News. Certainly he doesn’t have the resources to do this on his own. ---
**Author:** ![Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/do_not_taunt/32/2968_2.png) [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Do_Not_Taunt)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2020, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-trump-and-president-grover-cleveland/925012/23 "2020-11-09T17:27:35Z")
> [@Ukulele\_Ike1](#): > > I’d rather see a 78 year old Trump run in 2024 and go down in flames again than open the field to a younger, smarter authoritarian prick like Cruise or Cotton. Like the previous poster, I assume Cruise means Ted Cruz? If so, I wouldn’t worry about either of these guys. Cruz is widely hated, almost lost in Texas, and does have the weakling/loser tag at this point. Cotton is a moron. If you want to fear a sitting Senator in that vein, fear Hawley. He’s evil, but actually seems reasonably intelligent. ---
**Author:** ![Lantern2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lantern2/32/3010_2.png) [@Lantern2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lantern2)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2020, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-trump-and-president-grover-cleveland/925012/24 "2020-11-09T19:46:17Z")
I think if Trump wanted the 2024 nomination he would be a strong contender. This election was close and many Republicans will believe him that he was robbed. However on balance I don’t think Trump will try. He will have his hands full with assorted investigations and on the plus side he will have a shot at becoming a right-wing media mogul. I doubt he will want to subject himself to another grinding primary and possible general election at his age. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2020, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-trump-and-president-grover-cleveland/925012/25 "2020-11-10T17:47:26Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > > [@Wheelz](#): > > > > I think after doing enough half-million dollar speaking engagements he’ll realize that being an ex-president is more lucrative and less stressful than being president. > > But I think Trump’s primary goal is getting attention. His favorite thing about being President is going to rallies and having people yelling his name. He like having people salute him and stand up when he enters the room. He likes how anything he says gets reported on the evening news. > > He’s losing all of that. For the rest of his life, he will never get the amount of attention he has received in the last four years. And he is going to hate it. 'twouldn’t shock me if he ordered the security guards at Mar-A-Lago to start dressing in pseudo-military uniforms and salute him. Fortunately, the Secret Service agents stuck with Trump will be wearing sunglasses so their eye-rolling won’t be obvious. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2020, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-trump-and-president-grover-cleveland/925012/26 "2020-11-10T17:57:38Z")
> [@Wheelz](#): > > I think after doing enough half-million dollar speaking engagements he’ll realize that being an ex-president is more lucrative and less stressful than being president. Latest news is that he is creating a PAC that can take in unlimited $5,000 donations. It’s so he can support candidates of his choosing, who deserve a chance to make America great… . . . . . .hahahahahahahahahahaha! Oh, my. . . . . .hahahahahaha! It is, of course, so he has a slush fund to fuel his jet to fly to his golf courses for “political conferences” Trump does nothing for the benefit of anyone but himself. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2020, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-trump-and-president-grover-cleveland/925012/27 "2020-11-10T20:23:56Z")
I wouldn’t bet on him having too many golf courses after this all shakes down. Too many creditors and no legal protection from being Prez. Those suckers are going to get foreclosed on in a heartbeat, especially the Scottish ones. ---
**Author:** ![Treppenwitz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/treppenwitz/32/3445_2.png) [@Treppenwitz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Treppenwitz)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2020, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-trump-and-president-grover-cleveland/925012/28 "2020-11-10T20:45:33Z")
I’m British and not overly familiar with US politics, so this may be a very dumb question, but I was pondering 2024 today and this thought occurred to me: Trump doesn’t have to run as a Republican, does he? Suppose he took the position that, if the Republicans didn’t select him, he would run as an independent. That would presumably have the potential to at least split the Republican vote - in which case would they decide they were better off with him inside the tent pissing out, instead of outside the tent pissing in?\* j (\*) - but not _completely_ ignorant of US politics ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2020, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-trump-and-president-grover-cleveland/925012/29 "2020-11-10T21:47:36Z")
> [@panache45](#): > > Suppose he took the position that, if the Republicans didn’t select him, he would run as an independent. That would presumably have the potential to at least split the Republican vote - in which case would they decide they were better off with him inside the tent pissing out, instead of outside the tent pissing in? Might work. Re the word they: “They” is the GOP primary voters. Trump’s nomination proved that party leaders, in the U.S., are powerless in this matter. ---
**Author:** ![Treppenwitz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/treppenwitz/32/3445_2.png) [@Treppenwitz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Treppenwitz)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2020, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-trump-and-president-grover-cleveland/925012/30 "2020-11-10T22:01:02Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > Re the word they: > > “They” is the GOP primary voters. Trump’s nomination proved that party leaders, in the U.S., are powerless in this matter. OK, key US-UK difference that I did know of but didn’t think through - thanks. Am I right in understanding that this means that anyone can stand for GOP (or Dem) nomination without consulting (or even notifying?) party leaders? j PS: from where I’m sitting, I appear (in your post) to have morphed into panache45. How odd. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2020, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-trump-and-president-grover-cleveland/925012/31 "2020-11-10T22:06:01Z")
Could be. He can pardon himself and all of his evil spawn from any federal charges, but not from state or civil suits. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2020, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-trump-and-president-grover-cleveland/925012/32 "2020-11-10T22:09:45Z")
