# President Trump and President Grover Cleveland? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 7, 2020, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-trump-and-president-grover-cleveland/925012 "2020-11-07T22:42:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2020, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-trump-and-president-grover-cleveland/925012/41 "2020-11-18T01:29:55Z")
Bankruptcy would be nice, but he’s not foolish enough to risk his own money. If he does the media empire thing, he’ll rely on outside investors. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2020, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-trump-and-president-grover-cleveland/925012/42 "2020-11-18T17:12:19Z")
I think those who are thinking that he will be in prison or destitute are deluding themselves. Even if he deserves it, prosecuting an ex-president with a large political following is hard to do without looking like its politically motivated and sparking civil unrest. At the very worst he will be sentenced to a few years of house arrest, and probably be out by 2024. As far as his finances go he will probably find a way to consolidate his debts into a number of properties that he will foreclose via bankruptcy while shielding a portion of his assets. His real estate empire will dramatically shrink but he’ll still be able to maintain a comfortable lifestyle. Meanwhile he is going to capitalize on his role of poltical gadfly. We may all be tired of the Trump theater, but his followers are addicted. His rallies weren’t so much about the politics as about identity and the ability to hang out with like minded folk. I suspect he will continue to hold rallies as president in exile, and attract a group of Trumpheads who will follow him from rally to rally. As things stand, I think that if he is healthy enough he will run in 2024, and give him about even odds of winning the nomination, and failing that will run as a third party (after taking an oath not to do so). But a lot can change in 4 years and who knows what the future will bring. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2020, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-trump-and-president-grover-cleveland/925012/43 "2020-11-18T17:25:26Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > I think those who are thinking that he will be in prison or destitute are deluding themselves. But by prosecuting him, we can force him to spend down his fortune on lawyers. Ideally, he ends up both destitute _and_ in prison. FYI, the [feature story](https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/17/magazine/trump-investigations-criminal-prosecutions.html) in The New York Times Magazine (paywall warning) is about whether he can be prosecuted and if he’s not, what that says about the rule of law in this country. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2020, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-trump-and-president-grover-cleveland/925012/44 "2020-11-18T18:01:50Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > and if he’s not, what that says about the rule of law in this country. It says that well connected rich white guys can get away with pretty much anything they want. In other words, it says nothing we didn’t already know. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2024, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-trump-and-president-grover-cleveland/925012/45 "2024-12-09T23:54:00Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > He won’t run again. > [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > Establishment Republicans were caught flatfooted once; they won’t do so again. The next president won’t be Tucker Carlson either. > [@panache45](#): > > Trump would never win against Kamala Harris. > [@dalej42](#): > > times have changed. General election losers don’t get a second chance these days. > [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > For the rest of his life, he will never get the amount of attention he has received in the last four years. > [@puzzlegal](#): > > I just don’t see him being up to it in 4 years. Just giving this thread the customary single bump. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2024, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-trump-and-president-grover-cleveland/925012/46 "2024-12-10T00:03:23Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > with a statue of him as Superman on top Hey, I got this right, sorta. Some, among many more. > **[Superman Trump LARGE Blue/gray Donald Trump Teeshirt #114 | eBay](https://www.ebay.com/itm/274734928657)** > > Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Superman Trump LARGE Blue/gray Donald Trump Teeshirt #114 at the best online prices at eBay! Free shipping for many products! > **[Superman Donald Trump Mug Shot Pose Poster by Teo Alfonso](https://fineartamerica.com/featured/superman-donald-trump-mug-shot-pose-teo-alfonso.html?product=poster)** > > Purchase a poster of the painting "Superman Donald Trump Mug Shot Pose" by Teo Alfonso. All posters are professionally printed, packaged, and shipped within 3 - 4 business days. Choose from multiple sizes and hundreds of frame and mat options. > **[Donald Trump (2024) Digital Art (Giclée) by BAST](https://www.artfinder.com/product/donald-trump-8aaf7/)** > > Donald Trump. > > The assassination attempt on former US President and presidential candidate Donald Trump occurred on July 13, 2024 as a result of a shooting at a rally in Butler (Pennsylvania) as par... I also said in another thread that Trump’s pose after the assassination attempt was worth 10 points in the polls. Otherwise… not so good. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2024, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-trump-and-president-grover-cleveland/925012/47 "2024-12-10T00:12:36Z")
Fair enough. I was wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2024, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-trump-and-president-grover-cleveland/925012/48 "2024-12-10T03:38:29Z")
You missed the money shot with me. My prediction which you quoted turned out to be correct; that was the one where I predicted Trump would run again because he would miss all the attention he got while being President. The prediction I got wrong was the one you didn’t quote; that was the one where I said he wouldn’t get nominated. And I will concede that meant I was also predicting he wouldn’t win the election. What can I say? Trump voters are stupider than I gave them credit for. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2024, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-trump-and-president-grover-cleveland/925012/49 "2024-12-10T04:00:27Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > Even if it does hold up, he might prefer to pass on the hard work of autocratic consolidation to one of his children. Ivanka’s supposed to be his favorite, but I think Trump Jr. would, as a Christian, have a better chance. DJT might agree with me on that. I worded that tentatively, so I could say I wasn’t totally wrong. But I was wrong not only in the year of the pass off to the next generation, but also, probably, on the [favored relative](https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-political-dynasty-lara-rnc-republican-party-gop-1980572). ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2024, 7:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-trump-and-president-grover-cleveland/925012/50 "2024-12-10T07:10:41Z")
I miss Panache45. Does/did anyone here know him IRL, and what happened to him? ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2024, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-trump-and-president-grover-cleveland/925012/51 "2024-12-10T21:35:30Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > As for the Cleveland comparison: it’s true Trump will be 78 and dealing with legal troubles. But his fans will remain numerous. Who else gives them that good ol’ white-supremacy-with-plausible-deniability? > > If his numbers are good enough, the GOP will fall in line. This held up pretty well. (Not so much a couple of other sentences I posted, though.) ---
**Author:** ![We\_re\_wolves\_not\_werewolves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@We\_re\_wolves\_not\_werewolves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/We_re_wolves_not_werewolves)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2024, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-trump-and-president-grover-cleveland/925012/52 "2024-12-10T21:41:59Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > As things stand, I think that if he is healthy enough he will run in 2024, and give him about even odds of winning the nomination, this was remarkably prescient. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2024, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-trump-and-president-grover-cleveland/925012/53 "2024-12-10T21:58:54Z")
Except for the “healthy enough”. I suspect that he is not. And to be honest, he seems to get a pass on proving his health that other candidates and presidents do not. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/president-trump-and-president-grover-cleveland/925012.md?page=2)