Yeah, if he wants to run, and he’s still cogent and healthy enough to run, he can run as a Republican again. I don’t believe his health will hold up. He’s old, obese, and in poor condition. He’s also probably heading down the alzheimer’s slope. I just don’t see him being up to it in 4 years. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2020, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-trump-and-president-grover-cleveland/925012/33 "2020-11-11T00:06:12Z")
> [@Treppenwitz](#): > > Am I right in understanding that this means that anyone can stand for GOP (or Dem) nomination without consulting (or even notifying?) party leaders? Correct. Ballot access requirements [are here.](https://ballotpedia.org/Ballot_access_for_presidential_candidates) There is nothing like the British Labour requirement to gain support from 35 (if that is still the right number) MP’s in order to participate in a closed primary. Instead, here you need to pay a fee and submit a certain number of [nominating petition signatures.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nominating_petition) Many Americans will sign any such petition on grounds of allowing maximum choice. > [@Treppenwitz](#): > > PS: from where I’m sitting, I appear (in your post) to have morphed into panache45. How odd. Apologies for that. ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2020, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-trump-and-president-grover-cleveland/925012/34 "2020-11-11T01:53:25Z")
Just tell him that you can’t be elected president more than twice and that, therefore, running in 2024 would constitute an admission that he lost in 2020. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2020, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-trump-and-president-grover-cleveland/925012/35 "2020-11-11T02:47:43Z")
> [@Two\_Many\_Cats2](#): > > It’s hard to run for president from prison. It’s been done [before](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_V._Debs#Presidential_elections). ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2020, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-trump-and-president-grover-cleveland/925012/36 "2020-11-11T03:30:15Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > Yeah, if he wants to run, and he’s still cogent and healthy enough to run, he can run as a Republican again. I don’t believe his health will hold up. Even if it does hold up, he might prefer to pass on the hard work of autocratic consolidation to one of his children. Ivanka’s supposed to be his favorite, but I think Trump Jr. would, as a Christian, have a better chance. DJT might agree with me on that. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2020, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-trump-and-president-grover-cleveland/925012/37 "2020-11-11T21:36:51Z")
A little insight into Trump’s relationship with his children. Donald Trump has always been adamant about not letting people call him Donny. He said Donny is a child’s name and nobody would ever have respect for a man who let other people call him by a child’s name like Donny. He ordered people to call him Donald. Trump calls his son Donny. ---
**Author:** ![Two\_Many\_Cats2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/779978/32.png) [@Two\_Many\_Cats2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Two_Many_Cats2)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2020, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-trump-and-president-grover-cleveland/925012/38 "2020-11-13T18:27:54Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > He ordered people to call him Donald. I’d rather call him Fat Bastard, but that name has already been taken by Governor Pritzker. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Winston\_OBoogie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.winston_oboogie/32/2945_2.png) [@Dr.Winston\_OBoogie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Winston_OBoogie)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2020, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-trump-and-president-grover-cleveland/925012/39 "2020-11-13T18:59:55Z")
I think Trump is going to take a page from another one-term president, and put all of his energy into a charity and into election monitoring. Now, before you all keel over in laughter, no, I don’t expect him to start working with Habitat for Humanity (that image is pretty damned funny!). No, Trump is going to create his own charity - a bigly charity. Again, I know what your first objection is - he isn’t allowed to. I believe he isn’t allowed to run a charity in New York, and he doesn’t live in New York anyway, so his new charity will be based in Florida. Every donation you make to the Donald Trump Keep Elections Fair goes to pay for a Trump family member to monitor elections in places known for chicanery, like Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, or to help pay for lawsuits on voting fraud, real or imagined.\* \*please note that the first \*50,000 of any donation goes to help pay down business losses by the Trump Family; the next $50,000 pays for salaries within the organization, and anything left after that will mostly go towards 5-star hotel rooms and lawyers fees (Rudy’s got to get his piece). ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2020, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-trump-and-president-grover-cleveland/925012/40 "2020-11-18T01:28:27Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > I’ve heard that he might still start the media empire that he wanted to start in 2016. I hope he does. I’d love to see Trump go bankrupt again. Everything he touches turns to shit. A “media empire” will last about 18 months, or less if the insiders loot the place first, or indictments come down for the criminal staff. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-trump-and-president-grover-cleveland/925012.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-trump-and-president-grover-cleveland/925012.md?page=3)